Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[NYR Viper]

If the team wants a bigger d-man than trading Gustafsson is a thought. It depends on what he wants on an extension. If it’s $5m or he won’t discuss it, then I’m trading him. If it’s $2.5-3m then I’m re-signing him.

I’d rather trade Lindgren and backfill with a bigger guy

 

[RGY]

I like the idea of Jenner as a option B to Gourde.

I would like to see us add an offensive winger in the top 9. Not sure who but there are a lot of names out there.

And I would like to see Berard or Sykora get a couple games. These are energy guys who play hard. Edstrom is another guy who deserves another look. Get Brodzinski out of here. Displace Pitlick. You need to get these guys a taste of the NHL now and not the playoffs.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Offseason:

• Shesh and Goodrow for Nylander
• Lindgren for a high pick.
• Sign Hanafin

(Never going to happen with the Leafs just resigning him but their kryptonite has always been goaltending)

 

[Boris Zubov]

Yeah the Fox slander is something I don't understand and won't really ever stand for. Dude would be sitting on 2 Norris wins if he had a legitimate partner last year.

I guess being a ppg+ player in the playoffs as a defenseman isn't enough for some people. Need more players who can barely hack it in the AHL bc tuffness and heart and soul.

Where are you reading Fox slander? Personally, I've stated here multiple times I think he's overrated by this board, but I don't go out of my way to criticize him, and I'm not seeing others slander him. I've seen people say & rightfully so, IMO, that he wasn't very good in the 2nd half last season & he was struggling right after his injury this season. I & others have also made comments that his playoffs against the Devils were subpar...his PPG didn't tell the story. And like it or not, his lack of physicality in his own end can be a problem. You may disagree with all of that, but none of it is slander.

To clarify, when I say he's overrated, this board acts like he's the second coming of Bobby Orr. I've read here constantly he's better than Cale Makar & just this week someone posted he's better than prime Victor Hedman. None of this is living in reality. Frankly I feel Quinn Hughes has passed him this year...he's certainly more talented. Fox just isn't as good as those guys, IMO, & that's ok. He's still a great player & one of the top D-men in the league...but that shouldn't make him immune to criticism.

I certainly agree that he would benefit greatly with a new partner who is a legitimate top 4D in this league. Lindgren aint it. I'd also like to see him improve his skating during the off-season. He doesn't strike me as a guy who takes his physical conditioning that seriously...although I have nothing to back that up other than what I'm seeing with the eye test.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Not more foxes

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Offseason:

• Shesh and Goodrow for Nylander
• Lindgren for a high pick.
• Sign Hanafin

(Never going to happen with the Leafs just resigning him but their kryptonite has always been goaltending)

Who do we have play goalie next year?

 

[Vitto79]

How about trading Schneider for someone who will have a future here?

Texier would


Edit - forgot to put his name in originally

 

[bernmeister]

Offseason:

• Shesh and Goodrow for Nylander
• Lindgren for a high pick.
• Sign Hanafin

(Never going to happen with the Leafs just resigning him but their kryptonite has always been goaltending)

Shesty + Good for Nyl = not enuf, not realistic
Lindy for 2nd-ish or Ras of DET, yes
no on Hani

 

[leetch99]

If I were the GM...I would entertain offers for Quick . with the following option....they have to take Goodrow with him and a big maybe , bring a goalie prospect back in return . I also would never pay Gus 4 or 5 million..... Drury has some work to do . We can live without Quick . It would be harder deal to complete with both Quick and Goodrow having clauses in their deals .On the flip side......that is why good GM's find a way . That book is still being written on Drury.

 

[cwede]

don't want to start a dialog about Brooks
but today's column raises a fair point about paying 1st's for rentals

in only 2 cases has a team traded a 1st for a rental, then won a Cup
and 1 was Weight to Canes in '06

please just don't

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Where are you reading Fox slander? Personally, I've stated here multiple times I think he's overrated by this board, but I don't go out of my way to criticize him, and I'm not seeing others slander him. I've seen people say & rightfully so, IMO, that he wasn't very good in the 2nd half last season & he was struggling right after his injury this season. I & others have also made comments that his playoffs against the Devils were subpar...his PPG didn't tell the story. And like it or not, his lack of physicality in his own end can be a problem. You may disagree with all of that, but none of it is slander.

