Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[KirkAlbuquerque]

How about we don't add overrated one dimensional players?

I'd rather add Mittelstadt than Zegras and I dont even like the former that much.

Ew

 

[LORDE]

If Miller goes right back to being on track with where he left off in 2022-2023 next season a lot of you are going to be eating your takes in here.

Great If tho AMIRIGHT

 

[LORDE]

How about we don't add overrated one dimensional players?

I'd rather add Mittelstadt than Zegras and I dont even like the former that much.

How about we add skill instead of "responsible" players

Greedy players

Players who put the puck in the net instead of being concerned about our end.

It's enough already. If shesty & the D can't take care of shit then it won't matter anyway.

We need a DYNAMIC center. Young. If he's (Zegras) not it... cool but we need it so badly we could literally go back DECADES coveting it.

It's time to do something about it

 

[KOVALEV022473]

Do these f***ing Pejorative Slurs know how to hockey stop?

 

[mas0764]

Zegras or bust.

Laf, Zegras, Perreault one of Othmann/Kakko is a F core you can build around. You have Cyulle, Edstrom, Rempe for the tuffness.

Yeah I’d like to get Zegras for a first and change. Probably not realistic.

 

[bernmeister]

I'd offer some combination of 1st, Kakko, Othman, Sykora, Berard for Zegras. Anything except Perreault

Oth + Ber + for Zeg +
that is the combo

 

[bbny]

Oth + Ber + for Zeg +
that is the combo

What is this fascination for dealing Othmann in this trade? He's looking like the talented sand paper that the team needs a little bit more of moving forward.

 

[McRanger92]

I’d rather stand pat and call these Hartford guys up than trade for rentals

 

[NYR Viper]

I think there’s something to be said for acquiring a depth center. Outside of who’s on the roster they have no one who could play center. That’s a problem. But that guy doesn’t need to cost a 1st or a prospect like Berard.

Go get someone like Girgensons to improve depth. Cost will be minimal.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Zegras is more of an offseason move

 

[effen]

Hanifin of course

Hanifin looked a lot like a JAG.

 

[EdJovanovski]

How about we add skill instead of "responsible" players

Greedy players

Players who put the puck in the net instead of being concerned about our end.

It's enough already. If shesty & the D can't take care of shit then it won't matter anyway.

We need a DYNAMIC center. Young. If he's (Zegras) not it... cool but we need it so badly we could literally go back DECADES coveting it.

It's time to do something about it

Yea I don't get this narrative that we play pond hockey, need more guys who play honest hockey the right way, and insert whatever other Don Cherry cliche here. I WISH we played more pond hockey lmfao we play caveman hockey and look like we're in a different era than the rest of the league. Panarin is the only skilled forward we've had since Jagr, I remember the years of our leading scorer being a 50-60pt Stepan.

 

[bhamill]

I don't want to go into in depth discussion but the suggestion is much closer to address the Rangers roster needs at forwards for this playoff run than what Anaheim would be getting in return compared to what they could be getting elsewhere and if sold separately. So whether you think it's not a good trade from the Rangers perspective on a relative basis it's even worse for Anaheim. That's it.

The trade would make them better and not us. Yes it’s “bad” compared to what they MAY be able to get, hence the last line of my post: “…though not a great deal by general market value perception.” I guess we will see if they actually get a taker on Henrique and Vatrano, and what they get, but hopefully that taker is not NYR, not at THAT prohibitive cost.

 

[bhamill]

The gap between kakko's offense and zegras's offense is much smaller than you'd think, and the gap between kakko's defense and zegras's defense is much larger than you'd think.

Last year zegras put up 19g + 29a at 5v5 for 48 points at even strength while getting 15:59 per game at ES

Last year Kakko put up 18g +19a at 5v5 for 37 points at even strength while getting 13:59 per game.

You want to say zegras had a 60 point season, but that's not the season he'd have on the rangers buried on pp2.

Exactly. Zegras is wildly overrated on this board.
And not for nothing, if he was already a NYR this board would likely be screaming to deal him with the year he is having. At the top of their lungs. Hahaha. When he is not scoring he is basically worthless. He’s young so he has the chance to round out his game, but he has shown zero inclination to do so so far. Not surprised ANA is looking to deal him.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d take a chance on him, but not for the crazy prices people are suggesting.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yea I don't get this narrative that we play pond hockey, need more guys who play honest hockey the right way, and insert whatever other Don Cherry cliche here. I WISH we played more pond hockey lmfao we play caveman hockey and look like we're in a different era than the rest of the league. Panarin is the only skilled forward we've had since Jagr, I remember the years of our leading scorer being a 50-60pt Stepan.

Welcome to this edition of myth busters!

Rangers are one of the top teams in rush offense in the league (7th). Even their lone goal tonight with a goalie was created off the rush (and a rebound! where contrary to popular belief they sit 7th in the league in goals off of rebounds.)

