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Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

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Guyute said:
If we are trading Kakko, please be for Chychrun or Hanifin
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Or we could just wait til july 1 and get hanifin for no assets.

If I was drury id blow up the d core and trade lindy, kandre and trouba this offseason and then sign zadorov, hanifin and pesce
 
RangerBoy said:
The Rangers like the fancy skill players. They don't like grit and sandpaper guys.
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This is a false narrative to make people feel better. Their actual issue has been the gritty, sandpaper guys they do add are just bad players. Reaves, Goodrow, Blais, etc. Trocheck has been a homerun. Mikkola last year gave them some of what they needed. Drury needs to make an actual move for a couple guys like this and I think he knows it. These Lindhom and Monahan rumors have always been more media negotiating than anything real imo
 
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Raspewtin said:
I always found it funny when the talking point was "Trouba allowed Miller to play his game" when that is verifiably and categorically false.

Trouba takes more chances than anyone and doesn't have a prayer of getting back. He is poor defending rushes which means Miller pinches less, which isn't good since NHL offensive schemes are heavily reliant on activating the D on attack.

The solution is less or no Trouba. Sorry, go do hospital hits once every three months somewhere else bucko.
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I feel so vindicated today.
 
McRanger92 said:
This is a false narrative to make people feel better. Their actual issue has been the gritty, sandpaper guys they do add are just bad players. Reaves, Goodrow, Blais, etc. Trocheck has been a homerun. Mikkola last year gave them some of what they needed. Drury needs to make an actual move for a couple guys like this and I think he knows it. These Lindhom and Monahan rumors have always been more media negotiating than anything real imo
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Barbashev. He was a big addition for Vegas. Vegas has Kolesar. Vegas has those big defensemen. Vegas even has a young kid. Kaedan Korczak. RHD. Big and long.
 
RangerBoy said:
Barbashev. He was a big addition for Vegas. Vegas has Kolesar. Vegas has those big defensemen. Vegas even has a young kid. Kaedan Korczak. RHD. Big and long.
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Who is this years Barbashev? If the Caps fall further out of it and are willing to deal with us I'd look into a package deal for Dowd and Edmundson.

You are right about the need for the large defenseman on the back end. Every team that has won in recent years has had big boys with poor analytic profiles on their back end. You mentioned Vegas. Tampa Bay won cups with Schenn, Bogosian, Rutta, David Savard playing a lot of games. Colorado added Manson and won the WCF & Cup with Eric and Jack Johnson as their 3rd pair. Edmundson, Bortuzzo with St Louis. Its a pattern. Lindgren and Gustafsson arent going to hold up.
 
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RangerBoy said:
Barbashev. He was a big addition for Vegas. Vegas has Kolesar. Vegas has those big defensemen. Vegas even has a young kid. Kaedan Korczak. RHD. Big and long.
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Vegas also plays a style that is suited for barbashev.

I dont think we would have seen the same results for barbashev if he came here.

It all starts with our “core”
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
Now do their adds the year before.
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Vatrano. Skate and shoot. Motte. 4th liner. Braun. 6th/7th D. Copp. The Rangers paid a fortune for Copp. He got hurt against the Islanders in Elmont before the playoffs started. He was slowed after that injury. Copp had core/abdominal surgery in the summer of 2022.

It would be nice if some of these additions will be on the team beyond May.
 
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RangerBoy said:
The trade deadline last season. Tarasenko AND Kane. Barbashev was out there.
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Ok, and what did they do before that?

-Signed Goodrow
-Signed Trouba
-Traded for Reaves
-Traded Buchnevich where the primary piece coming back was a 4th line hitter.
-Traded Kevin Hayes as part of the rebuild and targeted Brendan Lemieux.
-Threw JT Miller into a trade to get "15 points in 70 games as a 13-year-old" Libor Hajek.
-The Lias Andersson pick.
-Employed Cody McLeod on an actual NHL roster.
-Let Anton Stralman walk so they could give extensions to warriors and shot blockers.
-Let Benoit Pouliot walk so they could give that extra million and a half to Tanner Glass.

Should I keep going? I can. It doesn't hold up that the organization hates grit and sandpaper.

Let's look at the times they actually targeted skill.