To clarify, when I say he's overrated, this board acts like he's the second coming of Bobby Orr. I've read here constantly he's better than Cale Makar & just this week someone posted he's better than prime Victor Hedman. None of this is living in reality. Frankly I feel Quinn Hughes has passed him this year...he's certainly more talented. Fox just isn't as good as those guys, IMO, & that's ok. He's still a great player & one of the top D-men in the league...but that shouldn't make him immune to criticism.

I certainly agree that he would benefit greatly with a new partner who is a legitimate top 4D in this league. Lindgren aint it. I'd also like to see him improve his skating during the off-season. He doesn't strike me as a guy who takes his physical conditioning that seriously...although I have nothing to back that up other than what I'm seeing with the eye test.

The slander that I responded to was that we don't need players like him because he lacks "heart and soul." It's not the dumbest thing I've read here or even in the top 10 because the grit/tuffness group posts shit thats all color and shape now, but it's a pretty dumb reason to say that you don't want a player.

He's a better all around defender than Makar (and there is plenty of data to support this but if you value the offense over the defense thats fine, theres plenty of data that supports that he's a better offensive player than Fox too) and I'd pump the breaks on Quinn Hughes who is having a career year on a team where seemingly EVERYONE is having a career year. Also consider who those guys play with and then who Fox plays with. Massive gulf between the likes of Towes and Hronek and Ryan Lindgren.

Fox had a bad moment in game 7 and for some reason it defined his series. I would ask you to re watch Seattle-Colorado gm7 because Makar blew chunks in that game. Guess by that standard he had a bad series too.

Regardless, he is at worst a top 4-5 player in the league at his position. Don't care about his heart and soul, he's f***ing awesome and would be even more awesome if he didn't have an offensive (and tbh defensive this year) vampire attached to him.

 

[Synergy27]

don't want to start a dialog about Brooks
but today's column raises a fair point about paying 1st's for rentals

in only 2 cases has a team traded a 1st for a rental, then won a Cup
and 1 was Weight to Canes in '06

please just don't

Not that I disagree, but I’d also like to see some info on how many of those firsts became impact players that the losing team really regretted not having access to.

Recent Rangers related trades of firsts (not draft day trade downs) involved Nils Lundqvist and Brad Lambert. I suppose the jury is still out on Lambert but I’m not sweating either of those guys.

I love prospects and the draft but we overrate the value of picks 25-32 here.

 

[Boris Zubov]

The slander that I responded to was that we don't need players like him because he lacks "heart and soul." It's not the dumbest thing I've read here or even in the top 10 because the grit/tuffness group posts shit thats all color and shape now, but it's a pretty dumb reason to say that you don't want a player.

He's a better all around defender than Makar (and there is plenty of data to support this but if you value the offense over the defense thats fine, theres plenty of data that supports that he's a better offensive player than Fox too) and I'd pump the breaks on Quinn Hughes who is having a career year on a team where seemingly EVERYONE is having a career year. Also consider who those guys play with and then who Fox plays with. Massive gulf between the likes of Towes and Hronek and Ryan Lindgren.

Fox had a bad moment in game 7 and for some reason it defined his series. I would ask you to re watch Seattle-Colorado gm7 because Makar blew chunks in that game. Guess by that standard he had a bad series too.

Regardless, he is at worst a top 4-5 player in the league at his position. Don't care about his heart and soul, he's f***ing awesome and would be even more awesome if he didn't have an offensive (and tbh defensive this year) vampire attached to him.

We mostly agree and I think that top 4-5 at his position is completely accurate. Lack of heart & soul isn't his problem...but if you wanted to call him out, it's his skating & lack of size. I'd love to see him with a better partner & I've been begging for the BFF fascination on this team to end for 3 years now.

The other player debates are pointless, because the bottom line is Fox is our guy. I just think many here have set unrealistic expectations on who he really is. He's not Bobby Orr or Brian Leetch, but he doesn't need to be. The team just needs better players to put around him starting with his LD.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Who do we have play goalie next year?

