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Proposal: Roster Building Thread Part IV: High Hopes

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Mikos87 said:
Depends, that 15-15 year he had in 60 games sticks out as an outlier at this point.

BUF needs defensemen, and Holden helps them have a bunch of 3,4,5 guys with number 1.

They don't need centers since they have a number of those and Girgs is pushed down the depth chart.
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Girgensons would probably play LW, they only have 11 forwards listet on capfriendly.

Blueliners they added Scandella, Antipin and Beaulieu with Ghule probably starting in the AHL, so not sure that is really a need.
 
I would argue that by the end of last year, Stepan was no longer seen by management or the coaching staff as the #1 center. Zibanejad was given the best two forwards - Kreider and Zucc - as his wingers. Zibs was also the team's leading scorer in the playoffs. Gorton is taking a gamble that Zibanejad is going to take the next step in his development.
 
I just saw Slim Jim Vesey totally school a goalie in a shootout.

He looks like he is ready for a good second season.


 
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silverfish said:
Mittlestadt, Rasmussen, Tippet, Vilardi.
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Rasmussen? He's a pylon who had 3 5v5 assists all year, he would have been an atrocious pick, Lias >>>>>>>>>>> Rasmussen...
I'm guessing you didn't do much research into the draft? Because you're a stat guy and Rasmussen looks an AWFUL pick top-10 when looking at the spreadsheets :)

I'm also not high on Mittelstadt and NYR was clearly looking for a C after trading Stepan so Tippett wasn't an option.

I personally would have taken Vilardi easily, think i had him #5 on my ranking, but if NYR was definitely going C and they didn't like Vilardis skating (the logical reason for not picking him, his skating really is awful) then i have no issues at all with picking Lias. The difference between Lias, Suzuki, Necas, Mittelstadt etc is really small and NYR clearly liked Lias so it's w/e imo.

Edit: Yes, NYR reached at the time by picking Lias Andersson at #7, but there were reasons for it and most prospect nerds are more fine with the pick after digesting it for a bit. Lias also comes out looking VERY good in atleast a couple good prospect models, mainly Canucks Armys SEAL model.

Were there players i'd rather have picked? Absolutely, give me Vilardi, Brännström or Liljegren any day over Lias, but NYR wanted a C and Lias is much more pro ready and he skates circles around Vilardi.
 
Thirty One said:
I will give Gorton credit for playing hard to get with a player motivated to come to the Rangers.

Was Andersson a reach at 7? I don't know. The only scouting organization that I know for sure had him ranked higher than 13 is the New York Rangers, though.
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He was definitely quite high on both Wings and Kings lists too i've heard, not sure how high though. Think that's part of the reason there was no trade to trade down for us.
 
There were definitely strong rumors about both Wings and Kings having Lias high on their lists, if those rumors were true or not we'll likely never know, but lots of smoke to not be any fire.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
He was definitely quite high on both Wings and Kings lists too i've heard, not sure how high though. Think that's part of the reason there was no trade to trade down for us.
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Source?

Also the consensus was that the draft was pretty wide open after the first few picks, so teams weren't likely paying that much to move up. When was the first trade up, in the 20s?
 
Thirty One said:
Source?

Also the consensus was that the draft was pretty wide open after the first few picks, so teams weren't likely paying that much to move up. When was the first trade up, in the 20s?
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Source is what i read on twitter etc on draft day, nothing tangible just rumors, but there were quite a few.

Yeah, that too. So if the offers for trading down were bad along with rumors about atleast 2 teams having Lias high (not sure how high but still) then it makes sense to pick him #7.

Just to be clear, not saying either Wings or Kings would have picked him if he was on the board, just rumors he was high up their lists.
 
Thirty One said:
Source?

Also the consensus was that the draft was pretty wide open after the first few picks, so teams weren't likely paying that much to move up. When was the first trade up, in the 20s?
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His dad works for the Kings, and there were tweets about them liking him at the combine, despite not being able to interview him
 
Rasmussen ahead of Lias Andersson? Oki...

I am still surprised about the lack of depth signings. We can't see Puempel as a good top 12 option, can we? Without Fast, that gives us two openings in the top 12 up front out of camp. I know we haven't had a 1st in a while, but are we really counting on Lias to make it out of the gate? Think as a rule of thumb you don't count on any 18 y/o not named Crosby or McDavid. What's holding up getting 2-3 guys like in the mold of Jooris, Gerbe and co?

Are we awaiting a buy-out/trade of Staal?

Are we waiting for Kerfoot? I've never seen him, but he got chemistry with Vesey and isn't his stats pretty good? I've seen a lot of Da Costa, would prefer Kerfoot. The former is just not a NHLer.