Goals creates off of the cycle? They're 17th which is basically in the middle and honestly better than i thought they were. They certainly trend pond hockey. it would benefit them to find guys who can dig, retrieve and create off the walls to balance out the attack a bit. It's okay to lean rush, but you've got to be able to create off of the cycle too because it's not hard to take the rush away from this team. Teams that can dig typically do better in the playoffs and the only real rush team to win recently was Colorado.

Other popular myths!

They suck at d zone coverage, no they're actually really good there. They're damn near at the bottom of the league in defending the rush though and THAT is a problem and it's a layered one.

They're allergic to contact - they're 7th in the league in hits.

They're the slowest team in the league - They're actually above average, especially at forward.

 

[bernmeister]

What is this fascination for dealing Othmann in this trade? He's looking like the talented sand paper that the team needs a little bit more of moving forward.

It's not a hard on, like I'm pissed we have Jones and even more so b'c he's blocking Robertson.

Oth = legit quality W product that he is. Nothing more, nothing less.
He is a signif prospect. I stop short of elite atm, but I believe signif is fair/accurate.

Zegras is a young, high drafted pivot.
Cs are in short supply. Supply and demand.
An argument can be made for ANA to trade him, and a counter can be made to hold him.

Cuylle + Kakko are working out. Brodz is fine, but Zeg would be star level upgrade.
Or, depending on whatev other moves get made, chemistry, etc, we can place him betw Kreider and Zib.

All of that into consideration Zeg is gonna require reasonable overpay.

Oth + Berard ++ vs Zeg + can be that scenario.
Quality pivots becoming available = not likely.
We should seize opportunity before it fades to extent Ducks also think this can be enuf profit for them

If we did BMB as part of a package sending back Helleson, then they get a decent-> good quality prospect w/yr under his belt who can compete for/be heir to Strome moving on in 2-ish yrs

Zegras is more of an offseason move

He would be cheaper now
b'c
Zeg is out upwards of another 2 months.
He is no good to us or them.
That sucks for us, except we can hope he = boost for playoffs and can make due.

OTOH, ANA gets Oth + Berard now, they get to give them full once over to get a preliminary read -> jump ahead of the curve for next year.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I’d rather stand pat and call these Hartford guys up than trade for rentals

Thats never happening.

Brodz has done an okay job filling in but he's going to be replaced. Wish Chytil didn't get hurt because that line would have been the tits. I wouldn't seek a rental here though, the options are limited and i'm not sure that Henrique would be that big of an upgrade. I'm intrigued by the idea of Dowd between Cuylle and Kakko though. Cuylle and Kakko are going to drive excellent defensive results regardless of who they play with - they are good at defense. Pair them with a guy who is also good at defense and isn't a zero offensively? Thats what you call a match up line.

If theres an opinion I think people need to back off on a bit, it's that 1RW is the biggest need. Wheeler isn't perfect, but hes been pretty good for a little while now.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Thats never happening.

Brodz has done an okay job filling in but he's going to be replaced. Wish Chytil didn't get hurt because that line would have been the tits. I wouldn't seek a rental here though, the options are limited and i'm not sure that Henrique would be that big of an upgrade. I'm intrigued by the idea of Dowd between Cuylle and Kakko though. Cuylle and Kakko are going to drive excellent defensive results regardless of who they play with - they are good at defense. Pair them with a guy who is also good at defense and isn't a zero offensively? Thats what you call a match up line.

If theres an opinion I think people need to back off on a bit, it's that 1RW is the biggest need. Wheeler isn't perfect, but hes been pretty good for a little while now.

And what’s Dowd going to cost? He’s got term I believe.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

And what’s Dowd going to cost? He’s got term I believe.

They're asking for a 1st. I wouldn't pay it but I dont think its an unreasonable ask.

I'd flip them a 2nd and Jones.


I still think defense should be their focus.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I have 0 interest in trading Othmann

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Zegras is more of an offseason move

Maybe, but his value is nice a low right now with him injured.

 

[17futurecap]

Get Eberle on deadline day, and stick him with Kreider and Mika and have the puck 55% of the time they are on the ice.

 

[Alluckks]

Hanifin looked a lot like a JAG.

I was mostly joking bc the most radio-fan answer is just trade for the biggest names duh

 

[McRanger92]

Thats never happening.

Brodz has done an okay job filling in but he's going to be replaced. Wish Chytil didn't get hurt because that line would have been the tits. I wouldn't seek a rental here though, the options are limited and i'm not sure that Henrique would be that big of an upgrade. I'm intrigued by the idea of Dowd between Cuylle and Kakko though. Cuylle and Kakko are going to drive excellent defensive results regardless of who they play with - they are good at defense. Pair them with a guy who is also good at defense and isn't a zero offensively? Thats what you call a match up line.

If theres an opinion I think people need to back off on a bit, it's that 1RW is the biggest need. Wheeler isn't perfect, but hes been pretty good for a little while now.

You know who I like in that 3C spot. Rhymes with Dic Nowd. And the cure to KZ’s problems aren’t being solved by a trade for a RW

 

[McRanger92]

Hanifin looked a lot like a JAG.

He did, but so do our top guys most nights