I think RB was referring to them not chit chatting with him but telling him that only a perfect approach will do in NY or he will be on a 4th team before he knows it.
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I think RB was referring to them not chit chatting with him but telling him that only a perfect approach will do in NY or he will be on a 4th team before he knows it.
Pavelec was god awful for Winnipeg. But I know that a very talented goalie coach called Pavelec one of the most talented goalies in the world. He is seen as a sick puck stopper in the business. Working with him on the ice, he is supposedly amazing at reading the shots and so is his reflexes.
Allaiere got to work with Sean Burke in 01'. At the time, it was the fifth team in three years for a 32-year-old Burke, and his game was based on the reactive, stand-up style – aggressive, upright and challenging – and Burke was really on the decline. Allaiere worked hard with Burke and the next season Burke was an All-Star again, and the year after that he was a finalist for both the Vezina and Hart Trophies, as well as the Lester B. Pearson Award. Allaiere also reinvented Khabibulins game.
Pavelec is 30 y/o. I think Anders Nilsson made a big mistake going to Vancouver. It will be a mess there and he will never establish himself. Bad career decision. Had he signed with us we could have used him for 1.5 years and then trade him for at least a 2nd round pick, if not more, or he even could have replaced Hank. Pavelec will never return that, but maybe Allaiere can make a good backup of him?
Allaiere got to work with Sean Burke in 01'. At the time, it was the fifth team in three years for a 32-year-old Burke, and his game was based on the reactive, stand-up style – aggressive, upright and challenging – and Burke was really on the decline. Allaiere worked hard with Burke and the next season Burke was an All-Star again, and the year after that he was a finalist for both the Vezina and Hart Trophies, as well as the Lester B. Pearson Award. Allaiere also reinvented Khabibulins game.
Pavelec is 30 y/o. I think Anders Nilsson made a big mistake going to Vancouver. It will be a mess there and he will never establish himself. Bad career decision. Had he signed with us we could have used him for 1.5 years and then trade him for at least a 2nd round pick, if not more, or he even could have replaced Hank. Pavelec will never return that, but maybe Allaiere can make a good backup of him?
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True, there are very few generational players that were wingers in NHL history.
The versatility to play C definitely gives an edge in line match-ups.
http://nypost.com/2017/07/23/breaking-down-the-number-crunch-on-rangers-defense/
Brooks wrote Gorton is expected to look at the potential Staal buyout this week.
Should be an interesting week.
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I want nothing more than Staal off this team but they can't buy him out right now
Wait it out another year when that NTC allows him to be moved and try to retain to move him. If that doesn't work then buy him out
The team has a good problem in that they totally re shaped the current and future defense in an offseason. I think Pionk will need a couple months in the AHL but he's close. If all 3 of those young guys make waves, the team will have to do something
I also got a good chuckle when Brooks said Staal had a good first half last year haha
Wait it out another year when that NTC allows him to be moved and try to retain to move him. If that doesn't work then buy him out
The team has a good problem in that they totally re shaped the current and future defense in an offseason. I think Pionk will need a couple months in the AHL but he's close. If all 3 of those young guys make waves, the team will have to do something
I also got a good chuckle when Brooks said Staal had a good first half last year haha
Good job by Gorton trading Stepan before Zib was signed? Im sure his agent hates the leverage that gave them since we have no other center worth a damn
Buying Staal out is the smart move. Once again Brooksie is failing to talk about the positive effects of the buyout for the first 4 years, only mentioning the negative "dead cap" effects.
It's so dumb, paint the full picture please, it's not that hard.
It's so dumb, paint the full picture please, it's not that hard.
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I don't know... the whole article outlines the positives of NOT having Staal (and Holden) on the team and details the extensive list of more than capable candidates.
The issue he didn't raise is the NMC thereby forcing AV to either play him or Gorton has to buy him out which comes with significant penalties.
"Turning Holden into a center" made me chuckle though. The only way that happens is if AV plays him AS A CENTER like when he played McIlrath as a winger
Are you aware about the bad reputation DeAngelo has create by his own immaturity?
I can tell you are not with the stupid response......
He is an extremely talented player but his attitude and mouth have got him into trouble.
The Rangers brass sat him down face to face and told him to stop the nonsense. He has a great opportunity here.
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It's Larry Brooks. You are expecting too much here.
"It does not appear as if the Blueshirts intend to buy out the 30-year-old, 10-year-veteran who had a pretty good first half, but that is not set in stone. The club would clear approximately $3.57 million of 2017-18 cap space by doing so, while assuming the burden of carrying significant dead space for the next eight seasons."
The way he phrases it, makes it seem like we are carrying more cap in the next 4 years, which is absolutely not true. It's cap savings for another 4 years, but hey... It's Larry Brooks, who gets all his info off message boards like these.
Did they? What's your source?
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Is Neal Pionk really NHL ready? The Rangers are better off sending him to the AHL and having him play top pair minutes. It's a big jump from college hockey to the NHL. A stint in the AHL in the next step. That's not to say the Rangers shouldn't re-evaluate in January but having Pionk play in the AHL seems the right move.
The Rangers brought in Lindy Ruff to run the D. He did a really job as an assistant in Florida. Ed Jovanovski and Rhett Warrener were two young D on that team. Jovo-cop was matched up against Eric Lindros in that playoff series in 1996. The Flyers were supposed to win the Cup that season.
