Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[Savant]

I would trade Igor for Dubois. I think that would actually be a very clever move. Dubois' a strong even strength producer, has speed and has good possession and rate metrics. I think that would give us some really dangerous lines.

P-T-L
K-Z-W
C-PLD-KK
V-G-TP

I’m not touching the PLD contract. Rangers have enough contracts and PLD would be the worst of them all with 8 years left on it. It’s the Mika deal with an extra year. Stop.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I almost spit out my coffee. What? Jessiman? Mcilrath? And who was that guy... um... shit... I have to look it up.. ah, yes... Pavel Brendl

Andersson isn't even close.

Andersson is certainly one of the biggest busts along with those guys. 7th overall.

Jessiman and McI were 12th and 10th overall. Brendl was a bust but thankfully we traded him off for value before it was crystal clear.

 

[Savant]

Andersson is certainly one of the biggest busts along with those guys. 7th overall.

Jessiman and McI were 12th and 10th overall. Brendl was a bust but thankfully we traded him off for value before it was crystal clear.

Jessiman and McI are worse for me because of what was left on the table. McI had his knee explode in his first camp. Jessiman was just a no excuse disaster

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Jessiman and McI are worse for me because of what was left on the table. McI had his knee explode in his first camp. Jessiman was just a no excuse disaster

To be fair, didn't Jessiman have his ankle destroyed too in the NCAA? Never really recovered after that.

 

[Savant]

To be fair, didn't Jessiman have his ankle destroyed too in the NCAA? Never really recovered after that.

I honestly dont remember

 

[bernmeister]

Rangers should trade Miller for a center. Jones and Mackey play more. Win win

NO
KAM is a keeper
Jones sucks play Robertson
am willing to give Mackey chance to show more
ditch Jones
sell high on Lindy

a guy without heart won't develop it because of new linemates, and yay more buyouts

The idea is not to acquire PLD
I consider that a cost baked in
The idea is to acquire Byfield a true 1C possible starting his elc

guarantee obviously not possible, but bern predicts we get enuf outta him before selling buying out

Given how well Cuylle and Kakko fit together, it would be a shame not to at least try to explore an option between them. Brod isn't it, and Chytil might not play another game. He shouldn't play another game this season at least.

Anything interesting out there, for a relatively cheap cost? Wouldn't want to give a 1st or a top prospect for a 3rd line C.

1,111% concur on Cuylle - Kakko as bookend Ws.
I've been pushing that for months

Until we acquire Zegras + for Othmann+, and Z's broken ankle is healed, we should consider Edstrom as a stopgap

Not sure Pinto available and at what price. That is a thought.

They got nothing or Kravtsov yes but let’s not act like all 1st rounders do well . Obviously was a terrible selection but I wanted Wahlstrom and that’s been meh too

Atleast Lias turned into Cuylee

The correct play there was what I wanted, Dobson

Okay. Let's get nuts.

-Lindgren, Goodrow, Robertson, 1st in 2024 and 2025 for Chychrun and Tarasenko (50% ret). Ottawa can buy Lindgren out for cap savings of 200k this summer.

-mid round pick to Seattle for Tanev. 3.5m hit that will be off the books next summer. Versatile and can add another element to our bottom 6.

-snag Colin Blackwell from CHI. Not sure what his value might be but we could use some speed.


Panarin Zibanejad Lafreniere
Kreider Trocheck Tarasenko
Cuylle Tanev Kakko
Vesey Blackwell Wheeler
Pitlick/Brodzinski

Miller Fox
Chychrun Trouba
Gustafsson Schneider
Jones/Mackey

1st deal = no, no more effin rentals
vets for vets
youth for youth
youth for vets
but no vets for youth/futures
NO

Also Good at 1.6x reduced to 2.0 to ANA as part of Zegras deal is the play there

I would trade Igor for Dubois. I think that would actually be a very clever move. Dubois' a strong even strength producer, has speed and has good possession and rate metrics. I think that would give us some really dangerous lines.

P-T-L
K-Z-W
C-PLD-KK
V-G-TP

Again, idea is not to go there without Byfield coming back.
Very expensive if PLD can't be resurrected, but By totally worth it.

I’m not touching the PLD contract. Rangers have enough contracts and PLD would be the worst of them all with 8 years left on it. It’s the Mika deal with an extra year. Stop.

NO stop
In one fell swoop, without dealing an F or D, we could undo the stupidity of rentals and bad drafts by getting Byfield
PLD is just an acceptable risk that has upside.
If we can manufacture good opportunity w/correct linemates that = good chemistry, this guy is not gonna be lazy on every shift. He'll want to generate good numbers, regardless of effort it takes. But he would have to feel comfortable. Ordinarily, I would agree and say eff this prima donna, but this is the ticket to Byfield, so no.

 

[Savant]

NO
KAM is a keeper
Jones sucks play Robertson
am willing to give Mackey chance to show more
ditch Jones
sell high on Lindy


The idea is not to acquire PLD
I consider that a cost baked in
The idea is to acquire Byfield a true 1C possible starting his elc

guarantee obviously not possible, but bern predicts we get enuf outta him before selling buying out



1,111% concur on Cuylle - Kakko as bookend Ws.
I've been pushing that for months

Until we acquire Zegras + for Othmann+, and Z's broken ankle is healed, we should consider Edstrom as a stopgap

Not sure Pinto available and at what price. That is a thought.


