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I would say he doesn't want to give long-term contracts to UFAs. I don't think he'll hesitate to lock up our young guys like Skjei, Vesey, Buch, etc.
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I would say he doesn't want to give long-term contracts to UFAs. I don't think he'll hesitate to lock up our young guys like Skjei, Vesey, Buch, etc.
NickyFotiu
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I would enjoy having Stamkos as a Ranger but there was not one single day last summer where Stamkos was expected to become a Ranger. Not one single day.
Tawnos
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While Vesey had a decent rookie season, unless he progresses (likely-ish), he won't be worth a long term deal. That decision has to be made much earlier than Buchnevich, who needs to show progress this year too. At least with Buch, if he underperforms this year, you can bridge him and re-evaluate for the next deal. Don't have that options with Vesey.
As for Tavares, I think it's likely that we are past the point of Tavares being a point per game player. We have to remember that the best offensive producers generally put up their best numbers in their early 20s. There are always exceptions of course. However, Tavares might be a 0.7-0.9 P/PG guy for the duration of his next contract. Still a top line center, but not the elite type we somewhat agree we need. How much is that player worth? He's probably going to get paid as a UFA 80+ point guy. I'm not sure he ever lives up to his next contract.
Tawnos
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I seem to remember that the Rangers were involved pretty heavily during the negotiating window and Stamkos re-signed on the day or two before July 1.
NickyFotiu
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I wanted Stamkos. I'm sure several teams were interested in Stamkos but there was not one single day that legit media said Stamkos was signing with the Rangers. There was not one single day that the media even said we were the favorite to sign Stamkos. I wanted us to sign him but we were always one of the long shot teams with TB and Toronto being the favorites.
Tawnos
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I'm not sure I agree with your memory there.
https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/201...gers-reportedly-willing-to-give-massive-offer
https://www.thestar.com/sports/leaf...ven-stamkos-has-begun-in-earnest-feschuk.html
So while no one said he was definitely signing with the Rangers, the speculation was all there. Exactly the same type of speculation about Brad Richards in 2011. Toronto and Detroit are of course mentioned, as is re-signing with Tampa.
All of this smacks to me of even the hefty offers not being enough money, whether because of AAV or term, to entice Stamkos away from Florida. But it seems certain that the plan with Gorton was to bring him on board, which is really what RB was saying.
NickyFotiu
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None of those say Stamkos will be a Ranger. They say they expect the Rangers to make a large offer which may or may not have even happened. Every team interested in Stamkos would be making a large offer.
Tawnos
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Miamipuck
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Why would you want him? Not calling you out, but you have stated quite a few times you're against handing out big contracts. To get SS it would have taken a massive contract. I would venture a guess significantly more than Tampa's 8x8.5. Talk about a risky move.
Yes, he's a great player and a scorer this team desperately needs but he's been significantly injured 2 out of the last 4 years. As much as he deserves a big contract when healthy, I am glad the Rangers weren't in the running for his services. I thought his contract was a risky venture last year and I didn't want him because of it.
Anyway, I guess I did call you out....but for once it wasn't to be a dick. lol
NickyFotiu
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You are right. It was a huge risk but for such a great exciting player I was intrigued.
Tawnos
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You should consider his posting style before interpreting that sentence the way you are.
LiveLongandProspal
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I would do a Dave Bolland-type of trade to get Staal off the team. Couple Staal with like Ryan Graves and trade the both of them for pennies.
Then trade Holden and a second or a third for Bozak
Then trade Holden and a second or a third for Bozak
I don't think you'll see a Staal trade unless he proves that he shows up for every game until the trade deadline next year.
He was very cavalier in his approach last year. Was out of shape. Soft. Everything you don't want a guy with a letter on his chest to be.
There was a lack of accountability last year, but the depth is there this upcoming season to change that.
I don't think you have to bite the bullet in order to move him. I think you let him have one last shot, and you bench him outright if he doesn't prove his merit.
It's a softer league in the East now, so I'd like to see Marc impose himself a little further 5v5 and on the PK. He doesn't deserve top billing match-ups, but you hope that he can at least get some salvage value.
With the expansion draft going the way it went, teams will go to Vegas for defense rather than taking on a burdensome contract.
What's Tavares?
He made those comments after the Shattenkirk signing.
http://nypost.com/2017/07/01/rangers-make-enormous-splash-with-discount-kevin-shattenkirk/
Slats didn't hesitate handing out huge long term contracts to the group III guys. The Rangers got away with it for the Holik,Redden and Richards contract. Montreal was dumb enough to take on Gomez. Drury had one year remaining. Girardi. 6 years of the buyout money. Staal? More bad money on the books in a buyout coming soon.
Ryan Graves? You really believe he has much value to other teams?
Is in the conversation about making the Rangers this team?
The Tavares talk is grossly unrealistic.
If there is a guy that's a no 1 center that may be attainable in a year, it's Tyler Seguin.
That may happen if DAL doesn't make the playoffs again, and are faced with giving him a $9M+ extension.
Tyler isn't the type of guy that traditional hockey guys would give a huge pay day to. DAL may move on since they'll need to fill out their line up with depth.
If there is a guy that's a no 1 center that may be attainable in a year, it's Tyler Seguin.
That may happen if DAL doesn't make the playoffs again, and are faced with giving him a $9M+ extension.
Tyler isn't the type of guy that traditional hockey guys would give a huge pay day to. DAL may move on since they'll need to fill out their line up with depth.
Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
I saw this at Puck Daddy, it shows the Rangers currently in 10th place with regard to handing out NTC's:
LiveLongandProspal
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NickyFotiu
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Yes I did read this board. I did not realize that some fans on a hockey fan board hoping Stamkos would come here=Stamkos was supposed to be a Ranger in reality. I also read it in September when I believe you said more than once that Zooks would be traded after the World Cup finished.
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Either Tavares or Seguin are unrealistic possibilities to become NYR AT THIS POINT. However, the longer they continue to not sign their next contracts the more realistic of a possibility it will become. Probably more with Tavares because his potential extension (with the Isles) will include state tax impact whereas Seguin will not. Here's a math that allowed Bolts to keep Stamkos at a reasonable price they could fit under the cap: his $8.5m per year is grossed up to about 9.5m to a team with state taxes. Times eight gives you $76m that means another team had to pay him close to $11m per year just to be EQUAL in terms of salary. So any team had to come with at minimum 0.5m to compensate for other changes associated with relocation. Probably closer to $12m per.
Anyway, I will not seriously consider either of these too until the next offseason begins and they are still without a new contract.
Anyway, I will not seriously consider either of these too until the next offseason begins and they are still without a new contract.
LORDE
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Maybe I'm optimistic but if this was possible it would've been done already imo.
Graves doesn't have that much appeal to other teams. We "like" (not love) him because we have the weakest farm system in the league
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I wish one of our beat writers would write something about the buyout period going on.
Or at least tweet something
Larry is out writing about Yzerman and Marleau's speed instead (which he is incorrect about)
Or at least tweet something
Larry is out writing about Yzerman and Marleau's speed instead (which he is incorrect about)
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