Spicy pork

 

[effen]

I personally want to strip this thing to the studs, but unless that is happening (it won't for lots of reasons) you can't trade Gus making sub 1M.

It makes zero sense to punt on support players with a playoff team of prime aged guys. It's just not coherent from a design standpoint.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I just don't see Hanafin as a needle mover either way. No way I'm giving him 7 x 7 or whatever the heck he wants.

The move this summer is to move on from Trouba, Goodrow, and Lindgren. Play money puck to replace Trouba and Lindgren. Sign two defensemen for the same $7 million Hanafin would cost to 3 or 4 year deals.

Dylan Demelo or Justin Schultz and Joel Edmundson or Gus Forsling.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Gustafsson is projected to get close to $5M in his contract. That is crazy talk. If teams look at him as a $5M player this summer, why not trade him? Strike while the iron is hot. The Rangers aren’t paying him $5M.

I like Gus, but he's a journeyman who's done nothing this year to increase his value 500%. No team is lining up to sign this guy for more than $2-3M this off-season.

 

[pld459666]

With the emergence of Perreault.. ( even though he's a year+ away) Othmann or Kakko or moveable for an upgrade piece.

I really, really wanted Kakko to turn into a Finnish monster.... he just doesn't have the temperament. We've seen this already from our core.... For that reason, he has to go. I'm sure he will find success as soon as we move him but it is what it is.

Not gonna move Othmann. He plays the aggressive style I believe is needed to compete for a Cup.

I wish we could take some of what makes him go and sprinkle that on our top 3 forwards

 

[effen]

I like Gus, but he's a journeyman who's done nothing this year to increase his value 500%. No team is lining up to sign this guy for more than $2-3M this off-season.

He's done a lot of cool stuff that helps win regular season games and he's been legitimately good. The narrative though is always going to be random horrendous bonehead plays every so often and that'll persist.

I think he'd get $5M if he was on PP1 with 10 more points he didn't really do much to get. Such is life.

 

[Mr Mxmzptlk]

He's done a lot of cool stuff that helps win regular season games and he's been legitimately good. The narrative though is always going to be random horrendous bonehead plays every so often and that'll persist.

I think he'd get $5M if he was on PP1 with 10 more points he didn't really do much to get. Such is life.

Gusty is not getting $5M from anyone. IF he were as good consistently as he has been this season, someone would have signed him to a multi-year deal, even at a bargain price. He's managed to play 60+ games only 3 times in his career and the biggest contract he received was for $3M (from the Flyers who always seem to throw good money at marginal/bad players). He's never been a big scorer either.

 

[GAGLine]

I personally want to strip this thing to the studs, but unless that is happening (it won't for lots of reasons) you can't trade Gus making sub 1M.

It makes zero sense to punt on support players with a playoff team of prime aged guys. It's just not coherent from a design standpoint.

I agree that he probably won't be traded by a team looking to make a playoff run, but I could see moving him if we bring in a longer-term replacement.

With Vancouver potentially moving Zadorov, maybe we trade for him, re-sign him, and then move Lindgren in the summer. That would give us the opportunity to trade Gus now while he has value. Maybe he would be the one going to Vancouver in a Zadorov deal. Vancouver only paid a 3rd and a 5th for him, so I can't imagine the cost will be very high. I don't know how much Zadorov is looking for on his next deal, but if he's willing to sign for a reasonable amount, that could be a way to go.

We aren't in a great place right now. The team hasn't been playing well for a while. I think we need to be very shrewd in how we approach the TDL.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Here's my Sunday hangover musings. Stay pat at the deadline.

There's a deal to be made with Ottawa. They stink again this year after looking good on paper once again. Korpisalo sucks. They haven't gotten good goaltending since they had 36 year old Craig Anderson. The Rangers' defense needs to be tweaked a bit and they have no decent prospects in the pipeline even. It looks really bleak. Lindgren is 26 but is held together by glue and duct tape. It would be a massive mistake to pay this guy. RFA this summer with one more year of team control. He and his agent know this and will want to get paid.

