Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)
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PuckLuck3043
Stairway To Heaven
My point was they are not falling out of a top 3 spot in the division. I also think they are a better team than they have shown and this is probably not the same roster as after the deadline. A first round exit is a possibilty. We just don't know. This team will also get younger next year. Guys like Othmann, Berard, Edstrom and Sykora could push for a spot(s). Bonino is already gone, and Wheeler will almost certainly be gone after the season. I see this roster getting younger. It's been a rough 15 games or so but it's not all doom and gloom.
Mr Mxyzptlk
SHOOT THE PUCK ALREADY!!!!
To quote a line from a TV show (can't remember which one at the moment): "This does not compute."
I can't imagine anyone thinking that Zegras would bring as little as Kakko and Lindgren.
PuckLuck3043
Stairway To Heaven
I don't understand why some people are so enamored with Zegras. He is abysmal defensively, has a total of 7 points in 20 games this year, and makes 5.75 million. Somebody please enlighten me.
Boris Zubov
No relation to Sergei, Joe
He'd fit in here perfectly....all style no substance, softer than butter & doesn't play a lick of defense. We need more guys like this.
Pinto + 3 2024 3rds
for
Vesey, BMB, Wheeler + Pitlick + NYR 2024 2nd
also, we ask Bonino if he wants out, if he says yes, we waive, terminate; then he can go to another team [possibly Sens] and make comparable $$$ teaching FOs.
BMB is decent C prospect for 1-2 yrs away, the other 3 provide immediate depth/help which the other night OTT demonstrated it could use.
And while surrendering extra picks, they have the better pick
Rs get Pinto replace Chytil
do Cuylle - Pinto - Kakko
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Othmann + for Zegras +
unload Good retained at 2.0 in the process
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Lindgren + Jones
for
Rasmussen + det 2nd
promote Edstrom
Kreid - Ed/Zeg - Zib
bread - tro - LaF
Cuylle - Pinto - KK
Eds/stopgap - Ras - Rempe
for
Vesey, BMB, Wheeler + Pitlick + NYR 2024 2nd
also, we ask Bonino if he wants out, if he says yes, we waive, terminate; then he can go to another team [possibly Sens] and make comparable $$$ teaching FOs.
BMB is decent C prospect for 1-2 yrs away, the other 3 provide immediate depth/help which the other night OTT demonstrated it could use.
And while surrendering extra picks, they have the better pick
Rs get Pinto replace Chytil
do Cuylle - Pinto - Kakko
---------
Othmann + for Zegras +
unload Good retained at 2.0 in the process
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Lindgren + Jones
for
Rasmussen + det 2nd
promote Edstrom
Kreid - Ed/Zeg - Zib
bread - tro - LaF
Cuylle - Pinto - KK
Eds/stopgap - Ras - Rempe
PuckLuck3043
Stairway To Heaven
I threw up a little in my mouth when I saw that D, I’m better now. I’d at least give Jones a chance.
defense may be a work in progress, but part of that is on team/system etc.
Will he work hard if he comes here? Yes.
Does he have physical sufficient tools to succeed. We think yes.
He is a pivot
worth trying betw. Kreider + Zib
to see if that works before going elsewhere
if not, still a top 6
He is useless for 2-ish months due to broken ankle so no immediate loss to Ducks and we can LTIR him for that time
He may want out in coupla yrs, and if enuf on the table, makes sense for Ana to go there now
Othmann + is enuf
Jones has had his chance and underwhelmed
play Robertson, Mack
freel free to elaborate/substantiate
till later peeps
peace out
PuckLuck3043
Stairway To Heaven
It would take me a month to elaborate on all that is wrong with those trades and they will never happen. Also Zegras is overrated, soft, and way too expensive. They will have better options for a 3c assuming Chytil doesn't come back.
I dont have any problems with Mika as the 1C. When he's on his game he can be a top 10 center in the league. He's fallen into a lot of the same tropes we got on Panarin for the last couple of years. We all see it. Way too much East-West stuff. Overpassing. Honestly it doesn't even seem like it lately, but for a while he was getting his shots on the PP but not so much at 5v5. Far too often he's been passing up shooting opportunities at 5v5 for nothing plays. This was the same situation for Panarin too. The numbers show it. Mika's 5v5 shots on net for a full season at this pace will be the lowest its been in nearly a decade. I like to use that 19-20 season when he torched the league as a comparison because you can see the level he can actually reach. His tendencies were a bit different, and there's no better example of that than what we're seeing from Panarin this year.
