Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[DanielBrassard]

He's fine but don't fall into the trap of small sample scoring rates. Right now his 5v5 scoring rate looks good. Two weeks ago it looked below average. A few good games massively swing the results. The fact that he's scoring 1.97 pts/60 this year through 335 minutes tells you very little about what to expect going forward.

Just for reference here are some other guys with good scoring rates who've played 200-400 5v5 mins this year. Sam Gagner. Jack McBain. Michael Pezzette. Julian Gauthier. Martin Pospisil. Bobby McMann. Pontus Holmberg. All over 1.7 pts/60. Certainly should not be expecting that to continue. It's just small sample stuff.

In fact, let's look at all forwards who played 200-500 mins or less last year with pts/60 over 1.75 and see how they are doing this year (again 200+ mins this year)

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Player[/TD]
[TD]TOI2223[/TD]
[TD]Pts/60 2223[/TD]
[TD]Pts/60 2324[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Luke Evangelista[/TD]

[TD]

301.0667​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.39​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.71​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Oliver Wahlstrom[/TD]

[TD]

381.1833​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.2​

[/TD]

[TD]

0.92​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jakub Vrana[/TD]

[TD]

297.2333​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.02​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.67​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pontus Holmberg[/TD]

[TD]

359.7​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.75​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nathan Bastian[/TD]

[TD]

429.5667​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.96​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.41​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Adam Ruzicka[/TD]

[TD]

429.55​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.96​

[/TD]

[TD]

0.92​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sean Monahan[/TD]

[TD]

288.4333​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.87​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.56​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nils Hoglander[/TD]

[TD]

290.3833​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.86​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.34​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Anthony Duclair[/TD]

[TD]

258.3833​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.86​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.08​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lukas Reichel[/TD]

[TD]

304.35​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.77​

[/TD]

[TD]

0.63​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Yeah looking at his point totals is stupid, but I think in terms of moving play in the right direction he’s been fine. He takes too many shots from bad angles but he’s a limited offensive player so it’s whatever.

 

[SA16]

Yeah looking at his point totals is stupid, but I think in terms of moving play in the right direction he’s been fine. He takes too many shots from bad angles but he’s a limited offensive player so it’s whatever.

Yea he's fine just saying that his scoring thus far tells you very little about whether you should expect him to score 1.1 pts/60 going forward or 2.0 pts/60 going forward.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

It wasn't my list, but at any rate I think Driver brings up bad memories of him being pretty good for the Devils for a long time. But yeah, he was far from bad. Hatcher, Poti (kinda sorta), Redden, an assortment of others were worse. BUT, I think the guy who listed Driver was more in regards to maybe he didn't want to be here. Not sure if that is true or not.

The only guy I remember who actively didn't want to be here was Sylvain Leferbve.

Avery too before he got waived. That was more overall burnout and tired of the NHL lifestyle/game prep, not particularly the Rangers.

There is no evidence until posted that Bruce Driver didn't want to play in NY.

Edstrom missed 6 weeks, returns for 1 game in AHL and is immediately recalled. Sounds to me that if he was healthy, he would have arrived on the day that Fil had his setback.

It's evident he was supposed to be up when Othmann was called up and stay once Pitlick was injured, only he was injured.

Last year’s Conn Smythe winner is 5’9”.

How about we add good players instead of trees for the sake of adding trees? If someone is big and good then sure but no useless gritty “heart and soul” oafs. Goodrow Trouba and Lindgren are too many already.

Berard is a first year pro. His time will come as soon as next year. Sykora is a very young 19. Let these guys develop naturally and don't rush them.

 

[Mac n Gs]

He's fine but don't fall into the trap of small sample scoring rates. Right now his 5v5 scoring rate looks good. Two weeks ago it looked below average. A few good games massively swing the results. The fact that he's scoring 1.97 pts/60 this year through 335 minutes tells you very little about what to expect going forward.

Just for reference here are some other guys with good scoring rates who've played 200-400 5v5 mins this year. Sam Gagner. Jack McBain. Michael Pezzette. Julian Gauthier. Martin Pospisil. Bobby McMann. Pontus Holmberg. All over 1.7 pts/60. Certainly should not be expecting that to continue. It's just small sample stuff.

