Proposal: Roster Building Thread Part IV: High Hopes

[East Coast Bias]

eh I like Johansen a lot so if he was on the Rangers I would be fine with giving him that contract.

He's 24 and they bought basically all UFA years. He will put up 60+ points every year until that contract is over

People would have absolutely lost their minds if we signed Johansen to an 8x8 contract

It would be hilarious.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/7/27/16020408/nhl-trade-rumors-new-york-rangers-a-matt-duchene-trade-make-sense



https://bluelinestation.com/2017/07/28/new-york-rangers-trade-targets-jonathan-marchessault-vegas-golden-knights/



http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/markov-s-departure-leaves-canadiens-defense-with-a-hole-they-may-not-be-able-to-fill

I know this will be very unpopular but if we go for a legit 1C, I'd rather trade McD over Skjei and get a better return. Skjei is trending into 1D McD territory while McD is up for a huge contract in 2 years. A deal around Skjei nets us a good 2C but with McD we should have our pick of 1Cs on bottom teams. I await the hate.

 

[Larouche to Bears]

give tavares whatever he wants

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Tavares isn't going to reach FA, players of his calibre never does.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

I know this will be very unpopular but if we go for a legit 1C, I'd rather trade McD over Skjei and get a better return. Skjei is trending into 1D McD territory while McD is up for a huge contract in 2 years. A deal around Skjei nets us a good 2C but with McD we should have our pick of 1Cs on bottom teams. I await the hate.

I agree, but not because of Skjei that much. More because McDonaghs next contract is going to be huge and he's not exactly been exempt from injuries, that next contract might not look amazing.

 

[Vitto79]

Not gonna lie I'm scared w Hayes at 2nd C. D is better but ugh could use another option

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Weird offseason it literally hit quiet levels of August by June 10th.

Rangers do need some more depth now with Fast injured to start the year and not having a backup plan in case Anderson is not ready and Nieves needs more time in the AHL.

I fully expect some ATOs like a Chiasson or Winnik in camp. Every team has them. Winnie or Vanek would make the most sense.

Maybe they're waiting until the buyout period ends and college UFAs to make some deals. Cheap ELCs with some growing pains over vets with 4-6 year terms is the name of the game nowadays. The league has pretty much become the NFL-lite.

 

[cd211]

I know this will be very unpopular but if we go for a legit 1C, I'd rather trade McD over Skjei and get a better return. Skjei is trending into 1D McD territory while McD is up for a huge contract in 2 years. A deal around Skjei nets us a good 2C but with McD we should have our pick of 1Cs on bottom teams. I await the hate.

100% agree and I think we should.. 2 years left on his deal perfect time but we won't..

 

[TheTakedown]

no NMC or NTC clause of any kind apparently. That may have given RyJo some more money. Even if he doesn't end up being with the 8M AAV, they'll be able to find a suitor for an equitable trade one way or another. We would have fared better had Stepan's clause not kick in July 1st.

Did not know that thanks

 

[kovazub94]

People would have absolutely lost their minds if we signed Johansen to an 8x8 contract

It would be hilarious.

He sold 3 more UFA years than Ziba. Probably would've added about a $1m or so to his contract, and I agree, there would be a lot of people flipping out.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I mean I think it's always helpful to have 4th liners who are good players and not just crappy punch guys or players who will get pinned in their own zone every time they step on the ice, but since you're not playing them a ton of minutes per game it's not like they have to be bigtime scorers

You are right about not having our 4th line pinned in but if we could have a great top 9 group with guys like Crosby, Malkin, and Kessel I would be okay having borderline nhl guys like Hrvik, Pirri, etc on our 4th line.

 

[NickyFotiu]

People would have absolutely lost their minds if we signed Johansen to an 8x8 contract

It would be hilarious.

I like the player but I would not want that contract. He scored 14 goals last season in 82 games. He score 14 goals in 80 games the season before that. Not worth 8 mill by 8 years IMO.

 

[Fitzy]

I like the player but I would not want that contract. He scored 14 goals last season in 82 games. He score 14 goals in 80 games the season before that. Not worth 8 mill by 8 years IMO.

That's the new price for a 1A center. He's not Crosby level but he is a full step up from Stepan/Duchene types.

Tavares should be looking for 9-10 million if that is the market.

 

[NickyFotiu]

That's the new price for a 1A center. He's not Crosby level but he is a full step up from Stepan/Duchene types.

Tavares should be looking for 9-10 million if that is the market.

Better for somebody else to pay it. We may get more goals/points from Zibs, Kreider, Zooks, Miller, and Hayes for less money/less years. I'm 100% ready to pay up for an elite forward (does not have to be a center) but I'm not willing to commit to that kind of money/years for that kind of production.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I would do crazy things to get JT91 here. Slimmest of chances of that happening and I won't lose sleep over it but put him here and we could legitimately start taking Championship.

 

[SA16]

I think it's pretty safe to say Tavares is going to get 11M

 

[NickyFotiu]

I would do crazy things to get JT91 here. Slimmest of chances of that happening and I won't lose sleep over it but put him here and we could legitimately start taking Championship.

I do not know what kind of contract he will settle for but if he wants to stay in the NY area we would be a very attractive alternative to the Islanders.

 

[Beacon]

I know this will be very unpopular but if we go for a legit 1C, I'd rather trade McD over Skjei and get a better return. Skjei is trending into 1D McD territory while McD is up for a huge contract in 2 years. A deal around Skjei nets us a good 2C but with McD we should have our pick of 1Cs on bottom teams. I await the hate.

I agree with all of this.

 

[Beacon]

Better for somebody else to pay it. We may get more goals/points from Zibs, Kreider, Zooks, Miller, and Hayes for less money/less years. I'm 100% ready to pay up for an elite forward (does not have to be a center) but I'm not willing to commit to that kind of money/years for that kind of production.