Lets break it down a little. Mika is surprisingly on pace for ~400 shot attempts this season, not great but not bad.. but he's missing the net. He's on pace for ~200 shots on net, his lowest total over a full season in close to a decade. Last year he had 440 shot attempts, 251 shots on goal. That 19-20 season, the guy had 208 shots on goal in 57 games! That's more than what he's tracking for in an entire season this year. He was on pace for ~500 shot attempts that season!
Not every player needs to be a volume shooter, but given the fact that Mika was at his very best when he was... he needs to get back to that. More direct, simplified game. And the same was true for Panarin the past couple years... when you stop shooting the puck teams will simply take the pass away. Once you show you're a threat to shoot it those cute plays they're neurotically looking for will actually open up. The video coach should be sitting this guy down after every game and look at the ridiculous passes that he throws into 2 defenders when there's a scoring chance and say shoot the f***ing puck there.
Lets break it down a little. Mika is surprisingly on pace for ~400 shot attempts this season, not great but not bad.. but he's missing the net. He's on pace for ~200 shots on net, his lowest total over a full season in close to a decade. Last year he had 440 shot attempts, 251 shots on goal. That 19-20 season, the guy had 208 shots on goal in 57 games! That's more than what he's tracking for in an entire season this year. He was on pace for ~500 shot attempts that season!
Not every player needs to be a volume shooter, but given the fact that Mika was at his very best when he was... he needs to get back to that. More direct, simplified game. And the same was true for Panarin the past couple years... when you stop shooting the puck teams will simply take the pass away. Once you show you're a threat to shoot it those cute plays they're neurotically looking for will actually open up. The video coach should be sitting this guy down after every game and look at the ridiculous passes that he throws into 2 defenders when there's a scoring chance and say shoot the f***ing puck there.
Alright Bern, you’ve clearly thrown the gauntlet - put your big boy pants on for this.
1. Schneider / Berard / 2 for Roslovic 50%, Kuraly 50%, Gudbranson @ 2.75
2. Off season - Trouba for picks/prospects, Lindgren/Goodrow for Chairot
3. sign Hanifin, Quick, either Blueger or Stephenson
Panarin Trocheck Laf
Othmann Mika Kakko
Krieder Blueger Cuylle
Vesey Kuraly Edstrom
Key Fox
Hanifin Gudbranson
Jones Chiarot
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smoneil
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Bern, you keep saying this, but Byfield is at the END of his ELC. He's up for his next contract this summer. His ES production is close to Laf's, he won't get time on PP1 here, but his LA production on the powerplay will factor into his next contract. I wouldn't be opposed at targeting him for the right price, but he's unlikely to be a bargain for more than another couple of years.
Synergy27
F-A-C-G-C-E
Who on this team outside of Bread has style? This team is both no substance AND no style, but somehow wins a bunch of games.
Regarding deadline reinforcements, same as every year, they should be looking to add depth and not a significant piece. If you need a significant piece, that means your team isn’t good enough.
Give me Texier, Dowd, and a Mikkola type defenseman without giving up a first.
Boris Zubov
No relation to Sergei, Joe
Good enough to win a bunch of regular season games, going nowhere in the playoffs. If we want more of the same, Zegras would be a great add. Tell me you can't picture him going full Johnny Gaudreau with his shrinking violet act once the playoffs begin.
Enlighten you??? Kakko has 6 points in 28 games. Next stupid point please.
KirkAlbuquerque
#WeNeverGetAGoodCoach
The Ducks have a ton of forward prospects and traded away a good D prospect in Drysdale. They will need defensemen to go with their forwards.
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Chytil officially done for the year.
We now know we have that amount to work with.
We now know we have that amount to work with.
Harpur was dependable last season down the stretch for us. Gustafsson played well with more minutes this year when Fox was out. Scandella is a solid depth defenseman. But lets roll with Miller who is mentally fragile right now instead and let his value drop further with his poor play and Lindgren who we have all said plays a style that isn't sustainable like Dan Girardi.
Daves a mess
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