In fact, let's look at all forwards who played 200-500 mins or less last year with pts/60 over 1.75 and see how they are doing this year (again 200+ mins this year)

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Player[/TD]
[TD]TOI2223[/TD]
[TD]Pts/60 2223[/TD]
[TD]Pts/60 2324[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Luke Evangelista[/TD]

[TD]

301.0667​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.39​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.71​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Oliver Wahlstrom[/TD]

[TD]

381.1833​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.2​

[/TD]

[TD]

0.92​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jakub Vrana[/TD]

[TD]

297.2333​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.02​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.67​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pontus Holmberg[/TD]

[TD]

359.7​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.75​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nathan Bastian[/TD]

[TD]

429.5667​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.96​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.41​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Adam Ruzicka[/TD]

[TD]

429.55​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.96​

[/TD]

[TD]

0.92​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sean Monahan[/TD]

[TD]

288.4333​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.87​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.56​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nils Hoglander[/TD]

[TD]

290.3833​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.86​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.34​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Anthony Duclair[/TD]

[TD]

258.3833​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.86​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.08​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lukas Reichel[/TD]

[TD]

304.35​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.77​

[/TD]

[TD]

0.63​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

So you’re saying we should trade for Nils Hoglander?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

According to some rando Rongo blog someone has an INSIDER SCOOP that the Rangers have already made a trade offer to some team for some player.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

He's fine but don't fall into the trap of small sample scoring rates. Right now his 5v5 scoring rate looks good. Two weeks ago it looked below average. A few good games massively swing the results. The fact that he's scoring 1.97 pts/60 this year through 335 minutes tells you very little about what to expect going forward.

Just for reference here are some other guys with good scoring rates who've played 200-400 5v5 mins this year. Sam Gagner. Jack McBain. Michael Pezzette. Julian Gauthier. Martin Pospisil. Bobby McMann. Pontus Holmberg. All over 1.7 pts/60. Certainly should not be expecting that to continue. It's just small sample stuff.

In fact, let's look at all forwards who played 200-500 mins or less last year with pts/60 over 1.75 and see how they are doing this year (again 200+ mins this year)

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Player[/TD]
[TD]TOI2223[/TD]
[TD]Pts/60 2223[/TD]
[TD]Pts/60 2324[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Luke Evangelista[/TD]

[TD]

301.0667​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.39​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.71​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Oliver Wahlstrom[/TD]

[TD]

381.1833​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.2​

[/TD]

[TD]

0.92​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jakub Vrana[/TD]

[TD]

297.2333​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.02​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.67​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pontus Holmberg[/TD]

[TD]

359.7​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.75​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nathan Bastian[/TD]

[TD]

429.5667​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.96​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.41​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Adam Ruzicka[/TD]

[TD]

429.55​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.96​

[/TD]

[TD]

0.92​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sean Monahan[/TD]

[TD]

288.4333​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.87​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.56​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nils Hoglander[/TD]

[TD]

290.3833​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.86​

[/TD]

[TD]

2.34​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Anthony Duclair[/TD]

[TD]

258.3833​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.86​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.08​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lukas Reichel[/TD]

[TD]

304.35​

[/TD]

[TD]

1.77​

[/TD]

[TD]

0.63​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Brodz should either be the 4C, or the Rangers version of Chris Andersen aka The Birdman in the NBA; he comes off the bench (in this case the lineup) every few games, explodes for a few minutes, and then sits back down.

 

[DialUp]

The only guy I remember who actively didn't want to be here was Sylvain Leferbve.

From what I remember of that era, Lefebvre stuck around, it was Quintal who forced his way out. If it was indeed BOTH of them, f'ing sad. What a waste of an era.

 

[will1066]

Lavi: hey Mika, I need you to shoot more on the PP
Trouba: I’ll try coach
Lavi: Errr….no Troubs, I actually need you to shoot less, like all the time
Zibs: CAN DO COACH

*Lavi looks at camera exasperated*
*laugh track*

Ok now do a three's company type of misunderstanding

 

[Fitzy]

Lee Stempiniak hated playing here. I don't have much inside info but I know that one.

 

[kovazub94]

He's fine but don't fall into the trap of small sample scoring rates. Right now his 5v5 scoring rate looks good. Two weeks ago it looked below average. A few good games massively swing the results. The fact that he's scoring 1.97 pts/60 this year through 335 minutes tells you very little about what to expect going forward.

Just for reference here are some other guys with good scoring rates who've played 200-400 5v5 mins this year. Sam Gagner. Jack McBain. Michael Pezzette. Julian Gauthier. Martin Pospisil. Bobby McMann. Pontus Holmberg. All over 1.7 pts/60. Certainly should not be expecting that to continue. It's just small sample stuff.

