Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[BobMarleyNYR]

Laf is going to be better than Stutzle for a lower price. Stutzle is a featherweight Olympic diver putting up PP while his big brother Brady fights his battles. Laf is a hard nosed even strength guy. He’s a keeper

Tkachuk/Stutzle would have been mortal enemies in 1942.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Loved seeing Fox of all people bully that clown.

 

[Mike in Houston]

Mollie knows what's up!

 

[ncdoc]

3rd in the East and 1st in the Metro at the break. They’ve got a lot of areas to improve, but they’ve built up a nice buffer and have time to work on them.

That is why the burn it down crowd sound like fools. Will we win the cup? Very unlikely. Will we win the cup after burning it down and waiting X number of years? Very unlikely. We have a good groups of players, but definitely need upgrades. If we burn it down, are we going to get there? Well maybe in 3-5 years. I would rather have this team with the off chance some players get hot and we do something in the playoffs, than a burn down waiting X years to do anything, if ever. At least wait until offseason. You don't sell it all off when you are leading the division.

 

[NYR Viper]

The answer here isn’t to find a center for Cuylle and Kakko, that player is Zibanejad. The answer is to find a center to play with Kreider and Vesey.

Zibanejad plays horribly with Kreider at 5v5. Put him with Kakko and Cuylle and make him actually work. Those guys are bulls along he walls, something Zibanejad needs help with.

Go get a good 2-way center who doesn’t break the bank and play him with Kreider. I wouldn’t pay much, think late pick and middle prospect like Robertson. Roslovic or Sturm.

If San Jose would retain a bit I’d look at Kevin Labanc. The price should be minimal and he’d be an improvement for the RW. Interchange him and Vesey

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Joe being Joe last night, talking about how underrated Lindgren's passing is. It seems like he does something like that every game--" you know, Sam, Tyler Pitlick had one of the greatest shots in his draft class... Like 12 years ago."

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

The answer here isn’t to find a center for Cuylle and Kakko, that player is Zibanejad. The answer is to find a center to play with Kreider and Vesey.

Zibanejad plays horribly with Kreider at 5v5. Put him with Kakko and Cuylle and make him actually work. Those guys are bulls along he walls, something Zibanejad needs help with.

Go get a good 2-way center who doesn’t break the bank and play him with Kreider. I wouldn’t pay much, think late pick and middle prospect like Robertson. Roslovic or Sturm.

If San Jose would retain a bit I’d look at Kevin Labanc. The price should be minimal and he’d be an improvement for the RW. Interchange him and Vesey

Obvious to everyone but the coached apparently.

Im starting to think the meme about it being in Lav's contract that he's not allowed to split up Zib-CK may not be a meme afterall

 

[Mike in Houston]

Joe being Joe last night, talking about how underrated Lindgren's passing is. It seems like he does something like that every game--" you know, Sam, Tyler Pitlick had one of the greatest shots in his draft class... Like 12 years ago."

And people say they aren't homer enough.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

For the teams that will more than likely be sellers at this time, these are some of the players the Rangers should look at and somr are more then just rentals:

• Provorov (LD, 1 year left at $4.75, will need some retention)
• Texier (can play all forward positions, RFA at seasons end, currently at $1.5M
• Roslovic (C/RW. UFA at seasons end, currently at $4M)
• Pinto (C, RFA at seasons end, $775K)
• Mittelstadt (C/LW, RFA at seasons end, $2.5M, don't think Buffalo will trade them)
• Dowd (C, 1 year left at $1.3M)
• Aube-Kubel (RW, UFA at seasons end. $1.25M)
• Edmondson (LD/RD, UFA at seasons end. $1.75M)
• Pacioretty (LW, UFA at seasons end, $2M)
• Sturm (C, 1 year left at $2M)
• Zegras (C, 2 years left at $5.75M, likely an offseason move)
• Hanafin (LD, UFA at seasons end, $4.95M, would look to extend)
• Mangiapane (LW/RW, 1 year left at $5.8M, would need retention)
• Crouse (LW/RW, 3 years left at $4.3M, likely not available)
• Gourde (Plays all 3 forward positions, 1 year left at $5.2M, would need retention)
• Wenneberg (C, UFA at seasons end, $4.5M)

 

[zlev]

Dowd would be great but I dont see the Caps having any reason to trade him. maybe next year.

 

[SA16]

The answer here isn’t to find a center for Cuylle and Kakko, that player is Zibanejad. The answer is to find a center to play with Kreider and Vesey.

