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Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

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McRanger92 said:
Trouba huge hit on Domi in game 3 as well to get us back in after going down 1-0 early.

I hate coming off as the Trouba guy but he has value to the team that go beyond charts or his bad contract. He's having a shite year though.
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I fully agree...terrible season for the most part but it is hard to negate what he did in the Cane series . Jarvis was dangerous on his every shift up until the hit.....I think if I remember correctly everybody knew it was the TSN Turning Point . Same goes with Reaves....he pounded some Penguin Dmen early in the series . BUT...I also did not want to see Reaves play every game that series and thought they would be better served with a Gauthier and his speed and then go back to a rested Reaves if needed . Turk was overplaying him I thought . Oh well....water under the bridge now....
 
McRanger92 said:
Foot speed is overrated in the playoffs and Wheeler is a good passer on a team that has maybe 3-4 guys who can complete more than a 5 foot pass. He has had chemistry with Cuylle and wouldnt mind seeing them together again with an NHL caliber center.
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If we do that then most likely means we see Kakko with CK line. Please no lol
If we ever got a 3rd line center even a bit better than Brodz would like to see what Cuylle/Kakko could do over a 10 game or so sample size.
 
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bl02 said:
If we do that then most likely means we see Kakko with CK line. Please no lol
If we ever got a 3rd line center even a bit better than Brodz would like to see what Cuylle/Kakko could do over a 10 game or so sample size.
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I think Kakko is available. No guarantee he is here after the deadline. But I do love him and Cuylle together on the wings. Thats my ideal scenario.
 
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effen said:
He's an easy lift for them to move in a lot of ways - not a core guy, makes decent not crazy salary, good but not a gamebreaker.
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he's got 3 more years at less than 5 million per. Gonna cost a bunch. Kakko plus keep adding.
 
GoAwayPanarin said:
kind of seems like reasons to keep him?

I'd love to have him. He's a legitimate top 6 RW.
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If they wanna make a shakeup trade AND get a lot for the guy they trade, he's the one who hits the sweet spot.

Cap hit is very managable.
Term is great.
Not one of their core guys.
Winger.

I'm sure they'd rather trade Norris and his 24 points for $8M but that's gonna be harder and the return will be worse.
 
Wheeler's 16 5v5 points for league minimum is so "redundant" that Goodrow, Pitlick, Bonino COMBINED have 13 in 123 gamed played.

Redundant is the second worst team used in hockey (behind "on pace" of course). It only applies in very specific situations (i.e. having multiple guys whose main skillset is QB'ing a PP when only one guy can do it. It's irrelevant at 5v5).

He's also objectively not slow per the NHL Edge data which directly tracks speed but just gets that reputation because of the two main things - old and big.
 
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I'm not in love with the idea of trading Kakko. Never have been.

It's counterproductive for several reasons which has been discussed.The kid isn't as ineffective as a lot of fans make him out to be (see below) - however despite that - his cost is relatively low to the team for what he provides on both sides of the puck - and he can be easily extended and not break the cap.

He's not having a great season but to me its really silly to give up on him for a rental when this team is flawed in so many other ways.


Been noting this with Laf and Kakko the past year and half.

I also believe there is an added bonus to being a regular PP1 (or PK/on the ice with EN) guy that isn't just extra points on your stat list raising you up into the "elite" or "star" echelons.

Its that its much easier to avoid long stretches without a point or goal. Any forward at all levels of hockey loves to produce. When you fall into long droughts it can have a spiral effect. We've seen it with these kids, especially Kakko. Much easier to avoid those with reg special teams time. Difficult to quantify but it does carry over into 5on5.
 
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Anthony5967 said:

Kakko hate needs to stop. It's frustrating that he's struggling this year but he's 22 and cheap.
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I like Kakko. I think he's less than we expected, but I think he's a fine 3rd line winger.

The question is whether a relatively slow, cycle heavy third line winger is irreplaceable on this roster. I don't think he is.

I'll be pissed off if we move him for a bad fit. A Malhotra for Rucinsky rental swap, for example, wouldn't be what I want. But if it's in a package for a better roster player on an OK deal, it's possible.
 
Lindgren, Othmann, 2024 1st and a conditional 2026 1st
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Chychrun and Batherson

Gives Ott a 'stay at home', Cap relief and futures

how off?
 
I'd be surprised if they moved Kakko just for the sake of moving him

I think it's more that he just isn't "untouchable" any more and if some team wants to value him highly enough to give the Rangers a good deal they'd be interested, but moving him for nothing would shock me

GoAwayPanarin said:
Whats the condition on that 2nd first?

I think I'd do it outright but I understand why others may not (and why Ottawa may not.)
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I was gonna say Chychrun signing an extension but I guess he has one more year, not sure if he can sign one yet?