The correct play there was what I wanted, Dobson



1st deal = no, no more effin rentals
vets for vets
youth for youth
youth for vets
but no vets for youth/futures
NO

Also Good at 1.6x reduced to 2.0 to ANA as part of Zegras deal is the play there



Again, idea is not to go there without Byfield coming back.
Very expensive if PLD can't be resurrected, but By totally worth it.


NO stop
In one fell swoop, without dealing an F or D, we could undo the stupidity of rentals and bad drafts by getting Byfield
PLD is just an acceptable risk that has upside.
If we can manufacture good opportunity w/correct linemates that = good chemistry, this guy is not gonna be lazy on every shift. He'll want to generate good numbers, regardless of effort it takes. But he would have to feel comfortable. Ordinarily, I would agree and say eff this prima donna, but this is the ticket to Byfield, so no.

PLD with eight years left in his deal is no upside. He has the same cap hit as Zibanejad. The Rangers need to cut cap. not add cap

 

[bernmeister]

PLD with eight years left in his deal is no upside. He has the same cap hit as Zibanejad. The Rangers need to cut cap. not add cap

stop cherry picking
Byfield beginning elc = HUGE cap bene

If we get any improvement from pld we can keep or sell then

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

Not knit picking. That’s a pretty good list. But no list of Ranger’s worst trades would be complete without Middleton.

Miller & Ridley for Bobby Carpenter...followed up by Carpenter for Dionne.

I consider that one trade...we ultimately traded away two 22 year olds for the ghost of Marcel Dionne. Those guys went on to be effective NHLers for a decade while Dionne was done in less than 18 months here.

My list was last 30 years only. I put that earlier in the post but it may not have been clear from how I presented the list.

70s and 80s had some headbangers for sure, especially the Middleton deal.

I still rank Ferraro, Lafayette, Laperriere, and Norstrom to LA for Kurri, Churla, and McSorley as the worst deal of the 90s though. Ferraro went on to be productive for another 5 years. Norstrom was a fixture on the Kings blueline and one of the better defensive D in the game for a decade. Laperriere was exactly the type of productive, PITA player the Rangers could've used in their bottom 6 when they were instead running out non-entities. Meanwhile, Churla was damaged goods and was out of hockey a year later after his eye got destroyed twice. Kurri was decent in <20 games and was inexplicably allowed to walk when his buddy Gretzky was signed and the team needed a winger...only for the team to sign Pat Flatley instead. And McSorley was completely ineffective as a Ranger and left after the season anyway.

But Buch for Blais was pretty damn awful too.

 

[RangerBoy]

PLD has an awful reputation. Elliotte Friedman said PLD plays when he wants to play and that is a huge problem. No thank you.

 

[Savant]

stop cherry picking
Byfield beginning elc = HUGE cap bene

If we get any improvement from pld we can keep or sell then

No. If you get PLD that’s an anchor because no one else is dumb enough to take that contract. The fact that LA is already regretting it is the reddest of flags. I’m not doing any deal that involves taking PLD back

 

[RangerBoy]

I almost spit out my coffee. What? Jessiman? Mcilrath? And who was that guy... um... shit... I have to look it up.. ah, yes... Pavel Brendl

Andersson isn't even close.

The Rangers were hoping Elias Petterson was there. That guy is one of the best players in the NHL right now. We don't know how things would have gone for Petey with the Rangers. Petey on the Rangers and things would have been much different. Even picking Suzuki and the Rangers are in a better place. Andersson couldn't play.

Jessiman and McIlrath got hurt. Kyle Jean took out McIllrath's knee in a scrimmage. Jessiman tore his ankle at Dartmouth. Both of them were never the same players.

Brendl couldn't skate and he was lazy. Didn't want to play any defense. Come back into the play and pick up anyone.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Kravtsov was a way bigger disaster than Lias.

Lias turned into Cuylle who is at least okay. Kravtsov turned into nothing which is better than Kravtsov but far from ideal.

 

[McRanger92]

Dowd and Sturm are both guys I really like for that 3C spot. Non-rentals with size who could do the dirty work between Cuylle & Kakko.
Making a trade for a wing to get Mika and Kreider going is the definition of insanity. I leave them with Wheeler (who is heating up and may have found his niche here) and tell them to figure it out. Panarin line is the top anyway.

Now, if they can deal miller for a young C (Shane Pinto type), I’d split them and player Meeka on line 3 with Cuylle and Kakko.

They need to trade Miller while they can. He’s got potential obviously but it’s complete chaos when he’s on the ice. Blocked point shots and brainless turnovers turning into chances against. 1 point in line 15 games. Trouba also sucks but he’s in hell on that pair and can’t be moved until the summer. I’d trade Miller’s ass to the frozen wasteland straight up for Hanifin, with the intention of extending him.