Zibanejad plays horribly with Kreider at 5v5. Put him with Kakko and Cuylle and make him actually work. Those guys are bulls along he walls, something Zibanejad needs help with.

Go get a good 2-way center who doesn’t break the bank and play him with Kreider. I wouldn’t pay much, think late pick and middle prospect like Robertson. Roslovic or Sturm.

If San Jose would retain a bit I’d look at Kevin Labanc. The price should be minimal and he’d be an improvement for the RW. Interchange him and Vesey

It's just not true. They've outscored the opposition every single year but one. They've been over 50% xG every year but two. This includes the last couple of years. The actual GF% is much more important than the xg% here as we're looking at an 8 year 4400 minute sample we're they been outperforming it every single time. This likely has a lot to do with Kreider consistently outperforming his xG because his deflections and screens are not properly accounted for.

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[TD]GF%[/TD]
[TD]xg%[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]

1617​

[/TD]

[TD]

295​

[/TD]

[TD]

53.8​

[/TD]

[TD]

53.3​

[/TD]

[TD]

57.1​

[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]

1718​

[/TD]

[TD]

453​

[/TD]

[TD]

54.9​

[/TD]

[TD]

48.6​

[/TD]

[TD]

56.8​

[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]

1819​

[/TD]

[TD]

668​

[/TD]

[TD]

50.1​

[/TD]

[TD]

55​

[/TD]

[TD]

53.8​

[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]

1920​

[/TD]

[TD]

448​

[/TD]

[TD]

52.1​

[/TD]

[TD]

57.1​

[/TD]

[TD]

48.2​

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[TR]
[TD]

2021​

[/TD]

[TD]

389​

[/TD]

[TD]

48.2​

[/TD]

[TD]

51.9​

[/TD]

[TD]

48​

[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]

2122​

[/TD]

[TD]

969​

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[TD]

50.2​

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[TD]

57.1​

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[TD]

51.5​

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[TR]
[TD]

2223​

[/TD]

[TD]

626​

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53.3​

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63.6​

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[TD]

54.8​

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[TR]
[TD]

2324​

[/TD]

[TD]

528​

[/TD]

[TD]

50.7​

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[TD]

59.2​

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[TD]

50.6​

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They have outscored the opposition 105-72 the last three years, 57-36 the last two years, and 29-20 this year. Why do we constantly have to talk about breaking these guys up? Because we don't like how it looks? Whatever they're doing is working and has worked for a very long time.

 

[McRanger92]

For the teams that will more than likely be sellers at this time, these are some of the players the Rangers should look at and somr are more then just rentals:

• Provorov (LD, 1 year left at $4.75, will need some retention)
• Texier (can play all forward positions, RFA at seasons end, currently at $1.5M
• Roslovic (C/RW. UFA at seasons end, currently at $4M)
• Pinto (C, RFA at seasons end, $775K)
• Mittelstadt (C/LW, RFA at seasons end, $2.5M, don't think Buffalo will trade them)
• Dowd (C, 1 year left at $1.3M)
• Aube-Kubel (RW, UFA at seasons end. $1.25M)
• Edmondson (LD/RD, UFA at seasons end. $1.75M)
• Pacioretty (LW, UFA at seasons end, $2M)
• Sturm (C, 1 year left at $2M)
• Zegras (C, 2 years left at $5.75M, likely an offseason move)
• Hanafin (LD, UFA at seasons end, $4.95M, would look to extend)
• Mangiapane (LW/RW, 1 year left at $5.8M, would need retention)
• Crouse (LW/RW, 3 years left at $4.3M, likely not available)
• Gourde (Plays all 3 forward positions, 1 year left at $5.2M, would need retention)
• Wenneberg (C, UFA at seasons end, $4.5M)

Good list. Mittelstadt is an interesting one. I’d trade Miller for him if the plan was to play him with Kreider/Wheeler and move Mika between Cuylle/Kakoo.

I’d love to pry pinto from Ottawa. Bring him home

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

And people say they aren't homer enough.

They're the wrong type of homer lol

 

[NYR Viper]

It's just not true. They've outscored the opposition every single year but one. They've been over 50% xG every year but two. This includes the last couple of years. The actual GF% is much more important than the xg% here as we're looking at an 8 year 4400 minute sample we're they been outperforming it every single time. This likely has a lot to do with Kreider consistently outperforming his xG because his deflections and screens are not properly accounted for.

