Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[80shockeywasbuns]

I’d deal Kakko in a Zegras deal. Rather deal him than a 1st round pick.

That’s an insane take for what will be a dookie late round first. When did Kakko go from being a dirt cheap solid middle six player whos disappointing for his draft slot to a guy who’s so bad he should be moved at all costs. The Kakko hate boners just keep growing

 

[NYR Viper]

I’d offer Kakko and Miller at most

This is the price I fear

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

If this list ends up being accurate this team is in great shape because Cuylle is already a very good NHL player. I have him third on the list at worst, probably second.

Top 5 are all LW lmao.

Amazing vision from this organization.

We're literally so crowded at LW that out #1 overall pick is being forced to play a different position.

 

[McRanger92]

Top 5 are all LW lmao.

Amazing vision from this organization.

We're literally so crowded at LW that out #1 overall pick is being forced to play a different position.

Laf has been better on the RW than he ever has on the left side

 

[NYR Viper]

Top 5 are all LW lmao.

Amazing vision from this organization.

We're literally so crowded at LW that out #1 overall pick is being forced to play a different position.

Panarin has 2 years left after this one. Kreider could be traded, theoretically, this off-season. Othmann and Berard have played some RW in Hartford.

 

[GAGLine]

What does a Zegras deal look like?

What does Zegras on this team look like? Is he playing 3rd line center?

I’d offer Kakko and Miller at most

Who is replacing Miller?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

What does Zegras on this team look like? Is he playing 3rd line center?

Who is replacing Miller?

Zac Jones baybeee. Will actually increase the physicality on the team tbh

 

[Fitzy]

If Miller goes right back to being on track with where he left off in 2022-2023 next season a lot of you are going to be eating your takes in here.

 

[bernmeister]

I’d deal Kakko in a Zegras deal. Rather deal him than a 1st round pick.

no
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I’d offer Kakko and Miller at most

no

 

[AirGut]

Cuylle-Zegras-Othmann could be a lethal 3rd line. Too bad Zegras is injured.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Zegras is the only center in this core of 4-5 forwards. Unless they're changing hockey to three on three or using figure skating judges to score goals (9.5 for a triple axel Michigan), having Trevor Zegas as your first line center isn't it for an F core.

Trocheck is still around.

 

[pld459666]

I’d deal Kakko in a Zegras deal. Rather deal him than a 1st round pick.

For Zegras, you are going to pay both and then some.

 

[bbny]

Panarin-Zegras-Lafreniere
Kreider-Zibanejad-Othmann
Cuylle-Trocheck-Kakko/Berard/(Chytil?)

is a good looking lineup for the next couple of seasons. Zegras for all his short comings defensively at a young age, would be a major add at the center position for this franchise. Forget the “Michigan hype”. I couldn’t care any less about that. He’s got two 60 point seasons. He’s 23. If he’s available you go and get him, within reason on the price.

 

[dshea19]

Maybe you’ll get your wish if they get bounced in the first again which seems very likely.


Really? Because in the NFL it’s the same 4 or 5 teams that are good every year.


If they did we’d have fans coping and saying “they’re just saving it for the playoffs/they’re already locked into x seed so I’m not worried”

We saw how well that played out last year.

Correct. Playing “meh” just means bad habits and laziness, but not to the point of it going beyond mediocre. They need to hit the playoffs running on all cylinders.

 

[Tob]

Lol who was it that came up with k'marshmellow lmfao

 

[IDvsEGO]

Panarin-Zegras-Lafreniere
Kreider-Zibanejad-Othmann
Cuylle-Trocheck-Kakko/Berard/(Chytil?)

is a good looking lineup for the next couple of seasons. Zegras for all his short comings defensively at a young age, would be a major add at the center position for this franchise. Forget the “Michigan hype”. I couldn’t care any less about that. He’s got two 60 point seasons. He’s 23. If he’s available you go and get him, within reason on the price.

The gap between kakko's offense and zegras's offense is much smaller than you'd think, and the gap between kakko's defense and zegras's defense is much larger than you'd think.

Last year zegras put up 19g + 29a at 5v5 for 48 points at even strength while getting 15:59 per game at ES

Last year Kakko put up 18g +19a at 5v5 for 37 points at even strength while getting 13:59 per game.

You want to say zegras had a 60 point season, but that's not the season he'd have on the rangers buried on pp2.

 

[SA16]

The gap between kakko's offense and zegras's offense is much smaller than you'd think, and the gap between kakko's defense and zegras's defense is much larger than you'd think.

Last year zegras put up 19g + 29a at 5v5 for 48 points at even strength while getting 15:59 per game at ES

Last year Kakko put up 18g +19a at 5v5 for 37 points at even strength while getting 13:59 per game.

You want to say zegras had a 60 point season, but that's not the season he'd have on the rangers buried on pp2.

Zegras: 2.07 5v5 pts/60 since his NHL Debut
Kakko: 1.49 5v5 pts/60 in that same time frame (2020+)

That is not a small gap in offense. Zegras has scored 2+ pts/60 3 times (twice in full seasons, once in 24 games). Kakkos best is 1.73.

