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Proposal: Roster Building Thread Part IV: High Hopes

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NickyFotiu said:
I hope we do something because unless PB and Vesey make large improvements I think we are still lacking a bit up front.
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I am confident that PB will make large improvements. Not as much with Vesey but its possible.

Vesey at times last year looked like a real difference maker, but also disappeared for half the season.

PB looked great when he had any kind of extended playing time. We just need to give him that time. If he is neutered by the AV wheel of random accountability then he won't improve.
 
Dr Chin Richalds said:
I am confident that PB will make large improvements. Not as much with Vesey but its possible.

Vesey at times last year looked like a real difference maker, but also disappeared for half the season.

PB looked great when he had any kind of extended playing time. We just need to give him that time. If he is neutered by the AV wheel of random accountability then he won't improve.
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I think coming to a new country all alone and not speaking the language would be tough on anyone but having the added pressure of being a rookie to the North American game was even tougher on PB. I'm hopeful that he will feel much more comfortable this season and with any luck that will show up on the ice as well. :)

Vesey has the size, skating and shooting skills to be a player but he has to slow the game down in his head. If he does that he should be a 20 goal scorer. He also has to improve how he makes and receives passes. He actually is better than many young players inside the hashmarks. He knows how to go strong to the net and protect the puck.

Hopefully both improve a lot but we need a real all star level forward upfront. The kind we had in Gabs for a couple of seasons. The guy that other teams look at and feel they need to game plan around stopping.
 
NickyFotiu said:
I think coming to a new country all alone and not speaking the language would be tough on anyone but having the added pressure of being a rookie to the North American game was even tougher on PB. I'm hopeful that he will feel much more comfortable this season and with any luck that will show up on the ice as well. :)

Vesey has the size, skating and shooting skills to be a player but he has to slow the game down in his head. If he does that he should be a 20 goal scorer. He also has to improve how he makes and receives passes. He actually is better than many young players inside the hashmarks. He knows how to go strong to the net and protect the puck.

Hopefully both improve a lot but we need a real all star level forward upfront. The kind we had in Gabs for a couple of seasons. The guy that other teams look at and feel they need to game plan around stopping.
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Buch has the real potential to become that IMO
 
Gardner McKay said:
He needs to come to camp having gained the 20 pounds that Hayes will lose again this off season.

If PB can become a 20 - 20 guy, I will be happy. I think people may be overestimating this kids potential simply because he is the nicest forward prospect we have had in some time.
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You're probably right.

The reality is its all speculation until we see what he his when he plays with full confidence.

He has not done that yet.
 
NYR Viper said:
I was watching Andersson last night and he looks very good. The comment Ola mentioned the other day holds true though, he lacks an explosive first step. He may well push for a spot but I am thinking they send him back to Frolunda for a season and he plays in both the WJC as well as the Olympics for Sweden.
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Andersson reminds me a lot of Chris Drury; the Colorado version.
 
Alluckks said:
I'm actually actively rooting for the Leafs to fail now because of how insufferable that fanbase is on here when they have anything to root for.
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Welcome to the life of a Canadian hockey fan. Even when the Leafs sucked, they still get far and away the most media coverage. And (probably just due to sheer volume) they have many, many more irrational fans who jump from 'blow it up' one month to 'plan the parade' in the next. Easily my most disliked team. I primarily cheer for the Rangers to win, but a close second is for the Leafs to lose.
 
Eh, i think it's pretty reasonable to think Buchnevich can become a 60+ point player, it's obviously not a given though.
But he did have ~0.5 PPG with limited ice-time and without a set spot on the PP, his 5v5 /60 numbers were sky high.
 
Having lived in Florida and seeing too many of their games, Jagr isn't done, unless NHL exec's want to spread that narrative. He can still drive play and he gives the Rangers a forward that can cycle and control the puck in the other teams defensive zone, something the Rangers lack. That said, on the Rangers he would have to be a bottom 6 guy imo. Also the Rangers should control his ice time in addition to resting him. He should not play 82 games. If you can manage icetime/games then he would be a fantastic pick up.

My only concern would be AV would play him to death and by season's end he would be shot. I don't care what anyone says, even with his work ethic, he practices extra every day I saw it many times over, there's no 40+ year old than can keep up with the pace and demands of the modern NHL.
 
Does anyone actually know what Jagr would accept? If he is hoping for something in the 4-5 range he may not be willing to come for some thing in the 2-2.5 range.
 
Geez he wants more than 2m!? How much does he get from Social Security?
 
it appears Zadorov is close to re-signing with the Avs. That would have been a HUGE blow to the Avs if he walked. He's the last piece still around from the ROR trade?
 
Gardner McKay said:
He needs to come to camp having gained the 20 pounds that Hayes will lose again this off season.

If PB can become a 20 - 20 guy, I will be happy. I think people may be overestimating this kids potential simply because he is the nicest forward prospect we have had in some time.
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20-20 isn't even as good as Kreider, Miller, Hayes, etc.

Buchnevich has more skill than those players, he has the potential to be better. I'm not sure that he has 70+ point potential or something but I could see him cracking 60 points on the regular. Finding the way to reach that potential will always be the bigger question.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
Because DTM really advocates for using one metric as the end all be all, yup... He really just goes "This is my new model, it's 100% accurate and whatever ranking comes out of it is the truth, Carl Hagelin is the 2nd best player in the league, now shut it peasants".

He tweeted out the rankings of his new metric he's working on, with no context as to what it involved, maybe don't make grand statements about it?
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I'm not getting into this. He might be a smart guy but I personally think he's a horrible analyst not to mention being incredibly rude. He's like a baseball pitcher who throws 100 mph but isn't very good. Has all the tools to do so but is missing some key things as well. If you create a model that outputs something like that it's clearly incorrect/not complete and there's no point even posting it. Keep working on it, tweaking it, and fine tuning until you get a more reasonable result and don't post every single iteration. And no I'm not saying a model should be perfect (or necessarily agree with conventional wisdom) but when you get egregious results like that something is obviously very very wrong and if you're posting it it should be asking for help working on it not to defend it (which he didn't do this time but there was the great Shea Weber is the best player in the NHL saga two years ago for about a day until he posted something like "oops messed up one of my inputs he's not even close!")

There's a lot more to analytics than just making models. Extensive review and testing is a major part for one.

NYR Viper said:
I'd sign up right now for Jagr on a 1 year deal at around $2.5m. Play him on the 3rd line
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Jagr really deserves more than that but it seems he's not going to get it since teams are so afraid of older players. His production is a lot better than many younger players and players who got more money.
 
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The biggest thing that Buchnevich can do is come to camp in better condition. If he does that he should take a big step this year. He was just too damn scrawny last year. I believe he's been working at the Ben Prentiss hockey camp over the summer so I'm expecting a big improvement.
 
add jagr for just money on a 1 year incentivized deal. at this point, the guy just wants to keep playing and hopefully that means meaningful games in the spring. agree, limit his minutes so hes got legs for the entire season. lots of pp time and a regular 3rd line shift with some speed on it.

grabner andersson and jagr would be interesting for sure.

add him to this lineup and i can live with the middle of the ice looking like

mika
hayes
jtm
DD

or

mika
hayes
andersson
DD

either way, adding jagr makes us better right away and adds an element we lack.

go and sign him JG.
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
People are aware Buch trained with Prentiss last summer right?
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Yeah I think it was more the adjustment to the NHL than him being in terrible shape or something. He's not going to be this big thick player no matter how much he trains. Big thing will be making sure the back issues are resolved.
 
I think PB will be bigger this season after a year in NA. If not from training maybe just from his body maturing (or even eating McDonalds).
 
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