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[TD]Year[/TD]
[TD]TOI[/TD]
[TD]CF%[/TD]
[TD]GF%[/TD]
[TD]xg%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

1617​

[/TD]

[TD]

295​

[/TD]

[TD]

53.8​

[/TD]

[TD]

53.3​

[/TD]

[TD]

57.1​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

1718​

[/TD]

[TD]

453​

[/TD]

[TD]

54.9​

[/TD]

[TD]

48.6​

[/TD]

[TD]

56.8​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

1819​

[/TD]

[TD]

668​

[/TD]

[TD]

50.1​

[/TD]

[TD]

55​

[/TD]

[TD]

53.8​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

1920​

[/TD]

[TD]

448​

[/TD]

[TD]

52.1​

[/TD]

[TD]

57.1​

[/TD]

[TD]

48.2​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

2021​

[/TD]

[TD]

389​

[/TD]

[TD]

48.2​

[/TD]

[TD]

51.9​

[/TD]

[TD]

48​

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

2122​

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969​

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50.2​

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57.1​

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51.5​

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[TR]
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2223​

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[TD]

626​

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53.3​

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[TD]

63.6​

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[TD]

54.8​

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[TR]
[TD]

2324​

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[TD]

528​

[/TD]

[TD]

50.7​

[/TD]

[TD]

59.2​

[/TD]

[TD]

50.6​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

They have outscored the opposition 105-72 the last three years, 57-36 the last two years, and 29-20 this year. Why do we constantly have to talk about breaking these guys up? Because we don't like how it looks? Whatever they're doing is working and has worked for a very long time.

I’d really like to see a larger sample of Kreider away from Zibanejad. I think that he would be just as effective and it would allow more offense at 5v5 from Mika.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

You wish!

I dream of them having a good team that you could have confidence in and are fun to watch. Just like every other curmudgeon on this board. I don't think this team is it, but doesn't mean I don't want them to win. Holy shit I want to be wrong.

There is no way they are finishing out of the top 3 in the Metro. I see Carolina winning the division but who exactly is going to overtake them for 2nd in the divison. They have played like crap for over a month but so has everybody else. They have a 7 point lead over Philly with a game in hand and they win the tie breaker and Philly has lost 5 in a row. They have a double digit lead over everybody else. The schedule also gets a little better with 19 of their final 33 at home so less travel.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’ve mentioned him before but if Florida adds at the deadline which seems likely, a guy whose spot may be lost is Lorentz. He’d be a nice addition to a 4th line here and he can play center if needed. Probably costs very little and his cap his is manageable.

 

[cwede]

I’d really like to see a larger sample of Kreider away from Zibanejad. I think that he would be just as effective and it would allow more offense at 5v5 from Mika.

When Chytil was healthy and w Bread, i thought Kreider w Trochek could balance out top 3 lines.
Not sure how best to do that now tho

 

[NYR Viper]

When Chytil was healthy and w Bread, i thought Kreider w Trochek could balance out top 3 lines.
Not sure how best to do that now tho

I think they should build a solid 2-way line and use it as such. Kreider-_______-Vesey

They may not score a ton at 5v5 but they should be a good matchup line and control play in the other teams zone. Find a center that fits that mold. Sturm would be a good one if he’s available. Jenner would be freaking perfect but I’m concerned about his price.

Panarin-Trochek-Lafreniere
Cuylle-Zibanejad-Kakko
Kreider-_______-Vesey
_______-Goodrow-Pitlick

Maybe Edstrom takes that open 4LW spot

 

[NYR Viper]

Low key, but Kevin Hayes would be a good addition. He can play center there. He’s a good 2-way center with his size and reach. If for some reason Chytil comes back Hayes rotates to RW. He has chemistry with Kreider from his past. $3.6m cap hit after Philly retained half.

Also if the first round matchup is Philly, you have a very motivated Hayes…

 

[Boris Zubov]

They're the wrong type of homer lol

No relation to Homer Simpson

 

[DialUp]

There is no way they are finishing out of the top 3 in the Metro. I see Carolina winning the division but who exactly is going to overtake them for 2nd in the divison. They have played like crap for over a month but so has everybody else. They have a 7 point lead over Philly with a game in hand and they win the tie breaker and Philly has lost 5 in a row. They have a double digit lead over everybody else. The schedule also gets a little better with 19 of their final 33 at home so less travel.

Again, I hope I am wrong.