Ottawa is still in shambles. They fired another coach and their new ownership is going to want to be aggressive to make moves to make the playoffs. They have Chabot, Chychrun, and Jake Sanderson on the left side. Chyrchrun is going to want to be paid. He's a top pairing defenseman when healthy. Would look great next to anyone on paper. No doubt that Ottawa is going to be on Trouba's no trade list July 1st. Shame because that would be a good fit for both teams.

Shane Pinto. Long Island kid. Grew up a Rangers fan. Held out this summer and only signed because he got caught placing bets. He doesn't want to be there. Chytil's status is very much up in the air. Switching him to wing may prolong his career if he decides he wants to try again. He won't get hit up high coming up the middle of the ice as much. You LTIR Chytil and can go 10% over the cap until you shed Trouba's money.

Shesterkin, 2024 NYR 1st, 2025 conditional 2nd (turns into a 1st if Rangers win the Cup this year or next) for Chychrun and Shane Pinto at the draft.

Trouba to Detroit for two day 2 picks (3rd and 4th or 2nd and 5th/6th)

Lindgren to Arizona for 2024 NYR 2nd and 2025 Arizona 2nd

2025 Arizona 2nd and 2024 NYR 2nd to Boston for Jeremy Swayman (extended 6 years at $6 million), essentially trading Lindgren for Swayman.

Keep Kakko.

Goodrow anywhere for a 2027 7th rounder.

Extend Gustafsson 3 years, $2.5 million/year.

Sign Dylan Demelo 4 years, $3.75 million.


Panarin-Trochek-Laf
Kreider-Pinto-Chytil
Othmann-Zibanejad-Kakko
Cuylle-Edstrom-Vesey

Miller-Fox
Chychrun-Schneider
Gus-Demelo

Swayman
Quick

That's 4 really well balanced lines with a truculent bottom 6 and three really well balanced defense pairs. Put up or shut up time for Miller. He's either given an 8 year contract or traded in summer 2025 depending on how he looks with Fox. He flounders, you put Chychrun with Fox and shuffle up the d pairs. The cap will go up enough to cover a new contract for Chychrun. You have even more cap space to work with if Chytil's career is over.

 

[bernmeister]

I just don't see Hanafin as a needle mover either way. No way I'm giving him 7 x 7 or whatever the heck he wants.

The move this summer is to move on from Trouba, Goodrow, and Lindgren. Play money puck to replace Trouba and Lindgren. Sign two defensemen for the same $7 million Hanafin would cost to 3 or 4 year deals.

Dylan Demelo or Justin Schultz and Joel Edmundson or Gus Forsling.

General agree but avoid Hani
Edmundson would not be a bad target otherwise, but aren't we scared off b'c he's a pylon w/atrocious skating?

 

[Boris Zubov]

Here's my Sunday hangover musings. Stay pat at the deadline.

There's a deal to be made with Ottawa. They stink again this year after looking good on paper once again. Korpisalo sucks. They haven't gotten good goaltending since they had 36 year old Craig Anderson. The Rangers' defense needs to be tweaked a bit and they have no decent prospects in the pipeline even. It looks really bleak. Lindgren is 26 but is held together by glue and duct tape. It would be a massive mistake to pay this guy. RFA this summer with one more year of team control. He and his agent know this and will want to get paid.

Ottawa is still in shambles. They fired another coach and their new ownership is going to want to be aggressive to make moves to make the playoffs. They have Chabot, Chychrun, and Jake Sanderson on the left side. Chyrchrun is going to want to be paid. He's a top pairing defenseman when healthy. Would look great next to anyone on paper. No doubt that Ottawa is going to be on Trouba's no trade list July 1st. Shame because that would be a good fit for both teams.

Shane Pinto. Long Island kid. Grew up a Rangers fan. Held out this summer and only signed because he got caught placing bets. He doesn't want to be there. Chytil's status is very much up in the air. Switching him to wing may prolong his career if he decides he wants to try again. He won't get hit up high coming up the middle of the ice as much. You LTIR Chytil and can go 10% over the cap until you shed Trouba's money.

Shesterkin, 2024 NYR 1st, 2025 conditional 2nd (turns into a 1st if Rangers win the Cup this year or next) for Chychrun and Shane Pinto at the draft.

