Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part III: Day by Day

[RangerBoy]

I would not break the bank over Zib at this point . I would sooner get him for a reasonable amount long term at #2-3 center price based on his performance up till now and use the savings to wave at JT next Summer when he leaves the Isles ...a million or 2 extra is worth throwing at Tavares...not Mika . Overpay the right guy . Just how I would like to see it done even if it means a step back for us .

Do you believe Tavares is signing with the Rangers?

When McDavid signed his contract, the price for JT went up.

I feel bad for the team giving JT a 7 year contract worth $11M per?

Price got $10.5M for 8 to stay in Montreal.

 

[Mikos87]

BTW, did anyone know that studies made on bench management shows no positive gain from an active matching compared to not matching lines?

Quite extensive studies also show that the number of mistakes made by players on a team is more or less constant between players and between teams. In this context a pass an inch to far is not a mistake, it's more major mistakes. Forwards make a lot more mistakes than defensemen, still I've never heard a forward described as "mistake prone", while Ds often are...

That's because if a forward makes a mistake, there is a layer (defense) that can cover.

If the D makes the mistake, there is a prime scoring chance going the other way. In other words, the forward group can have their mistakes be covered by the defense, while it's up to the goalie to bail out the D.

Especially off the rush or off of turnovers.

You used to see more mistakes by forwards at the blueline, but they are so well coached now that you see less and less of that. Faster game too. Pucks get in deeper.

 

[Mikos87]

I agree with Rangerboy on Pavs. Mechanics are bad, positioning is bad.

Very athletic player, but terrible rebound control, overly aggressive, and a terrible PK goalie.

Get him moving side to side, and you'll see either goals against or a bunch of second chance opportunities.

Take his poor PK ability, and add to how undisciplined WPG was the last few years... and you have a team that loses games just based on that.

 

[kovazub94]

Valiquette was not very good.

Talbot had been in the Rangers organization for three seasons before becoming the back-up

I proposed Haggerty for Raanta trade here nine days before the trade was made.

Look here

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=103864385&postcount=117

I knew Raanta could play.

I have seen Pavelec. He is not very good.

The Rangers can't get into a situation where AV is playing Lundqvist too much because Pavelec is not vey good and every point matters to make the playoffs.

Where's the team's bigger hole: at center or in goal?

 

[Boruto]

I agree with Rangerboy on Pavs. Mechanics are bad, positioning is bad.

Very athletic player, but terrible rebound control, overly aggressive, and a terrible PK goalie.

Get him moving side to side, and you'll see either goals against or a bunch of second chance opportunities.

Take his poor PK ability, and add to how undisciplined WPG was the last few years... and you have a team that loses games just based on that.

sounds to me like something a good goalie coach can fix.

 

[Mikos87]

sounds to me like something a good goalie coach can fix.

The player you mean. The coach can only guide.

A couple hundred NHL games would argue otherwise.

 

[RangerBoy]

Vally played all the easiest games, and very few at that.

RB voices a legitimate concern here. Pavelec is known all around the league as the Girardi of goaltenders.

I agree with his hope that this Georgiev kid lights it up in the AHL so we have an option if Pavelec pulls a Biron early in the season and NYR have to look elsewhere.

I don't usually agree with Rb and disagree with 2k2, but I'm very concerned about the backup situation. Replace Raanta last year with a .900 goalie- we let in 17 extra goals, the goalie goes 12-12 instead of 16-8, and we may not even make the playoffs.

The division and conference will be very competitive again this season.

I really like Gorton. I didn't like his choice of Pavelec.

Every point will be huge. Lundqvist will be 36 in the spring. He can't play the same number of games he played at a much younger age. He has struggled during the regular season recently. Raanta played well in December last season when Lundqvist struggled. He did a decent job when Lundqvist was out with leg/hip injury in March. The Rangers can't get into a situation where AV is playing Lundqvist so much because Pavelec stinks.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

This is one reason the Rangers drastically improved their blueline. Less shots less chances for goals

 

[Boruto]

The player you mean. The coach can only guide.

