Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[LOFIN]

Granlund is hurt right now, but he also makes $5M into next season and is absolutely terrible. Pittsburgh couldn’t wait to get rid of him and dumped him in the Karlsson deal.

He's on pace for more even strength points on a shitty San Jose team than Mika Zibanejad.

I'm not saying go get him, but he's having a decent bounceback and he's obviously not as terrible as he was in Pit. But if a team was to acquire him, you'd like at least some retention.

 

[Hire Sather]

Slick move by Islanders sneaking Gauthier through waivers during the break

 

[Guyute]

A concern, not a major concern. Would you be worried about Sid in that regard if the Rangers were to acquire him?

It was pretty well documented that Sid had a neck issue that fixed his concussion problems once treated. No clue if that’s the case for Byram.

 

[kovazub94]

That is logical but not the correct ?.
Which is,
if we sell high on somebody is his value as a stopgap worth it b'c it facilitates our going there.

We are keeping KK and Cuy.
I would argue Gauth as a freebie bottom 6, even if limited to checking 4th line W, is worth us getting
a 4th for Pitlick + a 5th
and/or
a 3rd for Vesey + a 4th

something like that

So why said trading partner wouldn’t pickup Gauthier and keep a 4th… and profit?

Not even entertaining Vesey suggestion.

Otherwise throw-up emoji because making a team weaker for the sake of 4th round pick is asinine, no less.

 

[kovazub94]

32 stupid teams in the league I guess.

Plus the rest of the hockey world except for a few geniuses.

 

[IchabodCrane]

Yeah this is true but he is kind of capable of playing one way and we don’t really have the pieces to support that. That’s not letting him off the hook as he needs to be better regardless, but there needs to be some work there to turn that into a workable situation. Same with Kreider who has just become rife with bad habits but take him away from Zibanejad and he goes back to being the good version of himself.

Im laughing at a lot of these “heart and soul” posts calling out Zib and Fox though. The one lengthy run we’ve had recently happened largely because of those guys.

Heart and Soul Trouba literally opened up the door for Tampa to get back into the ECF. They were dead in the water. Don’t get me started on how he’s played this year.

Heart and Soul Goodrow and Lindgren are 2 of our biggest sore spots right now.

Heart and Soul players who offer nothing else are bad players who try hard. They’re worse than good players who don’t appear to be trying hard.

You have never played a team sport have you?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You have never played a team sport have you?

I have.

The team with the better players usually
Wins.

How many teams heart and soul their way to a championship? The answer is zero.

Also if you want to look at “heart and soul” this is basically the same group of players and certainly the same core that over came a 3-1 and 3-2 series deficit just 2 years ago. Something tells me heart and soul isn’t a problem with this group.

You know what is? Heart and soul players who offer nothing else.

 

[effen]

So why said trading partner wouldn’t pickup Gauthier and keep a 4th… and profit?

Not even entertaining Vesey suggestion.

Otherwise throw-up emoji because making a team weaker for the sake of 4th round pick is asinine, no less.

a 4th round pick could be anything.

it could even be Jimmy Vesey in 7 years.

 

[huerter]

You've never been a high major DOBO, have you?

 

[Kupo]

The heart and soul Rangers team in 2014 got beat by a more talented Kings team.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The heart and soul Rangers team in 2014 got beat by a more talented Kings team.

That wasn’t even really a heart and soul team. That team was actually good.

Heart and soul rangers applies to the 2012 team. They almost got bounced by the 8 and 7 teams in their conference before finally losing to the 6th seeded Devils.

 

[Kupo]

That wasn’t even really a heart and soul team. That team was actually good.

Heart and soul rangers applies to the 2012 team. They almost got bounced by the 8 and 7 teams in their conference before finally losing to the 6th seeded Devils.

That was a good team, but they didn't have a single 60 point player. That team got to where they did because of depth, hard work and Godqvist in net. Not really talent.

 

[Mac n Gs]

He's on pace for more even strength points on a shitty San Jose team than Mika Zibanejad.

I'm not saying go get him, but he's having a decent bounceback and he's obviously not as terrible as he was in Pit. But if a team was to acquire him, you'd like at least some retention.

Neither of these things is true? Zibanejad has more 5v5 points and a higher P/60 than Granlund. He’s also getting almost two more min than Zibanejad too, and this is with Mika having one of his worst 5v5 shooting seasons in a few years.

It’s also not true if you look at even strength points either, which should really never be the case because it’s largely noise.

 

[LOFIN]

Neither of these things is true? Zibanejad has more 5v5 points and a higher P/60 than Granlund. He’s also getting almost two more min than Zibanejad too, and this is with Mika having one of his worst 5v5 shooting seasons in a few years.

It’s also not true if you look at even strength points either, which should really never be the case because it’s largely noise.

Granlund is on pace for 41 EVP on 82 games. Mika is on pace for 39

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

That was a good team, but they didn't have a single 60 point player. That team got to where they did because of depth, hard work and Godqvist in net. Not really talent.