Trouba to Detroit for two day 2 picks (3rd and 4th or 2nd and 5th/6th)

Lindgren to Arizona for 2024 NYR 2nd and 2025 Arizona 2nd

2025 Arizona 2nd and 2024 NYR 2nd to Boston for Jeremy Swayman (extended 6 years at $6 million), essentially trading Lindgren for Swayman.

Keep Kakko.

Goodrow anywhere for a 2027 7th rounder.

Extend Gustafsson 3 years, $2.5 million/year.

Sign Dylan Demelo 4 years, $3.75 million.


Panarin-Trochek-Laf
Kreider-Pinto-Chytil
Othmann-Zibanejad-Kakko
Cuylle-Edstrom-Vesey

Miller-Fox
Chychrun-Schneider
Gus-Demelo

Swayman
Quick

That's 4 really well balanced lines with a truculent bottom 6 and three really well balanced defense pairs. Put up or shut up time for Miller. He's either given an 8 year contract or traded in summer 2025 depending on how he looks with Fox. He flounders, you put Chychrun with Fox and shuffle up the d pairs. The cap will go up enough to cover a new contract for Chychrun. You have even more cap space to work with if Chytil's career is over.

Why is Boston trading Swayman? And even if they were, why are they trading him to us?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Here's my Sunday hangover musings. Stay pat at the deadline.

There's a deal to be made with Ottawa. They stink again this year after looking good on paper once again. Korpisalo sucks. They haven't gotten good goaltending since they had 36 year old Craig Anderson. The Rangers' defense needs to be tweaked a bit and they have no decent prospects in the pipeline even. It looks really bleak. Lindgren is 26 but is held together by glue and duct tape. It would be a massive mistake to pay this guy. RFA this summer with one more year of team control. He and his agent know this and will want to get paid.

Ottawa is still in shambles. They fired another coach and their new ownership is going to want to be aggressive to make moves to make the playoffs. They have Chabot, Chychrun, and Jake Sanderson on the left side. Chyrchrun is going to want to be paid. He's a top pairing defenseman when healthy. Would look great next to anyone on paper. No doubt that Ottawa is going to be on Trouba's no trade list July 1st. Shame because that would be a good fit for both teams.

Shane Pinto. Long Island kid. Grew up a Rangers fan. Held out this summer and only signed because he got caught placing bets. He doesn't want to be there. Chytil's status is very much up in the air. Switching him to wing may prolong his career if he decides he wants to try again. He won't get hit up high coming up the middle of the ice as much. You LTIR Chytil and can go 10% over the cap until you shed Trouba's money.

Shesterkin, 2024 NYR 1st, 2025 conditional 2nd (turns into a 1st if Rangers win the Cup this year or next) for Chychrun and Shane Pinto at the draft.

Trouba to Detroit for two day 2 picks (3rd and 4th or 2nd and 5th/6th)

Lindgren to Arizona for 2024 NYR 2nd and 2025 Arizona 2nd

2025 Arizona 2nd and 2024 NYR 2nd to Boston for Jeremy Swayman (extended 6 years at $6 million), essentially trading Lindgren for Swayman.

Keep Kakko.

Goodrow anywhere for a 2027 7th rounder.

Extend Gustafsson 3 years, $2.5 million/year.

Sign Dylan Demelo 4 years, $3.75 million.


Panarin-Trochek-Laf
Kreider-Pinto-Chytil
Othmann-Zibanejad-Kakko
Cuylle-Edstrom-Vesey

Miller-Fox
Chychrun-Schneider
Gus-Demelo

Swayman
Quick

That's 4 really well balanced lines with a truculent bottom 6 and three really well balanced defense pairs. Put up or shut up time for Miller. He's either given an 8 year contract or traded in summer 2025 depending on how he looks with Fox. He flounders, you put Chychrun with Fox and shuffle up the d pairs. The cap will go up enough to cover a new contract for Chychrun. You have even more cap space to work with if Chytil's career is over.

I don't hate this in theory but that Ottawa trade is rough and a pretty big overpayment.

Saying this as someone who would be okay with trading Igor sooner rather than later.