A couple hundred NHL games would argue otherwise.

You sound like my therapist.

 

[Boruto]

This is one reason the Rangers drastically improved their blueline. Less shots less chances for goals

Nevesis is going to have to scream "WOW LASER!" much more often if we manage to clean up our defensive zone play and shots and chances against. With McD-Shattenkirk, Skjei-Smith for the next 2 years at the very least until McDonagh is an UFA, Henrik should get through his mid 30s okay.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Nevesis is going to have to scream "WOW LASER!" much more often if we manage to clean up our defensive zone play and shots and chances against. With McD-Shattenkirk, Skjei-Smith for the next 2 years at the very least until McDonagh is an UFA, Henrik should get through his mid 30s okay.

Hahahaha. That made me laugh

 

[NickyFotiu]

I would not break the bank over Zib at this point . I would sooner get him for a reasonable amount long term at #2-3 center price based on his performance up till now and use the savings to wave at JT next Summer when he leaves the Isles ...a million or 2 extra is worth throwing at Tavares...not Mika . Overpay the right guy . Just how I would like to see it done even if it means a step back for us .

I like Zib and I want to keep Zib but there is no reason for us to overpay him. He never has been higher than 4th or 5th on his team scoring. He is a RFA. If he wants to be a Ranger he will take a fair contract. If not we will move him. We can not let anyone take advantage of us unless they are Crosby/McDavid level players.

 

[Hire Sather]

Valiquette was not very good.

Talbot had been in the Rangers organization for three seasons before becoming the back-up

I proposed Haggerty for Raanta trade here nine days before the trade was made.

Look here

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=103864385&postcount=117

I knew Raanta could play.

I have seen Pavelec. He is not very good.

The Rangers can't get into a situation where AV is playing Lundqvist too much because Pavelec is not vey good and every point matters to make the playoffs.

You may be right but I trust the FO. I think it will work out.

 

[RangerBoy]

Anthony DeAngelo. The Rangers tried to acquire Tyson Barrie from the Avs in 13-14. Michael Del Zotto. Adrian Dater was writing for the Denver Post at the time. The Rangers really liked Barrie before he established himself in the NHL. They see DeAngelo as Tyson Barrie. The Rangers asked about Barrie and the Avs wanted Skjei.

JANUARY 4, 2014

The New York Rangers and general manager Glen Sather have talked to the Colorado Avalanche about defenseman Tyson Barrie according to Denver Post reporter Adrian Dater.

22-year-old Barrie has played 25 games this season, and has picked up 2 goals and 6 assists. He was originally drafted by the Colorado Avalanche in 2009, when he was picked 64th overall in the third round.

The New York Rangers are looking to trade defenseman Michael Del Zotto, and earlier the Colorado Avalanche have been mentioned as one of the teams interested.

http://www.icehockeyrumors.com/new-york-rangers-have-talked-to-the-avalanche-about-tyson-barrie/

I couldn't find the Denver Post links. He also tweeted that information. Barrie scored all of the OT games in the 2nd half of that season. He ended up with 13-25-38 in 64 games in 13-14.

Same size. Same skill set. Same strengths. Same flaws(defending). Maybe Ruff can help him in that area.

DeAngelo has his other issues. He is running out of chances. 3rd NHL organization. You know the Rangers management spoke to him face to face when he was an instructor at the Rangers youth camp/hockey school a few weeks ago. DeAngelo has a tremendous opportunity to watch and learn from Shattenkirk.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

DeAngelo has his other issues. He is running out of chances. 3rd NHL organization. You know the Rangers management spoke to him face to face when he was an instructor at the Rangers youth camp/hockey school a few weeks ago. DeAngelo has a tremendous opportunity to watch and learn from Shattenkirk.

You are talking about him as if no team wants him. Adam Clendening is traded 3 times in 12 months, then doesn't get a QO from 2 teams in a row, yet everyone thinks it's AVs fault for not playing him more. Clendening is a player who has had his chances and has been deemed "replaceable" by a bunch of teams. DeAngelo was traded by Tampa for a 2nd rounder but with the way that team is built in Tampa, I am not really basing my opinion on what Yzerman does as a GM. Then he was traded to us as the main piece for Derek Stepan.

