Haven't heard the Rangers linked to Duchene once.
Perhaps thats the way the FO wants it, but I doubt it. He isn't coming here.
Perhaps thats the way the FO wants it, but I doubt it. He isn't coming here.
Proposal: Roster Building Thread Part IV: High Hopes
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silverfish
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Would it be possible for the potential discord and toxicity of having Duchene back in the locker room be too undesirable that Sakic is willing to trade for something other than (Top 4 young D + roster player + pick) in August/September? Maybe it can changed to a younger RFA status center and a good decent young D?
If he sticks with his asking price and the exact pieces that he wants from other teams (NYR: Skjei), no trading partner is going to magically emerge at this juncture of the off season. By the trade deadline, Duchene's value will be even lower with all the other rentals that are going to be available at that time even if Duchene isn't a rental. 1/2 year less value.
Teams like Carolina who has inquired plenty aren't willing to commit their future prospects to Duchene who is very likely going to explore free agency no matter which team he's traded to unless the team is Nashville or Montreal.
Sakic has been trying to trade Duchene for about 1.5 years now with no results to show for. Once the season starts, his value is going to start to dip day by day. No team is ever going to give up the what Colorado considers "a new direction for the franchise" for a stop gap 1.5-2 year player that's going to free agency.
Montreal signed Galchenyuk, dealt Sergachev for Druoin. They filled a need for a forward and dealt away their young talented D prospect. Columbus has Murray to offer and I'm sure Colorado is valuing a depreciated Murray less than Sergachev or one of the top 4 in Nashville so the add would have to be substantial. It's likely caused Columbus to back away when there were heated conversations. The Islanders dealt Hamonic and acquired Eberle. I don't think they have the young D that Sakic is looking for either. A lot of their assets on the dealing table turned into picks. Nashville is the only legitimate trading partner with the right pieces, cap space, and need that will be able to hammer out an extension with Duchene over the course of the remainder of his contract.
Sakic's only hope is Nashville at this point if he sticks to his asking price. Columbus might decide to go all-in all-in and add a great deal to Murray to facilitate the deal and open a 2 year window. The Islanders might panic and decide to go all-in to make the playoffs and convince Tavares to stay but then Duchene is only there for 2 years. Their arena and 2C might fall out from under them at the same time even if they get Duchene.
Skjei at $925K plus RFA status for a potential 5-7 year contract at roughly the same AAV as Duchene makes it an absolute no trade if it's for 2 years of Duchene. Carolina would have to weaken their current defense and trade away a good value 5 year contract for Duchene. Not worth it either.
The pieces he's asking for and the overall price is going to change by in a month's time. Duchene back in Colorado is going to have a terrible year. He's always been a player that let's his mood and head space completely affect his game. Lots of ups and downs under Sacco, Roy, and Bednar. Sakic is basically someone who didn't evacuate for the storm because he didn't think it was serious enough. Now the first floor of his house is flood and he's sitting around upstairs with no electricity and 20 cans of Chef Boyardee hoping the flood doesn't reach the 2nd floor. If it reaches the deadline, he'll be on the roof with a lawn chair and a 12 pack of bottled water hoping search and rescue finds him. He might get fired soon if he doesn't work out a deal for Duchene this summer.
Hire Sather
He Is Our Star
Its amazing how people decide that we won't be resigning a guy who has been one of our better forwards with no sign of decline and still 2 years left on his deal.
Fitzy
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I think it depends on what Zucc wants. He took a decent discount to sign here, and I think if he offered to again we'd bring him back.
If I'm Zucc and really really want to stay in NY, I'd offer a long contract at a significantly lower $$ figure with a NMC. That'd be my strategy.\
Playmakers have longer careers. I don't need to post all the names again. Zucc doesn't rely on speed or physical abilities, I think he will be declining more at the Sedin's age than Gaborik's.
Maximus
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Yup and that's one of the best traits I've seen from JG which is, he doesn't typically overpay in any of his transactions he's made. So Sakic is going to be **** out of luck if thinks JG is going to give up the farm for a McKinnon or a Duchene.
I know some peeps in here at the time it was made think JG overpaid a bit to get Smith at last years deadline trading our 3rd round pick this year which ended up being the 83rd overall with Wings selecting center Zach Gallant and next year's 2nd round pick we got from Ottawa in the Brass for Mika deal JG made.
I digress and think JG and our club did just fine in that deal with the Wings especially if what we saw from Smith when he came to us ends up being the norm which I have no reason to not anticipate he will.
That said, I expect Gorton to do what he's shown he'll do. He'll remain patient, not panic and see how things turn out with what we've got. I like the move he made for getting Desharnais on the cheap and truly believe he's going to be the "Grabner type steal" JG got for us last year seeing DD will be playing with better player and he's much better suited for a bottom 6 role as there will be no pressure on him at all.
I'd expect JG to wait in the weeds and if someone becomes available along the lines of a Bozak that he thinks will make us better, he'll pounce and won't overpay either.
We are in very very good hands with JG. I know I say it alot and have for a few years now since he's taken over but I can't tell you how impressed I am with JG's decision making and evaluation skills. Under JG's stewardship, I'd be shocked if we don't have another very successful regular season and make the playoffs quite comfortably.
