Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[I Eat Crow]

Why is Boston trading Swayman? And even if they were, why are they trading him to us?

They have Ullmark locked up and he's too good to be a platoon.

I don't hate this in theory but that Ottawa trade is rough and a pretty big overpayment.

Saying this as someone who would be okay with trading Igor sooner rather than later.

I suppose I value Pinto higher than others. He's going to be Zibanejad all over again if given a bigger role. He's blocked by Stutzle and Norris.

The base of the deal is there. If the Rangers are trading high picks, trade them for players under team control for multiple years. Vancouver and Winnipeg saved Drury from himself.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Swayman is a vegan so that is automatically going to take him off the board for 50% of this place.

Serious post: I think Boston would trade Ullmark before Swayman. They won't have any trouble finding a taker for either.

 

[Daves a mess]

I agree that he probably won't be traded by a team looking to make a playoff run, but I could see moving him if we bring in a longer-term replacement.

With Vancouver potentially moving Zadorov, maybe we trade for him, re-sign him, and then move Lindgren in the summer. That would give us the opportunity to trade Gus now while he has value. Maybe he would be the one going to Vancouver in a Zadorov deal. Vancouver only paid a 3rd and a 5th for him, so I can't imagine the cost will be very high. I don't know how much Zadorov is looking for on his next deal, but if he's willing to sign for a reasonable amount, that could be a way to go.

We aren't in a great place right now. The team hasn't been playing well for a while. I think we need to be very shrewd in how we approach the TDL.

Vancouver still looking for a Right D man.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Zadorov is the kind of player I would like us to stay away from. It says alot that Vancouver is willing to move on from him so quickly.

Don't think he's any better than Lindgren honestly. He's big and has tools but he's so f***ing dumb.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Zadorov is the kind of player I would like us to stay away from. It says alot that Vancouver is willing to move on from him so quickly.

Don't think he's any better than Lindgren honestly. He's big and has tools but he's so f***ing dumb.

We could use some tools. He’s like Trouba but a significantly better skater

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We could use some tools. He’s like Trouba but a significantly better skater

He's also dumber and like Trouba can't (or shouldn't) play higher in the lineup.

He's going to be awfully expensive for a 3rd pair defenseman. Our current 3LD is better than he is.

We need a Lindgren replacement, not a Gus one.

 

[Fitzy]

Gustafsson is projected to get close to $5M in his contract. That is crazy talk. If teams look at him as a $5M player this summer, why not trade him? Strike while the iron is hot. The Rangers aren’t paying him $5M.

Only an idiot would give him that. We can have the conversation about price and gaining assets but I can’t seriously think you believe anyone is paying a 3rd pair offensive journeyman 5 million

 

[kovazub94]

Only move 1st if there’s a core piece coming back.

Fox doesn’t need a 1st pair partner - find a cheapish stay-home guy who has size and somewhat acceptable speed.

Redo 2nd pair - I honestly don’t know what’s going on with Miller but it seem that whatever affecting him is mental. He’s just not focused this season.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’m more interested in someone like Edmundson than Zadorov. One is flashy so he will cost more. Offseason comes and I’m looking at Demelo, Schultz, Dillon and Edmundson

 

[kovazub94]

I agree that he probably won't be traded by a team looking to make a playoff run, but I could see moving him if we bring in a longer-term replacement.

With Vancouver potentially moving Zadorov, maybe we trade for him, re-sign him, and then move Lindgren in the summer. That would give us the opportunity to trade Gus now while he has value. Maybe he would be the one going to Vancouver in a Zadorov deal. Vancouver only paid a 3rd and a 5th for him, so I can't imagine the cost will be very high. I don't know how much Zadorov is looking for on his next deal, but if he's willing to sign for a reasonable amount, that could be a way to go.

We aren't in a great place right now. The team hasn't been playing well for a while. I think we need to be very shrewd in how we approach the TDL.

The recent stretch feels worse because goaltending accentuated every single fault.

 

[NYR Viper]

Low key, Ian Cole would be a good 1-2 year signing in the offseason as well

 

[bobbop]

Gustafsson is projected to get close to $5M in his contract. That is crazy talk. If teams look at him as a $5M player this summer, why not trade him? Strike while the iron is hot. The Rangers aren’t paying him $5M.

The only person who thinks Gustafsson is worth $5MM is Mrs. Gustafsson.

don't want to start a dialog about Brooks
but today's column raises a fair point about paying 1st's for rentals

in only 2 cases has a team traded a 1st for a rental, then won a Cup
and 1 was Weight to Canes in '06

please just don't

Weight didn’t finish the playoffs. He was injured.

 

[hardnosed]

Gus scored over 40 points last year and still got only $825,000 from the NYR. In July, he will be another year older and won't be coming off a 40 point season. He'll be lucky to get 1M. You know this guy scored 60 points as a defenseman in this league a few seasons ago and yet every year he has a tough time finding a job. Just has to tell you something as to how teams view him.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Gus scored over 40 points last year and still got only $825,000 from the NYR. In July, he will be another year older and won't be coming off a 40 point season. He'll be lucky to get 1M. You know this guy scored 60 points as a defenseman in this league a few seasons ago and yet every year he has a tough time finding a job. Just has to tell you something as to how teams view him.

