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Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

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eco's bones said:
One of the Rangers or the Canes are almost a certainty at this point to win the division and the Rangers have the edge. That team will most likely face the first wild card team and whether it's the Lightning, Red Wings, Flyers, Islanders, Penguins all those teams have serious roster and team construction issues. Even the Canes.....as much as Igor's been mediocre their goaltending is even IMO more questionable than ours.

To me the issue isn't whether we can win a series or two....it's I don't think we have enough horses to win 4 and unless Igor and the defense can work out some kinks......? But looking at the Panthers last year.....made the playoffs pretty much the last game and then all the way to the finals. It's a funny game. A team needs luck and it needs to stay away from serious injuries. If there's an add I would like to add a steady strong D with some physical presence because I don't think we don't think we protect net front very well and I think that's added to Igor's issues this year. Solid defense usually helps a lot in playoffs.
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They need a little bit more pop and offensive drive up front. When Chytil was in the lineup the team was moving and grooving in the OZone. It was a bad domino and giant hole after he went down and the PP dried up.

mandiblesofdoom said:
hey that's our shutdown line, you know ...
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Dowd centering Vesey and Edstrom. Now that's a nasty line.
 
eco's bones said:
One of the Rangers or the Canes are almost a certainty at this point to win the division and the Rangers have the edge. That team will most likely face the first wild card team and whether it's the Lightning, Red Wings, Flyers, Islanders, Penguins all those teams have serious roster and team construction issues. Even the Canes.....as much as Igor's been mediocre their goaltending is even IMO more questionable than ours.

To me the issue isn't whether we can win a series or two....it's I don't think we have enough horses to win 4 and unless Igor and the defense can work out some kinks......? But looking at the Panthers last year.....made the playoffs pretty much the last game and then all the way to the finals. It's a funny game. A team needs luck and it needs to stay away from serious injuries. If there's an add I would like to add a steady strong D with some physical presence because I don't think we don't think we protect net front very well and I think that's added to Igor's issues this year. Solid defense usually helps a lot in playoffs.
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I think you're both right and wrong.
The rangers as their playing now would struggle in the 3rd rd, maybe even the 2nd. But we also haven't played even close to as good as we can.
And if we can see what that looks like, then I think we can have a better idea of how far we go.

Right now the players I'm confident of in the playoffs, are Laf, and fox.
I think Kakko will do better than expected, I think Trouba might.

But if mika/ck/and miller start playing closer to full expectations, then we have a much different team.
 
I think I'd be a bigger fan of Brodz if he didn't have one of the the worst case of tunnel vision I've ever seen.

Preference would be for a different style of center in his spot and slide him down to where Goodrow is while removing Goodrow but he is one of the chosen few who won't be removed, demoted or whatever (Trouba, Kreider/Mika combo, him, Lindgren.)
 
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eco's bones said:
One of the Rangers or the Canes are almost a certainty at this point to win the division and the Rangers have the edge. That team will most likely face the first wild card team and whether it's the Lightning, Red Wings, Flyers, Islanders, Penguins all those teams have serious roster and team construction issues. Even the Canes.....as much as Igor's been mediocre their goaltending is even IMO more questionable than ours.

To me the issue isn't whether we can win a series or two....it's I don't think we have enough horses to win 4 and unless Igor and the defense can work out some kinks......? But looking at the Panthers last year.....made the playoffs pretty much the last game and then all the way to the finals. It's a funny game. A team needs luck and it needs to stay away from serious injuries. If there's an add I would like to add a steady strong D with some physical presence because I don't think we don't think we protect net front very well and I think that's added to Igor's issues this year. Solid defense usually helps a lot in playoffs.
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Carolina reminds me of the Oakland A’s of the 2000s — built to win the regular season but not the playoffs.
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
I think I'd be a bigger fan of Brodz if he didn't have one of the the worst case of tunnel vision I've ever seen.

Preference would be for a different style of center in his spot and slide him down to where Goodrow is while removing Goodrow but he is one of the chosen few who won't be removed, demoted or whatever (Trouba, Kreider/Mika combo, him, Lindgren.)
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It's not worse tunnel vision than Chytil's, the type that gets you Mack trucked.
 