In fact, let's look at all forwards who played 200-500 mins or less last year with pts/60 over 1.75 and see how they are doing this year (again 200+ mins this year)

Player	TOI2223	Pts/60 2223	Pts/60 2324
Luke Evangelista	301.0667​	2.39​	1.71​
Oliver Wahlstrom	381.1833​	2.2​	0.92​
Jakub Vrana	297.2333​	2.02​	1.67​
Pontus Holmberg	359.7​	2​	1.75​
Nathan Bastian	429.5667​	1.96​	1.41​
Adam Ruzicka	429.55​	1.96​	0.92​
Sean Monahan	288.4333​	1.87​	1.56​
Nils Hoglander	290.3833​	1.86​	2.34​
Anthony Duclair	258.3833​	1.86​	1.08​
Lukas Reichel	304.35​	1.77​	0.63​

This is proper response to those who think Brodzinski solves the team’s 3C problem. I think NYR Viper is on the record to move Brodzinski to 4C.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

From what I remember of that era, Lefebvre stuck around, it was Quintal who forced his way out. If it was indeed BOTH of them, f'ing sad. What a waste of an era.

You're right. It was Quintal who cried to the media he wanted to go back to Montreal. Those teams traumatized me.

Lee Stempiniak hated playing here. I don't have much inside info but I know that one.

AV hated him. It probably had to do with that.

 

[kovazub94]

Lee Stempiniak hated playing here. I don't have much inside info but I know that one.

That’s completely on AV and forced Stempniak to be traded for a healthy scratch. What a dumb and costly moved when Zuke went down.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I totally forgot Stempniak played here

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I don’t advocate this but the Oracle says we’re adding Tarasenko, Roslovic, and Dermott without giving up a 1st or prospect of consequence depending on how you view Robertson.

 

[will1066]

First look at Rempe and Edstrom together

 

[cheech70]

I don’t advocate this but the Oracle says we’re adding Tarasenko, Roslovic, and Dermott without giving up a 1st or prospect of consequence depending on how you view Robertson.

whose the oracle?

 

[cheech70]

lets roll

 

[Profet]

whose the oracle?

I feel obligated to say...

Oracle != Profet

 

[NYR Viper]

I don’t advocate this but the Oracle says we’re adding Tarasenko, Roslovic, and Dermott without giving up a 1st or prospect of consequence depending on how you view Robertson.

How in the hell would the Rangers fit those guys? Rolslovic and Tarasenko make around $9m let alone Dermott.

All three are bad possession players so that’s fun.

 

[Daves a mess]

Zubov had a bad playoff series vs. the Flyers in 1995. Smith panicked and thought because the Atlantic was hulking up that Zubov would be out of the league in 2-3 years.

He also smoked like a chimney.

Whether it's Messier, Smith, whomever, Bruce Driver the player is not a top ten worst Ranger all time. Not even close.

I never said 10 worst players. I said 3 Rangers who hated being a Ranger. I had seasons back then, and he was hated on from the get go. Maybe the fact that Ranger fans looked at him as Devil and didn't warm up to him, made it seem to US that it may be part of the reason why he may of regretted signing. Quintal was tops.

Kamensky played like Kuchariov at a skills competition. Lefebvre was dog shit too.

There is one more who, right wing, right shot, who signed for a mill per for a few years who bailed on the Rangers. I gotta go look it up. Can't remember his name right now.

Got it
Scott Fraser. That guy wanted a paycheck. Nothing more.


That is MY recollection.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I never said 10 worst players. I said 3 Rangers who hated being a Ranger. I had seasons back then, and he was hated on from the get go.

Our whole section used to talk about how it seemed like he regretted signing with the Rangers pretty quickly.

That is MY recollection.

I get that. There's no proof though he hated being here.

Maybe Rick Carpinello could shed some light on Twitter.

 

[Daves a mess]

I get that. There's no proof though he hated being here.

Maybe Rick Carpinello could shed some light on Twitter.

I'm not trying to give YOU proof ffs. That was MY recollection based on MY eyeballs at the games.

I'm done with this lol

 

[Overcast]

According to some rando Rongo blog someone has an INSIDER SCOOP that the Rangers have already made a trade offer to some team for some player.

This is crazy big news! Did they also say that the trade may or may not happen in the near or vaguely more distant future?

 

[kovazub94]

I never said 10 worst players. I said 3 Rangers who hated being a Ranger. I had seasons back then, and he was hated on from the get go. Maybe the fact that Ranger fans looked at him as Devil and didn't warm up to him, made it seem to US that it may be part of the reason why he may of regretted signing. Quintal was tops.

Kamensky played like Kuchariov at a skills competition. Lefebvre was dog shit too.

There is one more who, right wing, right shot, who signed for a mill per for a few years who bailed on the Rangers. I gotta go look it up. Can't remember his name right now.

Got it
Scott Fraser. That guy wanted a paycheck. Nothing more.


That is MY recollection.

You can add Ozolinsh to this group.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

This is crazy big news! Did they also say that the trade may or may not happen in the near or vaguely more distant future?

Clickbait to the max.