I'd feel better about their regular season position if they could start beating playoff teams again. It's been over a month. The metro being absolute ass gives me no solace and their positioning is a mirage anyway. The canes are good, we are middling. A healthy NJ beats us straight up too in a 7 game series, bad goaltending and all (which currently we have lately as well). Rangers are lucky NJ's year is a waste

First round exit potential with a team not getting younger is a bad spot to be in.

 

[zlev]

Low key, but Kevin Hayes would be a good addition. He can play center there. He’s a good 2-way center with his size and reach. If for some reason Chytil comes back Hayes rotates to RW. He has chemistry with Kreider from his past. $3.6m cap hit after Philly retained half.

Also if the first round matchup is Philly, you have a very motivated Hayes…

kevin hayes f***ing blows

 

[archanfelnsx]

Would you do a deal like this to hopefully wake this team up after the All Star Break:

Put Chytil on LTIR with no plans on activating him again this season.

New York Rangers receive:

Pavel Buchnevich - 5.8 AAV
Marco Scandella - 3.275 AAV

Total AAV - 10.855 AAV


St. Lous Blues receive:

K'Andre Miller - 3.872 AAV
Barclay Goodrow - 3.64 AAV
Nick Bonino - .800 AAV
2024 1st Round Pick

Total AAV - 8.312 AAV


and


New York Rangers receive:

Trevor Zegras - 5.75 AAV
Sam Carrick - .850 AAV

Total AAV - 6.60 AAV


Anaheim Ducks receive:

Kaapo Kakko - 2.1 AAV
Ryan Lindgren - 3.00 AAV

Total AAV - 5.10 AAV

Numbers should work with Chytil's AAV on LTIR. Would bring back Buch to play with Kreider and Zibanejad; Zegras could slot in as our 3C once he is healthy, and Scandella can be our stay at home LD. Getting the Blues to take on Goodrow's contract is what warrants the 1st Rounder going to St. Louis. Zegras could use a fresh start in NY while Kakko gets to play with less pressure in Anaheim; could be a trade where both teams can benefit. Lindgren gives the Ducks some defensive stability while their young forwards can develop.


Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-Trocheck-Lafreniere
Cuylle-Zegras-Wheeler
Vesey-Brodzinski-Carrick

Gustafsson-Fox
Scandella-Trouba
Harpur-Schneider

Shesterkin
Quick

 

[Boris Zubov]

Would you do a deal like this to hopefully wake this team up after the All Star Break:

Put Chytil on LTIR with no plans on activating him again this season.

New York Rangers receive:

Pavel Buchnevich - 5.8 AAV
Marco Scandella - 3.275 AAV

Total AAV - 10.855 AAV


St. Lous Blues receive:

K'Andre Miller - 3.872 AAV
Barclay Goodrow - 3.64 AAV
Nick Bonino - .800 AAV
2024 1st Round Pick

Total AAV - 8.312 AAV


and


New York Rangers receive:

Trevor Zegras - 5.75 AAV
Sam Carrick - .850 AAV

Total AAV - 6.60 AAV


Anaheim Ducks receive:

Kaapo Kakko - 2.1 AAV
Ryan Lindgren - 3.00 AAV

Total AAV - 5.10 AAV

Numbers should work with Chytil's AAV on LTIR. Would bring back Buch to play with Kreider and Zibanejad; Zegras could slot in as our 3C once he is healthy, and Scandella can be our stay at home LD. Getting the Blues to take on Goodrow's contract is what warrants the 1st Rounder going to St. Louis. Zegras could use a fresh start in NY while Kakko gets to play with less pressure in Anaheim; could be a trade where both teams can benefit. Lindgren gives the Ducks some defensive stability while their young forwards can develop.


Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-Trocheck-Lafreniere
Cuylle-Zegras-Wheeler
Vesey-Brodzinski-Carrick

Gustafsson-Fox
Scandella-Trouba
Harpur-Schneider

Shesterkin
Quick

This is awful for so many reasons, but the fact that you have Harper, who is out for the season, back playing on the 3rd pair makes it especially awful.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I have yes that’s one season. Wasn’t great last year either. Now Igor is literally playing worse than any goalie in the league. Literally.

Mika has 500 points. Mika is still putting up basically a point per game.

It’s not the same

Igor was at the worst a top 5 goalie in the league last year, give me a break. Plus the argument isn’t that Zibanejad can’t put up points. The argument is that he’s not a play driver, he’s overrated and he’s not a #1 center that can lead a team to a Stanley cup.