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Jimbo as Steven McDonald winner should be unanimous just for getting this out of Goodrow.
 
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Somebody brought up an interesting point in the PGT: have somebody read this thread who doesn’t follow hockey and guess the score.

I mean that's not to invalidate that we played like shit but I've actually experienced this.

A friend of mine who is a huge basketball fan has asked me more than once "do you think this is the Rangers' year?" and I just full-on bellow on his face. Like, literally laughing out loud. "What? They're in 1st..." he says.

This man watches a sport where the sample size in a single game is 80-100 scoring plays. He doesn't get the concept that hockey is a roulette wheel.

Powerplays are also super f***ing weird in the world of sports. It's the only sport where you stop the sport to play a slightly different sport for 2 minutes. And then that mini-game is legislated differently in the playoffs.

Hockey can obviously be very exciting but it's a bit of an RNG.
 
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Machinehead said:
Somebody brought up an interesting point in the PGT: have somebody read this thread who doesn’t follow hockey and guess the score.

I mean that's not to invalidate that we played like shit but I've actually experienced this.

A friend of mine who is a huge basketball fan has asked me more than once "do you think this is the Rangers' year?" and I just full-on bellow on his face. Like, literally laughing out loud. "What? They're in 1st..." he says.

This man watches a sport where the sample size in a single game is 80-100 scoring plays. He doesn't get the concept that hockey is a roulette wheel.

Powerplays are also super f***ing weird in the world of sports. It's the only sport where you stop the sport to play a slightly different sport for 2 minutes. And then that mini-game is legislated differently in the playoffs.

Hockey can obviously be very exciting but it's a bit of an RNG.
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The lower scoring the sport, the more room for random error.
 
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Fitzy said:
The lower scoring the sport, the more room for random error.
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To an extent. Soccer is a lot less random than hockey. Chance quality matters a lot more when the net has its own zip code.

I mean, you're not wrong. Soccer is way, way more random than basketball on a game-basis, but the most talented soccer teams win basically uninterrupted. Arguably even worse than in basketball. Of course, money is a factor there. Basketball has enforced financial rules and soccer doesn't.

That being said, beyond just the scoring sample, hockey is designed to be random. It's a sport where a large individual in larger pads blocks the entire goal and blocks 97% of what he sees. And then a rubber disk flies around a small playing surface and deflecting it into a state of unpredictability is one of the game's skills.

It's objectively stupid but I can see the appeal if you like chaos.

That's why people like me and the other nerds value just having the disk a lot over when the disk decides to enter the goal.
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
This is 100% it. Even teams that play well aren't guaranteed anything but theres nothing that this group has done that should inspire confidence.

Though I don't think the Avs looked washed at all as they thoroughly controlled that game for basically 35 minutes. Give the Rangers credit for pushing their way through that to eventually take over the game and win it.

What IS concerning is the arrogance of this group. Went up 3-1 and just assumed that they had won the game. They didn't learn shit from the San Jose game and it almost cost them.

They aren't good enough to carry that mentality and lately it seems like when ever they're about to turn a corner, they pull some bull shit.

Thats before getting to the roster problems. There isn't a perfect team in the east or the league, but there are more than a few teams who are closer to perfect than this one is.
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This. This is not a serious Stanley Cup contender. Teams like the Blackhawks you need to bury earlier, don't give them a sniff of winning. The need that killer instinct.
 
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KirkAlbuquerque said:
The rangers have been in first place all season yet no one in the hockey world believes they are a legit contender . And for good reason.
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Exactly. This is not the first season where the Rangers have come out like gangbusters only to level out as the season progresses. As we have also seen, regular season success does not guarantee success come the Second Season (which is a whole different game).
 
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NYR Viper said:
Brodzinski with another goal. He’s quickly proving to be a more productive center than any of the rental options. And he’s free.
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Brodzinski would shift to 4C. A coupe of goals by him doesn’t change the need for better 3C.
 
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