I'm also incredibly confused by the numbers you're presenting. First you're saying 5v5. Then you're saying even strength. Then you're using even strength stats instead of 5v5 stats.

This is like the pre-draft when people convinced themselves they wanted Kakko over Hughes. We don't need to lie about the numbers or stare at small samples to pretend they are close. Defensively, yes, Zegras has been really bad and it's a big difference.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

What does Zegras on this team look like? Is he playing 3rd line center?

For now, it doesn't matter. He's highly talented, he's one of the more skilled players in the league, still in his early 20's, plays an organizational position of need. All the other things can be worked out. Defensive game, role, so on.

If the opportunity presents itself to add a player like this, you can't balk at it because of trivial things. They can figure out how to make it work.

Also, Trocheck started out on the 3rd line, it was the Chytil injury that prompted him to move up the lineup. Also, not suggesting Trocheck suddenly take a backseat, but having 3 legitimate threatening scoring lines makes this team that much better.

They could also decide to move him to wing in the top 6 moving Wheeler off the top 6. There's a lot of options.

I know the team needs size, but they have those guys they can use. Cyulle, Edstrom, Rempe...

I know it's a long shot, but if they can get Zegras they should, it would be a big addition for this team's long term.

 

[rangersfansince08]

I'd offer some combination of 1st, Kakko, Othman, Sykora, Berard for Zegras. Anything except Perreault

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

The gap between kakko's offense and zegras's offense is much smaller than you'd think, and the gap between kakko's defense and zegras's defense is much larger than you'd think.

Last year zegras put up 19g + 29a at 5v5 for 48 points at even strength while getting 15:59 per game at ES

Last year Kakko put up 18g +19a at 5v5 for 37 points at even strength while getting 13:59 per game.

You want to say zegras had a 60 point season, but that's not the season he'd have on the rangers buried on pp2.

Stop cappin

 

[GENESISPuck94]

That’s an insane take for what will be a dookie late round first. When did Kakko go from being a dirt cheap solid middle six player whos disappointing for his draft slot to a guy who’s so bad he should be moved at all costs. The Kakko hate boners just keep growing

I know its not directed at me but I wouldn't rush to trade Kakko, I still feel he's got the potential. But to get Zegras, who is a more impactful offensive player, if the Ducks were adamant about Kakko, then I'd make that deal. You instantly make the team more dangerous offensively. If the Rangers can get Zegras while keeping Laf, Perreault, and one of Othmann/Kakko that's a big win. Obviously Anaheim needs to get theirs too, I think one of Kakko/Othmann and a 1st is fair for an early 20s 60 point center.

I'd offer some combination of 1st, Kakko, Othman, Sykora, Berard for Zegras. Anything except Perreault

Yea, Perreault is where I'd draw the line. The only players I'd trade him for are never getting traded anyway.

 

[Alluckks]

What does Zegras on this team look like? Is he playing 3rd line center?

Who is replacing Miller?

Hanifin of course

 

[rangersfansince08]

I know its not directed at me but I wouldn't rush to trade Kakko, I still feel he's got the potential. But to get Zegras, who is a more impactful offensive player, if the Ducks were adamant about Kakko, then I'd make that deal. You instantly make the team more dangerous offensively. If the Rangers can get Zegras while keeping Laf, Perreault, and one of Othmann/Kakko that's a big win. Obviously Anaheim needs to get theirs too, I think one of Kakko/Othmann and a 1st is fair for an early 20s 60 point center.


Yea, Perreault is where I'd draw the line. The only players I'd trade him for are never getting traded anyway.

Yea Perreault is going to be really good , maybe even as good as Zegras or better.

Wonder if Sykora can be a 20-20 guy

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How about we don't add overrated one dimensional players?

I'd rather add Mittelstadt than Zegras and I dont even like the former that much.

 

[kovazub94]

The gap between kakko's offense and zegras's offense is much smaller than you'd think, and the gap between kakko's defense and zegras's defense is much larger than you'd think.

Last year zegras put up 19g + 29a at 5v5 for 48 points at even strength while getting 15:59 per game at ES

Last year Kakko put up 18g +19a at 5v5 for 37 points at even strength while getting 13:59 per game.

You want to say zegras had a 60 point season, but that's not the season he'd have on the rangers buried on pp2.

Compared to even as early as a month ago this is a lot more nuanced now especially going forward with uncertainty about Chytil’s future.

There’s a big group of fans of analytics here that say that the strength of teammates is a lot more important than the strength of competition. Both probably important but to various extent depending on other factors. There are a few questions that you you can ask yourself. Would Zegras do even better ES if he was playing with partners on the playoff bound team like NYR. Similarly would Kakko even with more ES ice time be able to improve his offensive contribution playing for Anaheim (even prior to this season he was notably not as impactful against opponents top lines)?
And the other question is about going forward - would it be more probable that Zegras be able to sufficiently improve his defensive game without losing (and actually maybe even gaining) some more offensively as he further matures and physically develops, or Kakko becomes as offensively apt as Zegras?

How about we don't add overrated one dimensional players?

I'd rather add Mittelstadt than Zegras and I dont even like the former that much.

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