Well the technically did. MSL was a mid season acquisition and he broke through that mark.

Scoring wasn’t what it was today either. Crosby was the only person to break the 100 point barrier (104.) we may have as many as 10 players eclipse that this year.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Granlund is on pace for 41 EVP on 82 games. Mika is on pace for 39

You cannot just completely ignore their usage and just divide their points by games played and multiply by 82. Like I explained before, no actual measure has Granlund outperforming Mika at 5v5.

Besides, it’s a terrible fit contract wise because the Sharks only have one retention spot left and certainly won’t waste it to dump Granlund. They’ll just let him eat empty minutes while they’re tanking again next season. It’s a bad fit salary wise for the Rangers too.

 

[Kupo]

Well the technically did. MSL was a mid season acquisition and he broke through that mark.

Scoring wasn’t what it was today either. Crosby was the only person to break the 100 point barrier (104.) we may have as many as 10 players eclipse that this year.

He scored 8 points in 19 games for us lol. You're right about scoring being down that season but there were still about 50 players score 60+ that season. Again, it was a good team but it was lacking talent.

 

[LOFIN]

You cannot just completely ignore their usage and just divide their points by games played and multiply by 82. Like I explained before, no actual measure has Granlund outperforming Mika at 5v5.

Besides, it’s a terrible fit contract wise because the Sharks only have one retention spot left and certainly won’t waste it to dump Granlund. They’ll just let him eat empty minutes while they’re tanking again next season. It’s a bad fit salary wise for the Rangers too.

I'm not trying to argue that Granlund is better than Mika, nor that we should acquire him. Merely making the point, that he isn't terrible, like some people suggested.

 

[SA16]

Granlund is terrible and should have negative value with his contract. His "good season" is a function of playing in an extremely weak team and being forcefed minutes.

In any case I do need to revise a comment I made the other day about the two worst things in hockey discussions being:

1. The term "on pace"
2. the term "Redundancy"

Usage of "ES" instead of "5v5" jumps above both of those.

 

[kovazub94]

a 4th round pick could be anything.

it could even be Jimmy Vesey in 7 years.

Don’t joke like that - surely someone’s wet dream.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He scored 8 points in 19 games for us lol. You're right about scoring being down that season but there were still about 50 players score 60+ that season. Again, it was a good team but it was lacking talent.

69 total, you can't just erase what he did before he go to NY.

Plus they had guys like Stepan and Zuccarello who were basically right at that number. They may have not had the one stand out guy on the team but they had really, really solid scoring depth and their 3rd line was just a massive mis match line that ate apart their opponents. That was the McDonagh break out year too where he was well on his way to a 50 point season himself before Burrows ended his regular season with a cheap shot.

They were also one of those teams that has horrendous shooting luck through the end of December. They were a really popular pick amongst a ton of people to be a dark horse in the east (they were right) despite the fact that they still had to scratch and claw their way to get through the first 2 rounds (that Philly and Montreal series had no business really going 7 and 6 games, those should have ended in 5 and 4.)

They lost to a better team in LA eventually but with 3 OT losses in that series the story could have been very different with a bounce or 2 or a ref that knew what goalie interference was. That was a really good team that was a mix of depth, skill and the "heart and soul" players.

Our "Heart and soul" forwards were actually good though. Boyle, Moore, Dorsett and the gang could all play.

Not so much with our H&S defensemen though. Girardi sucked and Staal fell off a cliff after the Pittsburgh series.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Those are the type of machinations that come back to bite in the ass.
We should have sold higher earlier, when there was mo term.
He's gonna get a bit more than the 3 per he gets now, don't add any risk, just sell him now.
NOW

You misunderstood the post.

I was saying Calgary can do that if he’s part of a deal for hanifin

 

[CharlestownChiefsESC]

I have.

The team with the better players usually
Wins.

How many teams heart and soul their way to a championship? The answer is zero.

Also if you want to look at “heart and soul” this is basically the same group of players and certainly the same core that over came a 3-1 and 3-2 series deficit just 2 years ago. Something tells me heart and soul isn’t a problem with this group.

You know what is? Heart and soul players who offer nothing else.

This to a tee. Probably why Hank never won a cup

 

[CharlestownChiefsESC]

Heart and soul rangers applies to the 2012 team. They almost got bounced by the 8 and 7 teams in their conference before finally losing to the 6th seeded Devils

That team needed 1 more top 6 rw and a competent coach. Jeff Carter could have been had. Torts for whatever reason thought benching half his dmen in the playoffs was smart along with not dressing Eminger in favor of Stu Bickel who was useless. That DC series was dead even, but that Ottawa series should have been over in 4 or 5. Had that happened I like their chances against the Devils and Kings especially if the Rangers got Carter.

 

[cheech70]

Igor looks comfortable in Toronto....what do we want from the Maple Leafs?