The money might not make sense but I'd love to get Chychrun on this team as the #1 LD
 
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Levitate said:
I'd be surprised if they moved Kakko just for the sake of moving him

I think it's more that he just isn't "untouchable" any more and if some team wants to value him highly enough to give the Rangers a good deal they'd be interested, but moving him for nothing would shock me


I was gonna say Chychrun signing an extension but I guess he has one more year, not sure if he can sign one yet?

The money might not make sense but I'd love to get Chychrun on this team as the #1 LD
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Yeah he'd be eligible this summer.

Even so, I'd probably do it. It sets you up pretty well for the next few years and I'd certainly hate the team a lot less.
 
duhmetreE said:
Lindgren, Othmann, 2024 1st and a conditional 2026 1st
for
Chychrun and Batherson

Gives Ott a 'stay at home', Cap relief and futures

how off?
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Ottawa's problem is their $8M guys they signed for forever aren't good enough to make them even a middle tier team now and probably won't be for 2-3 years.

Anything they trade their mid-tier salary guys for (Chychrun and Batherson) needs to line up with that timeline. Othmann and random 1sts are nice but too young in all likelihood. They need to recycle them for 2 year younger versions of themselves.

Or go the other way and get vets who are actually good on good deals. That works too. But NYR can't help with either philosophy.
 
GoAwayPanarin said:
The Panarin, Trouba and Kreider extensions/signings were poorly timed regardless of how anyone fells about those players.

You don't embark into a rebuild and then tie up a 4th of your cap on 3 players for term a year and a half later.
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The timing of that was fine, the inability to develop a forward we drafted in a timly manor or at all in some cases is what messed it up. They had no idea what to do with their draft picks.
 
GoAwayPanarin said:
Whats the condition on that 2nd first?

I think I'd do it outright but I understand why others may not (and why Ottawa may not.)
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re-signing Chychrun or SCF appearance?

effen said:
Ottawa's problem is their $8M guys they signed for forever aren't good enough to make them even a middle tier team now and probably won't be for 2-3 years.

Anything they trade their mid-tier salary guys for (Chychrun and Batherson) needs to line up with that timeline. Othmann and random 1sts are nice but too young in all likelihood. They need to recycle them for 2 year younger versions of themselves.

Or go the other way and get vets who are actually good on good deals. That works too. But NYR can't help with either philosophy.
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we have the vettest of vets. Goodrow. He'd be great there.

but they'd have to assume the $8M kids will turn it around. They get replacements for those leaving and then futures. That gives them ammo to make the picks or find a player they want
 
Trading for Chychrun now would be very similar to when Tampa traded for McDonagh. Similar contracts and all.
 
effen said:
Ottawa's problem is their $8M guys they signed for forever aren't good enough to make them even a middle tier team now and probably won't be for 2-3 years.

Anything they trade their mid-tier salary guys for (Chychrun and Batherson) needs to line up with that timeline. Othmann and random 1sts are nice but too young in all likelihood. They need to recycle them for 2 year younger versions of themselves.

Or go the other way and get vets who are actually good on good deals. That works too. But NYR can't help with either philosophy.
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The other side to that is that younger versions of those players aren't really going to be available. I would think they'd prefer the young guys and the picks because even if the picks are unknown, they control their destiny there. Vets on good deals are not really going to be of interest to them unless they're trying to compete ASAP (we have like one of those and he won't waive to go there.)

I dont buy that Batherson is available regardless but in the event that I'm wrong, he automatically becomes one of my top targets.

Chychrun they pretty much will have to move at some point. He isn't re-signing there.

I'd rather Hanafin between the 2 D as long as he gets extended. I think Chychrun is good, but the durability is a legitimate concern.
 
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I think Chychrun - Fox would be a great pairing. Chychrun's physicality makes him good at retrieving pucks, which pairs nicely with Fox's ability to move the puck out of the zone with possession.
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
Yeah he'd be eligible this summer.

Even so, I'd probably do it. It sets you up pretty well for the next few years and I'd certainly hate the team a lot less.
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If you could dump lindgren and I dunno Goodrow and bring in Chychrun that'd be a huge upgrade but I kinda doubt they'd tumble things up that much

Guyute said:
I think Chychrun - Fox would be a great pairing. Chychrun's physicality makes him good at retrieving pucks, which pairs nicely with Fox's ability to move the puck out of the zone with possession.
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IIRC Chychrun grades out extremely well defensively, or at least did at some point
 
Levitate said:
If you could dump lindgren and I dunno Goodrow and bring in Chychrun that'd be a huge upgrade but I kinda doubt they'd tumble things up that much


IIRC Chychrun grades out extremely well defensively, or at least did at some point
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Yup, very much a 2 way guy.

Not a killer with his physicality but def physical in the sense that he separates players from the puck.

More of a carrier than a passer out of his own end which is fine, if not preferred.
 
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