Wow this thread has become a RB bash thread. Sounds like fun...
It's always the same people. I don't care. I think it's funny. It's a hockey message board.
Proposal: Roster Building Thread Part IV: High Hopes
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It's always the same people. I don't care. I think it's funny. It's a hockey message board.
Oscar Lindberg
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Zuccarello is one of my favorite players
I don't want to trade him. However if the right deal comes along that will bring back a future core piece, I would trade him.
But I'm not trading him because he's over the age of 28 and he'll be a UFA soon
The whole get younger thing has become a meme at this point
I don't want to trade him. However if the right deal comes along that will bring back a future core piece, I would trade him.
But I'm not trading him because he's over the age of 28 and he'll be a UFA soon
The whole get younger thing has become a meme at this point
silverfish
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Sometimes it's also about value to team currently, no?
Keeping a guy like Yandle made sense because the Rangers needed him for the playoff run. Same argument for Zuccarello. He's a major piece of a team that is still trying to compete. He's important to the team. He's arguably the second best winger on the team. That's a tough piece to trade when you're trying to compete. Chances are, the value JG asks for in a Zuccarello trade far outweighs what his actual market value is.
Kaapo Cabana
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I like to say I appreciate Rangerboys perspective on topics . I might not agree with every single thing but he definitely brings a different view on things and his facts always seem to be spot on .
It's a message board on the internet , some of you guys need to relax lol
It's a message board on the internet , some of you guys need to relax lol
Idlerlee
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Can you name a cup winner that had no to few players under the age of 29 on the roster?
I don't get the fascination with trading anyone that nears a certain age. If that's the metric for making a trade, we're never going anywhere.
Would you have a problem with this opinion if he were suggesting that they move a player other than Zuccarello?
NYRSchrute217
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I think it's pretty obvious that RB (and he's not alone) wants Zuccarello to be traded if it brings back someone that can help the team for the next 7-10 years rather than re-signing him at 32 with who knows how many good years left.
Zuccarello is a popular player, but there's no reason not to consider moving him. He had the best value in a trade of any of the forwards we have on the roster, save for MAYBE Kreider.
Oscar Lindberg
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I think the bolded really nails it
silverfish has said multiple times (and I agree) that you could argue Zuccarello's value is more to the Rangers than to any other team.
If Sakic goes off his rocker and wants to trade MacKinnon for Zucarello straight up, that's great. But as fish said in his last sentence, his actual value is probably less than we would want and probably more valuable to the team
silverfish
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Don't think people disagree with the logic behind trading Zucc, or any player for that matter. I think people are taking issue with the motivation behind wanting to trade him for a specific poster, as well as the demeanor said poster uses when anyone tries to question his opinion.
Sort of like that one ass who won't stop trying to trade JT Miller or sign Nakladal. eyjee, I think.
Glen Sathers Cigar
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Exactly what I was going to say.
Plus you have Zucc making below market value for what he brings to the table which makes him more valuable to a team like the Rangers.
Crosby or McDavid could both fetch a fortune in a trade, but do you trade them just because it's a business and you want value? Hyperbolic example or not, the generally point of view I have is that not all situations are equal. It's not like once a player checks off a few check boxes on a list then they must be traded.
Plus it's not like Zucc's play has diminished at all or anything like that, he's still a legitimate first liner and showed zero signs of anything close to slowing down.
Fitzy
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What I find funny is that RB keeps saying "Its a business," and then consistently argues that this team isn't trying to compete- that we are going through a rebuilding stage in hopes of winning a cup-
Cups aren't the only part of a good business. Making the playoffs every season is AWESOME for revenue, cups or no cups. Financially the Rangers are better off making the 2nd round each year than going through a 5 year rebuild for 2 stanley cups.
Much, much more to a business than building a pure contender.
Cups aren't the only part of a good business. Making the playoffs every season is AWESOME for revenue, cups or no cups. Financially the Rangers are better off making the 2nd round each year than going through a 5 year rebuild for 2 stanley cups.
Much, much more to a business than building a pure contender.
Kaapo Cabana
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This is a very good point.
From a business perspective this stretch of years has probably been by far the best we have ever had.
We are the most valuable NHL Franchise after all (as of 2016, but probably still true)
Idlerlee
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Yeah I would.
Any chance you can keep opinions like that to yourself? My point is valid, no reason to discredit it with ridiculous statements.
Hire Sather
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He called him Zooks. You pettily said his name is Zuccarello.
You get flack because almost all your posts show the agenda you're trying to push. Take the L on Zuccarello already. You re wrong. He is one of our best players on a bargain of 4.5 mill. Youre going on and on about a bad month in 13-14 as your basis for him being overrated. Downright ridiculous.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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Wow this thread has become a RB bash thread. Sounds like fun...
Better, and more deserved, than an RB suck fest.
It's not an invalid statement, was just wondering if it was really what you felt or if it was a Zucc thing since you know, you were the one who pitched a fit when someone suggested that they move him for Trouba.
NickyFotiu
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You are right but the Zooks business is just a deflection. Could be about telling us to "bottom out" in October 2013 since we are not making the playoffs (in October sheesh). Could be about saying we must sign Cally. Could be about saying we should dump 4 of our dmen including Stralman but keep MDZ. Could be about calling a poster stupid last week. There are other things at play but I said what I had to say so now its time to get back to trading Holden and Staal for Nate Mckinnon lol
NYR Viper
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sedins
Henrik Sedin could be a good get for the year. Would they take Staal (portion retained) and graves/zboro and a mid round pick for Henrik? Vancouver gets staal and young assets.
I'd even take both Sedins, but Henrik at veteran 2/3 c +pp time would look nice right now. Is vancouver prepared to lose him for nothing?
Henrik Sedin could be a good get for the year. Would they take Staal (portion retained) and graves/zboro and a mid round pick for Henrik? Vancouver gets staal and young assets.
I'd even take both Sedins, but Henrik at veteran 2/3 c +pp time would look nice right now. Is vancouver prepared to lose him for nothing?
If Vancouver has no hopes of a playoff push by the deadline it would be moronic of them to try and not get something in return for the Sedins before they hit UFA.
NYR Viper
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Looking towards next off-season, I wonder what both Sedin's would take on a 1-2 year deal with the Rangers. Henrik would make a nice stop-gap for a year or two if he would take a $4-$4.5m deal.
NickyFotiu
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My dad doesn't like Zooks. Zooks isn't really the issue. A poster can hate Zooks all they want but they should show at least a minimal amount of respect to other posters. Calling a poster stupid is not a good way to go.
I have had disagreements with Silverfish, Kreiderman, etc but we didn't call each other stupid. We all just realized I was right in a respectful manner and moved on.
With that said I have gone out of line on occasion and I have apologized.
I have had disagreements with Silverfish, Kreiderman, etc but we didn't call each other stupid. We all just realized I was right in a respectful manner and moved on.
With that said I have gone out of line on occasion and I have apologized.
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