Ok, Tarasenko and Kane were a bad one. Let's look at some others:

-Traded for 5'9" offensive defenseman Adam Fox.
-The Filip Chytil pick.
-The K'Andre Miller pick which was objectively good, warts and all.
-DeAngelo, who would have been great if he had a brain.
-Acquired "soft" Benoit Pouliot and he became an excellent role player.
-Acquired "soft" Derick Brassard and he became a linchpin center.
-Traded blocked shots and other narrative bullshit Ryan Callahan for Hall of Famer Martin St. Louis and went to a Stanley Cup Final.
-Drafted Derek Stepan who literally couldn't play hard because he was too slow, and who also wouldn't swat a fly; he was pretty good.
-Signed 5'6" Mats Zuccarello after he lit up some soft Euro league.
-Signed Marian Gaborik and then traded him for a handful of key pieces.
-Signed Scott Gomez, got two solid years out of him, and then traded him for Ryan McDonagh.

I like the second list better. It's almost as if good players are good or something.

And I didn't even mention Panarin who was objectively an excellent signing and you hating him doesn't change that.

You're knowledgeable when it comes to the cap. With everything else, you're Larry Brooks, and I'm going to continue proving it every time you bring it up.
 
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Kovalev27 said:
If they get Kuzmenko and a first I’m betting we offered Kakko and a first and they took the guy that actually scores goals.

So drury def dangling Kakko out there for the right guy. But I’m hearing Lindholm won’t be signing an extension. If we offered Kakko and a first without an extension we’d be nuts
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So you just used your own guess as a source. Hahahahaha
 
I am listening to Elliotte Friedman on Marek's show. They were going over the interested teams in Lindholm. Elliotte didn’t mention the Rangers. Canucks(of course). Avs. Bruins. Jets.

The Leafs want Tanev, Bad.

Calgary would like to keep Hanifan. He has a decision to make. The Flames have made him a very generous offer.

Marek said the American kid with the long name playing in the OHL is the Adam Fox of the OHL.

Lindholm will have a Canucks patch on his ASG sweater.

LA will move Kaliyev for a depth forward with some edge.
 
Machinehead said:
Ok, and what did they do before that?

-Signed Goodrow
-Signed Trouba
-Traded for Reaves
-Traded Buchnevich where the primary piece coming back was a 4th line hitter.
-Traded Kevin Hayes as part of the rebuild and targeted Brendan Lemieux.
-Threw JT Miller into a trade to get "15 points in 70 games as a 13-year-old" Libor Hajek.
-The Lias Andersson pick.
-Employed Cody McLeod on an actual NHL roster.
-Let Anton Stralman walk so they could give extensions to warriors and shot blockers.
-Let Benoit Pouliot walk so they could give that extra million and a half to Tanner Glass.

Should I keep going? I can. It doesn't hold up that the organization hates grit and sandpaper.

Let's look at the times they actually targeted skill.

Ok, Tarasenko and Kane were a bad one. Let's look at some others:

-Traded for 5'9" offensive defenseman Adam Fox.
-The Filip Chytil pick.
-The K'Andre Miller pick which was objectively good, warts and all.
-DeAngelo, who would have been great if he had a brain.
-Acquired "soft" Benoit Pouliot and he became an excellent role player.
-Acquired "soft" Derick Brassard and he became a linchpin center.
-Traded blocked shots and other narrative bullshit Ryan Callahan for Hall of Famer Martin St. Louis and went to a Stanley Cup Final.
-Drafted Derek Stepan who literally couldn't play hard because he was too slow, and who also wouldn't swat a fly; he was pretty good.
-Signed 5'6" Mats Zuccarello after he lit up some soft Euro league.
-Signed Marian Gaborik and then traded him for a handful of key pieces.
-Signed Scott Gomez, got two solid years out of him, and then traded him for Ryan McDonagh.

I like the second list better. It's almost as if good players are good or something.

And I didn't even mention Panarin who was objectively an excellent signing and you hating him doesn't change that.

You're knowledgeable when it comes to the cap. With everything else, you're Larry Brooks, and I'm going to continue proving it every time you bring it up.
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We get all those hard nosed players and just trade them away, aside from the 2 that are untradable on bad contracts, so your argument doesn't hold up very well.
 
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