Ulf Samuelsson ran the D and then he left to coach the Canes AHL team for one season. He is an assistant in Chicago under coach Q. They played together on the Whalers. Did Ulf have a falling out with AV? He leaves to become a head coach in the AHL and applies for two NHL assistant jobs. He also spoke with the Kings this summer. Jeff Buekeboom was there for just one season.
The 2nd buyout window
Zibanejad signs on Tuesday morning. Third day is Friday. The window would be Saturday and Sunday.
It's a lot of buyout money on the cap. I know it's also money not on the cap.
Can the Rangers make a trade with Staal? Why would he waive? Staal would keep his contract. If the Rangers have a deal with a team like Ottawa and Staal says no,the Rangers can say we are going to buy you out. Good luck finding a decent contract in early August. Free agency stopped on July 1. Ottawa signed Pageau early. His hearing was on July 28. Ottawa knows how much the player will cost and how much money is left in their budget.
The Rangers brought in Lindy Ruff to run the D. He did a really job as an assistant in Florida. Ed Jovanovski and Rhett Warrener were two young D on that team. Jovo-cop was matched up against Eric Lindros in that playoff series in 1996. The Flyers were supposed to win the Cup that season.
Ulf Samuelsson ran the D and then he left to coach the Canes AHL team for one season. He is an assistant in Chicago under coach Q. They played together on the Whalers. Did Ulf have a falling out with AV? He leaves to become a head coach in the AHL and applies for two NHL assistant jobs. He also spoke with the Kings this summer. Jeff Buekeboom was there for just one season.
The 2nd buyout window
Zibanejad signs on Tuesday morning. Third day is Friday. The window would be Saturday and Sunday.
It's a lot of buyout money on the cap. I know it's also money not on the cap.
Can the Rangers make a trade with Staal? Why would he waive? Staal would keep his contract. If the Rangers have a deal with a team like Ottawa and Staal says no,the Rangers can say we are going to buy you out. Good luck finding a decent contract in early August. Free agency stopped on July 1. Ottawa signed Pageau early. His hearing was on July 28. Ottawa knows how much the player will cost and how much money is left in their budget.
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I'd bet that DeAngelo was brought in for his swagger as much as his talent level. AV said outright that this team is too easy going and vanilla.
Maybe the NYR hope a little confidence / cockiness / controversy will go a long way.
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As usual with this argument, it ignores the possibility of trading the player. Yes, if your only options are buyout and keep him, buyout is better. If trading him is an option, then trading him is by far the better option.
Girardi signed for 2 years / 3 mil AAV with Tampa. There were other teams interested. Was there really not a team out there that would have traded for Girardi at 50% for a 7th round pick? 3 years @ 2.75 mil. Was the 3rd year really that much of a problem?
Every trade possibility should be explored with Staal before buying him out. We aren't in need of that cap space this year, so buying him out just to get him off the team is a bad idea, because once it's done, it's done. If we can't trade him by next summer, then maybe we buy him out, but not until then.
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Guess the organization doesn't think Graves is close to ready either.
Ideally the Rangers can trade Staal, Pionk goes to the AHL to play on the top pair and develop more. Holden rotates in as the 7th defenseman.
McD - Shattenkirk
Skjei - Smith
Bear Gloves - DeAngelo
Holden
DeAngelo and Shattenkirk on the first PP pairing. McD and Skjei on the second.
Ideally the Rangers can trade Staal, Pionk goes to the AHL to play on the top pair and develop more. Holden rotates in as the 7th defenseman.
McD - Shattenkirk
Skjei - Smith
Bear Gloves - DeAngelo
Holden
DeAngelo and Shattenkirk on the first PP pairing. McD and Skjei on the second.
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I can answer that with a question. Does the Sahara Desert have a lot of sand?
I was at a bachelors party a few years ago where many NHL players, agents and scouts took part. AV came up as a point of discussion. No details, but it was (unanimously) not Pretty. Someone said he should coach a bad team for once. Maybe his next job gives him that opportunity
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Personally I don't think Staal is tradable. Whatever cap penalties from buying him out at least in the near future would be more than offset by cheaper players on ELC's.
I'd use that second buyout period and get rid of him and hang on to Holden for now unless we can use him as a piece to bring back a decent center.
I'd use that second buyout period and get rid of him and hang on to Holden for now unless we can use him as a piece to bring back a decent center.
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I've never heard of the state a player plays in coming into play during an arbitration hearing. Remember half the games a player plays in are taxed at different rates.
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Yes it is. You get taxed where you play your games in.
Edit: here is an article on it.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtba...of-how-complicated-u-s-tax-code/#29281a34411e
Saw a good piece on Banter I believe about a week ago where it lists the 4 yr differential between Staals regular cap hit and the combined buy out cap hit of both him and DG, it's nearly flat with one yr being a 1 mil neg difference. Then you get to Staals cheap buy out years. I'm thinking we do it now. The extra benefit is that it frees up more space to make a potential C move.
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Competition/rotation 3 spots: Holden, DeAngelo, Beargloves, Pinok, Day, Graves, kampfer
I like this, great top 4 for 45-50 min à game and ease in/shelter the kids. After 30 games or so we'll see what's what. Holden as insurance, vet presence. Holden is fine on 3rd pair where he should be instead of playing above his head.
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Competition/rotation 3 spots: Holden, DeAngelo, Beargloves, Pinok, Day, Graves, kampfer
I like this, great top 4 for 45-50 min à game and ease in/shelter the kids. After 30 games or so we'll see what's what. Holden as insurance, vet presence. Holden is fine on 3rd pair where he should be instead of playing above his head.
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