If Tavares gets $1.5 more than we are presently paying Nash, and the cap is likely to increase by at least that amount, why is that horrible? As percentage of the cap, Tavares at $9.5 would be making the same as Nash at $7.8 when we got him.

In 2012 and (2013-14), the cap was $64.3 so Nash was 12.13% of the cap. Assuming the cap goes up a couple million next year, Tavares at $9.5 would be 12.33% of the cap. Even if the cap remains the same as this year, Tavares would be 12.67% of the cap. Very much in the same ballpark as Nash when we got him. And Tavares is a far superior player to Nash, not even in the same ballpark.

 

[NickyFotiu]

If Tavares gets $1.5 more than we are presently paying Nash, and the cap is likely to increase by at least that amount, why is that horrible? As percentage of the cap, Tavares at $9.5 would be making the same as Nash at $7.8 when we got him.

In 2012 and (2013-14), the cap was $64.3 so Nash was 12.13% of the cap. Assuming the cap goes up a couple million next year, Tavares at $9.5 would be 12.33% of the cap. Even if the cap remains the same as this year, Tavares would be 12.67% of the cap. Very much in the same ballpark as Nash when we got him. And Tavares is a far superior player to Nash, not even in the same ballpark.

My post was a continuation about a Johanson discussion not Tavares

I'd like JT at anything from 5-8 years

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I do not know what kind of contract he will settle for but if he wants to stay in the NY area we would be a very attractive alternative to the Islanders.

Even if he wanted to stay in N.Y. and took a bit less to do so, say $9MM AAV, Rangers would have to move someone out likely. They have $51.6MM committed to 11 players and have to resign Skjei, Miller, Hayes and Vesey.

If the cap went up to say $78MM next season, they would have to sign 11 players with about $25MM in cap space. If you buyout Staal I believe if I remember right that saves about $3MM, so $28MM in cap space, need to sign 12 players and operate the team.

I think they go 4 years on Skjei because I believe if he signs 5 it will take him right to UFA. I may be off a year. Would 4x4 be fair? Down to 24MM.

Miller will cost around Zbad, say 5x5 to keep the numbers round. 19MM.

Sign Tavares to 6x9. 10MM with 9 more players to sign.

Unless Vesey has a break out year 2x3 will be a good number for him. 7MM left.

Hayes should get less the Miller, say 5x4. 3MM left for 7 players.

Not going to work out. Unless they sell high on Miller or Hayes of they feel Andersson will be ready for a top 9 center role in 2018-19. Or move out a Zucc before the last year of his deal. Even then the numbers likely wouldn't work out.

 

[Ola]

Tavares isn't for us. First of all, why get someone that want to go to the worst rival? Second of all, while he is up there he is also a little little bit too slow and so forth to really carry a team all the way.

 

[Boruto]

I know this will be very unpopular but if we go for a legit 1C, I'd rather trade McD over Skjei and get a better return. Skjei is trending into 1D McD territory while McD is up for a huge contract in 2 years. A deal around Skjei nets us a good 2C but with McD we should have our pick of 1Cs on bottom teams. I await the hate.

No hate. Skjei needs more than 1 good rookie season playing on the 2nd pair to become a #1 D. He has the type of game that could translate well and seems to have all the talent to be a #1 D but given how many great rookie seasons there are in the league every single year, it's crazy to assume that Skjei will become our #1D in short order. I don't mind having two quality two way 2nd pairing caliber LHD taking up the top and second pairing spots if trading McDonagh is going to help with the cap and returning a 1C but inking Skjei as a 1D to replace McDonagh is a bit premature.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Even if he wanted to stay in N.Y. and took a bit less to do so, say $9MM AAV, Rangers would have to move someone out likely. They have $51.6MM committed to 11 players and have to resign Skjei, Miller, Hayes and Vesey.

If the cap went up to say $78MM next season, they would have to sign 11 players with about $25MM in cap space. If you buyout Staal I believe if I remember right that saves about $3MM, so $28MM in cap space, need to sign 12 players and operate the team.

I think they go 4 years on Skjei because I believe if he signs 5 it will take him right to UFA. I may be off a year. Would 4x4 be fair? Down to 24MM.

Miller will cost around Zbad, say 5x5 to keep the numbers round. 19MM.

Sign Tavares to 6x9. 10MM with 9 more players to sign.

Unless Vesey has a break out year 2x3 will be a good number for him. 7MM left.

Hayes should get less the Miller, say 5x4. 3MM left for 7 players.

Not going to work out. Unless they sell high on Miller or Hayes of they feel Andersson will be ready for a top 9 center role in 2018-19. Or move out a Zucc before the last year of his deal. Even then the numbers likely wouldn't work out.

If JT looks near an elite level and will sign a reasonable contract (not 10 years) you do it and then work down. We can find the room if need be next summer.

Tavares isn't for us. First of all, why get someone that want to go to the worst rival? Second of all, while he is up there he is also a little little bit too slow and so forth to really carry a team all the way.

The Isles, Nets, and to a degree the Mets have always been the redheaded stepchild in NY. If he could move to a better situation why not do it? Pat Lafontaine played for all 3 NY hockey clubs. Cone, Gooden and Strawberry won world series with both the Mets and the Yankees.

If he is slowing down that is a different story. We do not want a guy that will decline fast. We will have to monitor that situation.

 

[Boruto]

Tavares isn't for us. First of all, why get someone that want to go to the worst rival? Second of all, while he is up there he is also a little little bit too slow and so forth to really carry a team all the way.

To destroy a fan base? Batter the depleted souls of an already disillusioned fan base?
Psychological tactics? unite future generations of NY hockey fans? Turn all of NY into Rongotown?