Proposal: Roster Building Thread Part IV: High Hopes

[Gardner McKay]

I think the actual trade was bad. If that's the best that JG could get for Stepan, he should've said: "thanks, but no thanks", and been more than happy to keep him.

I mentioned later on that Rassumussen is debatable.

Correct. I'm not saying that in a vacuum I want Franson more than Smith. I'm saying that I'd rather have Franson at 1 than Smith at 4.35.

I don't know how unfair it is. All reports point to Shattenkirk coming to the Rangers with that deal, and not vice versa. Bully to JG for saying "yes" to an obvious move? Not from me. I'm ecstatic that we have Shattenkirk on that deal, but I'm hesitant to give credit to Gorton for it. Whoever was GM of the Rangers at this moment would make the same deal. It wasn't JG dependent, it was Rangers dependent.

Reports were out there for a long time that the Rangers didn't want Shattenkirk on a 6-7 year deal. Shattenkirk knew what he had to do at that point if he wanted to play for the Rangers. It was brilliantly played by Gorton.

 

[Thirty One]

So... Markov isn't going back to Montreal. Their GM is up there as one of the worst in the league. Any chance we could send Staal to Montreal?

Staal has played two playoff series in Montreal. I'm sure he hates Habs fans as much as I do.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Staal has played two playoff series in Montreal. I'm sure he hates Habs fans as much as I do.

B-b-but... I can dream, can't I?

 

[Thirty One]

B-b-but... I can dream, can't I?

No, sorry.

 

[silverfish]

You could also say that JG's flat out refusal to give a 6+ year deal made Shattenkirk acquiesce and come to JG with the ultimate deal they settled on.

The evidence points to that being more of the case then the contract just being thrown into JG's lap and he was just the recipient of good fortune.

He wouldn't be a Ranger if he insisted on the longer term. imo

Definitely a fair point.

I will give Gorton credit for playing hard to get with a player motivated to come to the Rangers.

Was Andersson a reach at 7? I don't know. The only scouting organization that I know for sure had him ranked higher than 13 is the New York Rangers, though.

Yep. Good point on Shatty.

Right. All I'm saying is that I, personally, believe that Andersson was a reach. That three or four players selected after him were likely BPA before Andersson was. Maybe Andersson was the best pick for the Rangers because his position, and "safeness", and NHL readiness, but I don't believe for a second that he was BPA.

Thus, I can only hope, that the Rangers made every effort to trade down. But, if they couldn't trade down, which who knows if they tried and could not or didn't try at all, then I'd rather them have gone with a player, whom I believe, to be better than Andersson.

Reports were out there for a long time that the Rangers didn't want Shattenkirk on a 6-7 year deal. Shattenkirk knew what he had to do at that point if he wanted to play for the Rangers. It was brilliantly played by Gorton.

Right. Good point x3.

 

[RiffyNYR61]

I will give Gorton credit for playing hard to get with a player motivated to come to the Rangers.

Was Andersson a reach at 7? I don't know. The only scouting organization that I know for sure had him ranked higher than 13 is the New York Rangers, though.

LA Kings were going to take him at 11.

 

[Mac n Gs]

So while we still try to solve our depth C issues, would Vlad Kamanev be available in Nashville? Really good year in the AHL and can play a gritty two game

 

[Thirty One]

LA Kings were going to take him at 11.

Yeah, and I should clarify that the spot I saw him ranked 13th was McKenzie's consensus rankings. And for a consensus rankings to have him at 13, obviously some would need to have him higher than 13.

Source on LA though?

 

[Thirty One]

So while we still try to solve our depth C issues, would Vlad Kamanev be available in Nashville? Really good year in the AHL and can play a gritty two game

Nashville's not overloaded with centers. For that reason, I think it would be tough.

 

[Fugazy]

LA Kings were going to take him at 11.

Where did you hear this mentioned?

 

[Mikos87]

So while we still try to solve our depth C issues, would Vlad Kamanev be available in Nashville? Really good year in the AHL and can play a gritty two game

Doubtful, historically they trade picks over prospects.

They've got an excellent pipeline, and one they develop through the AHL.

Rangers were doing that during the Torts era but got away from it for bit.

I still think they're going to go for a 4th line match up center.

Girgensons, Brodziak type.

Holden for Girgensons helps both teams. BUF more so than NYR. But a needs a need.

 

[Boruto]

They announced the Girardi buyout prior to the buyout window opening on June 14th 1PM ET. The buyout window opens tomorrow, the third day after the settlement which was Tuesday. Any second now boys. Just gotta keep refreshing that page.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

You wanted Gorton to trade the Chytil pick to dump Girardi. Keep Stepan. Keep Brassard. Keep pushing for the Cup with Lundqvist on the roster. How is the feasible? That's a better plan?

I wouldn't agree with it, but it's at least a point of view. Squeeze Shatty in. Keep Stepan. Trade a pick to shed a contract.

Right now they made just enough moves to pick 20 again after winning a round or two. Traded their 1C for very questionable futures. Will be extremely lucky to get a 1C/1D based on who they targeted. Mediocrity. No man's land.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Doubtful, historically they trade picks over prospects.

They've got an excellent pipeline, and one they develop through the AHL.

Rangers were doing that during the Torts era but got away from it for bit.

I still think they're going to go for a 4th line match up center.

Girgensons, Brodziak type.

Holden for Girgensons helps both teams. BUF more so than NYR. But a needs a need.

Would Girgensons actually be available? I'd do that trade easily.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I would have taken Andersson over pretty much anyone else available

Maybe Middlestat but that's about it. Rasmussen is trash

Edit: Suzuki as well but that would have been a reach as well

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Suzuki is going to be the player the NYR regret

 

[Mac n Gs]

RIP your Staal to Florida dreams

 

[Fugazy]

RIP your Staal to Florida dreams

Gone far too soon

 

[Gardner McKay]

Would Girgensons actually be available? I'd do that trade easily.

Yep. That would be a great deal for us.

 

[Mikos87]

Would Girgensons actually be available? I'd do that trade easily.

Depends, that 15-15 year he had in 60 games sticks out as an outlier at this point.

BUF needs defensemen, and Holden helps them have a bunch of 3,4,5 guys with number 1.

They don't need centers since they have a number of those and Girgs is pushed down the depth chart.

 

[Levitate]

I wouldn't agree with it, but it's at least a point of view. Squeeze Shatty in. Keep Stepan. Trade a pick to shed a contract.

Right now they made just enough moves to pick 20 again after winning a round or two. Traded their 1C for very questionable futures. Will be extremely lucky to get a 1C/1D based on who they targeted. Mediocrity. No man's land.

I'd argue keepign Stepan and giving up the pick etc etc is probably about hte same position

 

[Savant]

Gone far too soon

It's okay. Montre-Staal lives.

 

[Ola]

Gone far too soon

You are jumping to conclusions. Staal has 4 years remaining, Markov will probably get a 2 year deal. Max 3 years. We can definitely be talking about Staal to Florida in 2020.

 

[Gardner McKay]

It's okay. Montre-Staal lives.

Well played.

 

[silverfish]

RIP your Staal to Florida dreams

I'd say it's likely they send Demers out if they bring in Markov. I'd love to bring Demers here, wanted him last off-season, but they're going to move Demers to shed cap, and I don't think we make a good trading partner for them if that's the case.