Running out of chances? His career is just beginning.

 

[Mac n Gs]

To be fair, weren't we really trying to get Anders Nilsson before Vancouver offered him a better deal?

 

[SA16]

Yea a defenseman who made the NHL for the first time last year and played in 39 games scoring 14 points at 21 years old is running out of chances.

I mean he is only 9 years away from 30.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yea a defenseman who made the NHL for the first time last year and played in 39 games scoring 14 points at 21 years old is running out of chances.

I mean he is only 9 years away from 30.

And he wasn't a top-3 pick so what value can he have? haha

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Yea a defenseman who made the NHL for the first time last year and played in 39 games scoring 14 points at 21 years old is running out of chances.

I mean he is only 9 years away from 30.

wait, he's 21? that means at most he's got 4 years left before his value to the Rangers or in a trade plummets. 25 is too old here.

 

[NickyFotiu]

You guys are sounding like Knicks fans

 

[Mikos87]

It was maybe mid season last year that I mentioned ADA would be a good fit here and that ARI would trade him.

Boppob agreed at the time. And lo and behold He's been traded here.

At the time I said he's Sean Avery meets offensive RHD... Which if you're the Rangers that's both a desperate need on multiple fronts.

For some players, they only fit in a situation like this where they can get lost in the city and be mentored by the org.

He'll be a fan favorite by December as long as he earns the trust of the coaching staff.

He's got the swagger to play his game and succeed here, but he's got to bury some of the things he's done in the past.

This is an ultra conservative league, but the Rangers as an org are more progressive than others where they can insulate him.

It'll be up to ADA to not go down the Mark Sanchez route. The Rangers won't keep him in NYC if that's what he does.

 

[mike14]

DeAngelo has his other issues. He is running out of chances. 3rd NHL organization. You know the Rangers management spoke to him face to face when he was an instructor at the Rangers youth camp/hockey school a few weeks ago. DeAngelo has a tremendous opportunity to watch and learn from Shattenkirk.

Wait wait wait. You're saying the Rangers talked to one of their employees face-to-face while at a work event? Stop the presses....

Seems it would be really rude not to talk to one of your newly acquired players at these things. In fact, it seems it would be rude not to talk to any of your employees face-to-face at something like this.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Nashville working on a 7 year extension with Arvidsson, 4.25M per year. how does Nashville do this stuff?

 

[eco's bones]

I don't think DeAngelo is running out of chances yet either. Too young--too talented. Needs to work on his defensive issues. He also needs to find a happy place and to stay disciplined--get rid of some of the cocky ****.

Anyway I'm not crazy about Pavelec. I'm wondering whether Georgieyev might push him out of the backup job....and Lundqvist is mid-30's moving into late 30's and coming off a mediocre season. And the past couple playoffs he's had one great series and two bad ones. The past couple years as well Henrik's had to deal with injuries--something that is also kind of new for him. We need a good backup.

 

[Ola]

That's because if a forward makes a mistake, there is a layer (defense) that can cover.

If the D makes the mistake, there is a prime scoring chance going the other way. In other words, the forward group can have their mistakes be covered by the defense, while it's up to the goalie to bail out the D.

Especially off the rush or off of turnovers.

You used to see more mistakes by forwards at the blueline, but they are so well coached now that you see less and less of that. Faster game too. Pucks get in deeper.

True, but isn't a forward missing an open net just as bad as a defender coughing up the puck right infront of the net so that someone get a slam dunk? I know that a lot of coaches feel that fans gets on their defense too much, while forwards gets much more of a call it "artistic freedom" or whatever.

I sometimes argue against the use of certain metrics, but I do think especially Corsi and the likes are important to help people see a bigger picture when it comes to defensemens. A mistake can result in a chance against. A bad defender can take the breath out of his team.