Panarin - Tro - Laf
Kreider-Mika-Wheelchair
Cuylle-Dowd-Kakko
Vesey-Goodrow-Aubrey-Kubel/Duhaime/Brodz

Hanifin-Fox
Gus-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider

Quick
Igor

Lineup gives us as good a shot as anyone in the East this playoffs. In the summer you deal with Goodrow/Trouba/Igor and retool

 

[The Crypto Guy]

edit - nevermind misread.

 

[IDvsEGO]

How did Lias turn into Cuylle? Cuylle is a legit NHL player while Lias is a legit AHL player.

Lias was traded for a 2nd, that 2nd was cuylle.
Clear trade tree

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Lias was traded for a 2nd, that 2nd was cuylle.
Clear trade tree

Yes I misread what he was saying, thought he meant Lias turned into a Cuylle type player.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

PLD has an awful reputation. Elliotte Friedman said PLD plays when he wants to play and that is a huge problem. No thank you.

Especially on this team. He is not what we need and that contract is no bueno. We need a competent 3C that won't break the bank.

 

[Kovalev27]

https://x.com/nyr_pr/status/1751418154482274596?s=46&t=QUcCtS0WrUbUSXL4U-JD-A

For the idiots

And I sincerely mean that

People talking about this guy isn’t a 1C this guy shouldn’t haven’t been resigned. You’re talking about one of the best Rangers centers ever. Maybe one of their best players ever. And we’re bitching about a 45 game stretch where he’s still pretty much a point a game player? STFU. Don’t get spoiled it can get WAY worse there are much darker times in our history than being in first place 47 games into a season believe me.

 

[bernmeister]

Dowd and Sturm are both guys I really like for that 3C spot. Non-rentals with size who could do the dirty work between Cuylle & Kakko.
Making a trade for a wing to get Mika and Kreider going is the definition of insanity. I leave them with Wheeler (who is heating up and may have found his niche here) and tell them to figure it out. Panarin line is the top anyway.

Now, if they can deal miller for a young C (Shane Pinto type), I’d split them and player Meeka on line 3 with Cuylle and Kakko.

They need to trade Miller while they can. He’s got potential obviously but it’s complete chaos when he’s on the ice. Blocked point shots and brainless turnovers turning into chances against. 1 point in line 15 games. Trouba also sucks but he’s in hell on that pair and can’t be moved until the summer. I’d trade Miller’s ass to the frozen wasteland straight up for Hanifin, with the intention of extending him.

Panarin - Tro - Laf
Kreider-Mika-Wheelchair
Cuylle-Dowd-Kakko
Vesey-Goodrow-Aubrey-Kubel/Duhaime/Brodz

Hanifin-Fox
Gus-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider

Quick
Igor

Lineup gives us as good a shot as anyone in the East this playoffs. In the summer you deal with Goodrow/Trouba/Igor and retool

no
not moving KAM

 

[RGY]

Rangers should trade Miller for a center. Jones and Mackey play more. Win win

Its been 1 game….

 

[McRanger92]

https://x.com/nyr_pr/status/1751418154482274596?s=46&t=QUcCtS0WrUbUSXL4U-JD-A

For the idiots

And I sincerely mean that

People talking about this guy isn’t a 1C this guy shouldn’t haven’t been resigned. You’re talking about one of the best Rangers centers ever. Maybe one of their best players ever. And we’re bitching about a 45 game stretch where he’s still pretty much a point a game player? STFU. Don’t get spoiled it can get WAY worse there are much darker times in our history than being in first place 47 games into a season believe me.

Like Kreider he rightfully takes the most heat because he’s been here the longest. They need to pick up their games. Full stop. There’s no magic formula in a trade that’s going to solve it. Wheelchair is dust but can still produce and I think as a guy who is at the end with no cup, maybe he can help motivate those 2. They will be in his position sooner than later if they don’t start contributing every night at even strength.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Hughes over Kakko
Stutzle over Laf
Necas over Andersson
Dobson over Kravtsov
Tarasenko over McIlrath


Would've made huge differences

 

[Hunter Gathers]

To be fair, didn't Jessiman have his ankle destroyed too in the NCAA? Never really recovered after that.

He did. It was very, very bad, too. Tore a few ligaments in the ankle. Brutal injury at his age since he was still growing and still very raw/green.

Jessiman ends up as a 3rd/4th liner if he didn't have that ankle injury. His skating was never the same.

 

[LOFIN]

For the idiots

And I sincerely mean that

People talking about this guy isn’t a 1C this guy shouldn’t haven’t been resigned. You’re talking about one of the best Rangers centers ever. Maybe one of their best players ever. And we’re bitching about a 45 game stretch where he’s still pretty much a point a game player? STFU. Don’t get spoiled it can get WAY worse there are much darker times in our history than being in first place 47 games into a season believe me.

I'm not advocating for getting rid of him. When he's on, he brings amazing value for the money. And even while he's not on, he puts up enough numbers on PP so that you don't think that contract is Huberdeau level toxic.

But something needs to happen here. He hasn't been good for a while, and we need him to be good if we are to win.