Sounds like it’d be a great deal for us.

 

[17futurecap]

How about letting Gus finish the season here because Schneider has actually been good with him, and not pairing Schneider with career AHL dman Connor McKay, and then wondering why his game cratered?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How about letting Gus finish the season here because Schneider has actually been good with him, and not pairing Schneider with career AHL dman Connor McKay, and then wondering why his game cratered?

Louder for the people in the back.

 

[hardnosed]

Sounds like it’d be a great deal for us.

He's fine as a 6/7 D for another $800,000 contract.

 

[Rongomania]

Gus def getting paid more due to the cap jump, right?

I'm good. Rather live with the kids and add some nice vets which have all already been mentioned.

 

[EdJovanovski]

The Ed trade deadline adds would be

- Trevor Zegras
- Nic Dowd
- Nikita Zadorov
- Anthony Duclair

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Go for the Nic(k)s: Leddy and Dowd.

Call it a day.

 

[n8]

Here's my Sunday hangover musings. Stay pat at the deadline.

There's a deal to be made with Ottawa. They stink again this year after looking good on paper once again. Korpisalo sucks. They haven't gotten good goaltending since they had 36 year old Craig Anderson. The Rangers' defense needs to be tweaked a bit and they have no decent prospects in the pipeline even. It looks really bleak. Lindgren is 26 but is held together by glue and duct tape. It would be a massive mistake to pay this guy. RFA this summer with one more year of team control. He and his agent know this and will want to get paid.

Ottawa is still in shambles. They fired another coach and their new ownership is going to want to be aggressive to make moves to make the playoffs. They have Chabot, Chychrun, and Jake Sanderson on the left side. Chyrchrun is going to want to be paid. He's a top pairing defenseman when healthy. Would look great next to anyone on paper. No doubt that Ottawa is going to be on Trouba's no trade list July 1st. Shame because that would be a good fit for both teams.

Shane Pinto. Long Island kid. Grew up a Rangers fan. Held out this summer and only signed because he got caught placing bets. He doesn't want to be there. Chytil's status is very much up in the air. Switching him to wing may prolong his career if he decides he wants to try again. He won't get hit up high coming up the middle of the ice as much. You LTIR Chytil and can go 10% over the cap until you shed Trouba's money.

Shesterkin, 2024 NYR 1st, 2025 conditional 2nd (turns into a 1st if Rangers win the Cup this year or next) for Chychrun and Shane Pinto at the draft.

Trouba to Detroit for two day 2 picks (3rd and 4th or 2nd and 5th/6th)

Lindgren to Arizona for 2024 NYR 2nd and 2025 Arizona 2nd

2025 Arizona 2nd and 2024 NYR 2nd to Boston for Jeremy Swayman (extended 6 years at $6 million), essentially trading Lindgren for Swayman.

Keep Kakko.

Goodrow anywhere for a 2027 7th rounder.

Extend Gustafsson 3 years, $2.5 million/year.

Sign Dylan Demelo 4 years, $3.75 million.


Panarin-Trochek-Laf
Kreider-Pinto-Chytil
Othmann-Zibanejad-Kakko
Cuylle-Edstrom-Vesey

Miller-Fox
Chychrun-Schneider
Gus-Demelo

Swayman
Quick

That's 4 really well balanced lines with a truculent bottom 6 and three really well balanced defense pairs. Put up or shut up time for Miller. He's either given an 8 year contract or traded in summer 2025 depending on how he looks with Fox. He flounders, you put Chychrun with Fox and shuffle up the d pairs. The cap will go up enough to cover a new contract for Chychrun. You have even more cap space to work with if Chytil's career is over.

I know Shesty is not having the best season but I don't understand why he's being valued so lowly. Recent Vezina. He's still a top goalie in this league and the GMs out there would be drooling at an opportunity to add him. He's worth way more than what Calgary got for Lindholm. He has one more year left at a really affordable cap hit. I can see the logic of trading high on him this summer but we should get an absolute HAUL for him. I know yall will shoot this down but as a BASE - I'd explore something around Draisaitl for Shesterkin. I could see winning a cup with Leon.

Swayman-Zibanejad wonder Vegan twin powers activate?

We'd be trading for Swayman's early signing rights. If we already managed to pull two 2nds for Lindgren and we are only getting salary negotiation rights, might two 2nds be overpayment by like x2?

 

[Fitzy]

We've got over a month before the deadline still. I blame the all star break for this chicanery

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He's fine as a 6/7 D for another $800,000 contract.

Yeah you wouldn’t need him to be any more than a 5-6. He’s clearly had a very positive impact on Schneider.

Problem with our defense is that he’s better than the guy playing most of the minutes with Fox.

 

[hardnosed]

Yeah you wouldn’t need him to be any more than a 5-6. He’s clearly had a very positive impact on Schneider.

Problem with our defense is that he’s better than the guy playing most of the minutes with Fox.

Maybe Schneider is just getting better.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Maybe Schneider is just getting better.

That’s part of it for sure but he does a good deal of the heavy lifting moving the puck out of the DZ. It’s not the load Fox has to carry but it’s still significant enough where Schneider can just do his thing and carry it out when he needs to.

As far as third pairs go, they’ve been pretty excellent. I don’t know why people are in a rush to move him for players who are objectively worse.