I think the experts are underrating the amount of depth this teams need given there is so little talk about it. Like let's say two guys are injured in camp, it's not that unusual, and Lias isn't ready. We would have big problems filling the holes with bodies. Get a try-out in there, someone who can play but probably is AHL bound and a top 12 capable player into the mix. We need more depth.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
Edit: Yes, NYR reached at the time by picking Lias Andersson at #7, but there were reasons for it and most prospect nerds are more fine with the pick after digesting it for a bit. Lias also comes out looking VERY good in atleast a couple good prospect models, mainly Canucks Armys SEAL model.

Were there players i'd rather have picked? Absolutely, give me Vilardi, Brännström or Liljegren any day over Lias, but NYR wanted a C and Lias is much more pro ready and he skates circles around Vilardi.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, if Andersson was 'reach' then that word has an incredibly specific meaning when it comes to drafting.

Easily obtainable draft rankings for Andersson (this is taken from the discussion had about him in his draft thread)
HockeyBuzz had him at 7 overall
HockeyProspect had him as the 8th ranked forward and 12th overall
Future Prospect had him as the 10th ranked forward, 7th ranked centre and 13th overall
NHL Central had him as the 3rd best Euro skater (no idea if they combine their Euro and NA lists)
THW had him as the 8th ranked forward and 12th overall
ISS had him as the 15th ranked forward and the 25 overall (they also list his a LW which seems weird)
McKeens had him at 13th for forwards and 17th overall

You take out D-men and he went almost exactly where he should have
 
jas said:
I would argue that by the end of last year, Stepan was no longer seen by management or the coaching staff as the #1 center. Zibanejad was given the best two forwards - Kreider and Zucc - as his wingers. Zibs was also the team's leading scorer in the playoffs. Gorton is taking a gamble that Zibanejad is going to take the next step in his development.
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I think Groton is also taking a huge chance with Hayes, stepping up as a solid 2C. Unlike most around here, I think Hayes and Zib will both really breakout this year.
 
Pre-draft I thought Lias was going to go anywhere between 12 and 17. So maybe a bit of a reach but one thing for sure I would not have been happy if we'd taken Michael Rasmussen.

I'm fine though with both Andersson and Chytil (who if you go just by the scouting services was an even bigger reach than Andersson).
 
Ola said:
Rasmussen ahead of Lias Andersson? Oki...

I am still surprised about the lack of depth signings. We can't see Puempel as a good top 12 option, can we? Without Fast, that gives us two openings in the top 12 up front out of camp. I know we haven't had a 1st in a while, but are we really counting on Lias to make it out of the gate? Think as a rule of thumb you don't count on any 18 y/o not named Crosby or McDavid. What's holding up getting 2-3 guys like in the mold of Jooris, Gerbe and co?

Are we awaiting a buy-out/trade of Staal?

Are we waiting for Kerfoot? I've never seen him, but he got chemistry with Vesey and isn't his stats pretty good? I've seen a lot of Da Costa, would prefer Kerfoot. The former is just not a NHLer.

I think the experts are underrating the amount of depth this teams need given there is so little talk about it. Like let's say two guys are injured in camp, it's not that unusual, and Lias isn't ready. We would have big problems filling the holes with bodies. Get a try-out in there, someone who can play but probably is AHL bound and a top 12 capable player into the mix. We need more depth.
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Kerfoot's been rumored to Vancouver for a while.
 
Ola said:
Rasmussen ahead of Lias Andersson? Oki...

I am still surprised about the lack of depth signings. We can't see Puempel as a good top 12 option, can we? Without Fast, that gives us two openings in the top 12 up front out of camp. I know we haven't had a 1st in a while, but are we really counting on Lias to make it out of the gate? Think as a rule of thumb you don't count on any 18 y/o not named Crosby or McDavid. What's holding up getting 2-3 guys like in the mold of Jooris, Gerbe and co?

Are we awaiting a buy-out/trade of Staal?

Are we waiting for Kerfoot? I've never seen him, but he got chemistry with Vesey and isn't his stats pretty good? I've seen a lot of Da Costa, would prefer Kerfoot. The former is just not a NHLer.

I think the experts are underrating the amount of depth this teams need given there is so little talk about it. Like let's say two guys are injured in camp, it's not that unusual, and Lias isn't ready. We would have big problems filling the holes with bodies. Get a try-out in there, someone who can play but probably is AHL bound and a top 12 capable player into the mix. We need more depth.
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Seems like management is high on guys like Nieves and Fontaine making the team.

I think we should see at least two depth forwards added before training camp, but the above could explain the lack of urgency in that department.
 
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