Those of you doubters in here of our team are the same people who doubted us last year when our defense was a sieve and our goaltending was shaky way too much. I truly believe our center ice issue isn't going to be as big a deal as some are making it out to be. The upgrades in the back end will help offset any deficiencies up the middle in the meantime and so long as our goaltending is up to snuff which I have not doubt it will be, we'll be just fine and will contend for the division.
JG at the deadline will address any issue if need be up the middle at that time. I for one am pumped up for what looks like it's going to be a tremendously exciting season. And it's because of Gorton that is the main reason for this. He really has been spectacular since having been given the keys to the car. Sather's best move in his whole tenor as the boss is IMO finding Gorton and bringing him here.
We are very lucky my friends to have JG leading us....don't ever take that for granted....
Maximus
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I think your right other than the Andersson part. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if Andersson impressed so much in camp that team kept him with the big club and he played meaningful minutes in the bottom 6. That would be a good sign. Not thinking that will happen tho but it's definitely not out of the question. Head brass loves the kid and so he'll be given every opportunity to impress. More likely Nieves breaks camp as the #4 center but like I said...I hope your right and that Andersson plays so well, he beats out Nieves and he forces teams hand and breaks camp with the big club....we'll see soon enough.
Funny...it's just the beginning of August and 90 ****ing degrees pretty much every day and yet I'm chomping at the bit for training camp to start...haha
Glen Sathers Cigar
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Because DTM really advocates for using one metric as the end all be all, yup... He really just goes "This is my new model, it's 100% accurate and whatever ranking comes out of it is the truth, Carl Hagelin is the 2nd best player in the league, now shut it peasants".
He tweeted out the rankings of his new metric he's working on, with no context as to what it involved, maybe don't make grand statements about it?
BBKers
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Amazing Kreiderman
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For years I felt sorry for the fans. And I wanted them to succeed. But you are right. Especially the main boards are awful. Every debate, sooner or later, turns into a Leafs thread
offdacrossbar
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still say we should offer jagr an incentive laden 1 yr deal. hes still got 40 points plus easy in that big body of his and on this roster, he may go higher. give him top 9 minutes and loads of pp time and let him do his thing.
hes still a freak and in terrific shape. puck possession is crazy and hes still effective even though hes not a "speed" guy. hes damn smart and able to score.
dump holdens $$ and give it to jagr.
move 33 yr old rick nash for a prospect/pick and dump his 7.8 mil. let jagr have his minutes and replace his production at a fraction of the cost.
you give me this top 12 and im pretty stoked starting the season
ck zib zucc
miller hayes buch
vesey andersson jagr
grabs DD nieves/fast
hes still a freak and in terrific shape. puck possession is crazy and hes still effective even though hes not a "speed" guy. hes damn smart and able to score.
dump holdens $$ and give it to jagr.
move 33 yr old rick nash for a prospect/pick and dump his 7.8 mil. let jagr have his minutes and replace his production at a fraction of the cost.
you give me this top 12 and im pretty stoked starting the season
ck zib zucc
miller hayes buch
vesey andersson jagr
grabs DD nieves/fast
NickyFotiu
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I hope we do something because unless PB and Vesey make large improvements I think we are still lacking a bit up front.
I think whatever GM lands him is going to look like a genius. Especially if he can get him at the right price. Duchene is a dynamic player and he's going to be a guy with something to prove on a new team. He'd be an excellent fit with the Rangers, but unfortunately I don't see the right mix of pieces being available to send to Colorado. Not to mention the obvious cap implications.
Raspewtin
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I'd do it just to watch RB have an aneurysm
Let some Jagr being a great player still.
East Coast Bias
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That forward group loooks a hell of a lot weaker and less creative without Zucc
His impact is severely underrated here.
His impact is severely underrated here.
Kocur Dill
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Do what Detroit did years ago.
Chytil-Andersson-Jagr
Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Hull
2 Kids & a Goat line 2.0
Just kidding. I really want Chytil back in Czech 2 years, Anderson back to SEL 1. But it's a fanciful idea.
silverfish
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A good way to mitigate center-deficiencies is by having very good wingers that can carry play.
There's one of those guys sitting out there for free. Have Jagr carry whoever ends up being this team's 3C this year.
You have Kreider, Nash, and Jagr on separate lines, you have three wingers who can do that.
There's one of those guys sitting out there for free. Have Jagr carry whoever ends up being this team's 3C this year.
You have Kreider, Nash, and Jagr on separate lines, you have three wingers who can do that.
NickyFotiu
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For months people have been talking about getting a top center but I keep saying I'd be happy with an elite type winger. Once you cross the offensive blue line (sometimes even the red line) positions often go out the window. You can win with a good (not elite) center who is solid in both ends if you have a great winger by his side.
Irishguy42
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Kreider-ZBad-Zucc
Nash-Hayes-Buch
Miller-Andersson-Jagr
Grabner-DD-Vesey
Puempel
Until Fast comes back, then....I don't know.
Could be a decent lineup.
That's a decent lineup, depending on how the
Nash-Hayes-Buch
Miller-Andersson-Jagr
Grabner-DD-Vesey
Puempel
Until Fast comes back, then....I don't know.
Could be a decent lineup.
That's a decent lineup, depending on how the
NYR Viper
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I was watching Andersson last night and he looks very good. The comment Ola mentioned the other day holds true though, he lacks an explosive first step. He may well push for a spot but I am thinking they send him back to Frolunda for a season and he plays in both the WJC as well as the Olympics for Sweden.
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