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Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part III: Day by Day

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eco's bones said:
Personally I don't think Staal is tradable. Whatever cap penalties from buying him out at least in the near future would be more than offset by cheaper players on ELC's.

I'd use that second buyout period and get rid of him and hang on to Holden for now unless we can use him as a piece to bring back a decent center.
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What are we using that cap savings for this year?
 
Management really wanted to take another year off of Girardi's contract before buying him out. All the reasons to buy him out were there last summer. The likely reason for standing pat last summer was the lack of options on the right side even if we tried to fill it by giving up assets. This year is the total opposite where we have a full top 6 that really needs to play even with Pionk in the minors. Shaving a year off of Staal's contract is going to have a way worse impact on the team's ability to contend and develop than last season with Girardi. Had we signed Shattenkirk, Pionk, Bereglazov, and traded for ADA last summer, Girardi would have been bought out then. It's a much worse contract to buy out but there's 10X the pressure on Staal than there was on Girardi.
 
GAGLine said:
As usual with this argument, it ignores the possibility of trading the player. Yes, if your only options are buyout and keep him, buyout is better. If trading him is an option, then trading him is by far the better option.

Girardi signed for 2 years / 3 mil AAV with Tampa. There were other teams interested. Was there really not a team out there that would have traded for Girardi at 50% for a 7th round pick? 3 years @ 2.75 mil. Was the 3rd year really that much of a problem?

Every trade possibility should be explored with Staal before buying him out. We aren't in need of that cap space this year, so buying him out just to get him off the team is a bad idea, because once it's done, it's done. If we can't trade him by next summer, then maybe we buy him out, but not until then.
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I would think that the Girardi buyout is proof enough that there was no trade market for him.
 
Tawnos said:
I would think that the Girardi buyout is proof enough that there was no trade market for him.
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There may or may not be a trade market for Staal at 50% retained but we should ask everyone before possibly buying him out.
 
Tawnos said:
4 year commitment is part of it. Another is what Brooks mentioned about the glut of D available in trade right now.
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Exactly, which is why no one would trade for Girardi. If we bought out Staal, I could see him getting a similar contract to what G just signed. The biggest issue with both buyouts is I think the penalties in years 3&4. Someone has the breakdown in a table in one of these threads
 
Mac n Gs said:
Exactly, which is why no one would trade for Girardi. If we bought out Staal, I could see him getting a similar contract to what G just signed. The biggest issue with both buyouts is I think the penalties in years 3&4. Someone has the breakdown in a table in one of these threads
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Girardi buyout as it affects us for the next 6 seasons:

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Staal buyout:

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Sourced from CapFriendly. So, assuming Staal is bought out this summer, the biggest combined cap hit comes in year 3, where both of their cap hits reach $3M+
 
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Mac n Gs said:
Exactly, which is why no one would trade for Girardi. If we bought out Staal, I could see him getting a similar contract to what G just signed. The biggest issue with both buyouts is I think the penalties in years 3&4. Someone has the breakdown in a table in one of these threads
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Right. I mean, if you're a GM in the market for a D and you're talking to the Rangers, why would you deal for Girardi or Staal when Holden is available?
 
I look at guranteed contracts as sunk money once they are signed but don't we actually recoup 1/3 of that sunk cost in a buyout? For example if a guy has 12 mill in salary/cap total due over 2 years due doesn't a buy out reduce that to 8 mill over 4 years?
 
Tawnos said:
Right. I mean, if you're a GM in the market for a D and you're talking to the Rangers, why would you deal for Girardi or Staal when Holden is available?
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Yeah, exactly there's zero incentive unless we pay extra for someone to take them or just swap bad contracts. The buyout is the best move IMO, but it's gonna get a bit hairy down the line with the young guys needing extensions. It's a really ****** situation for Gorton, which is why I'm guessing we just ride Staal out for a year or two and really hope that those ELCs can contribute.
 
Unless Staal's cap hit is holding them back from a specific move there is no reason to buy out Staal, especially if they have the ability to eat his cap hit this season while using him in a 6-7 role. It's probably going to ultimately end in a buyout, but the longer the Rangers can wait, the better.
 
Tawnos said:
Right. I mean, if you're a GM in the market for a D and you're talking to the Rangers, why would you deal for Girardi or Staal when Holden is available?
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We don't need to trade Staal this summer, is the main point here. We don't need the cap space. Trading him just to get him off the team would be foolish. Maybe we won't be able to trade him next summer either. I don't know. But we have time to explore the possibility. A buyout should be the last resort, not the first option.
 
GAGLine said:
We don't need to trade Staal this summer, is the main point here. We don't need the cap space. Trading him just to get him off the team would be foolish. Maybe we won't be able to trade him next summer either. I don't know. But we have time to explore the possibility. A buyout should be the last resort, not the first option.
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Yep. Why weaken our depth to gain cap space we won't need when we can do it next offseason for the same cap hit penalty?

"To stop AV from playing him" is not a valid response and probably not the way the FO will think.
 
Hire Sather said:
Yep. Why weaken our depth to gain cap space we won't need when we can do it next offseason for the same cap hit penalty?

"To stop AV from playing him" is not a valid response and probably not the way the FO will think.
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I just feel that the time to really rebuild and invest in the blueline is now, so that its both good and established but also cost controlled in a year or two. Hence Bereglazov and DeAngelo should get every chance to establish themselves.

Like a blueline with McD-Shatty, Skjei-DeAngelo, Bereglazov-Pionk could be really really modern, good AND decently cheap in 2-3 years. We can't just snooze Bereglazov for a couple of years, the time to play him is now. Sure Pionk won't be killed by a little time in HFD since he just turned pro, but he isn't 4-5 years away. His time could come in a year or two. DeAngelo should get a good chance. It has been crucial for young PMDs to get fairly good ice time to develop in the past. He can't just get the left-overs from Shatty and Smith.

We can't just sit on our chance to build a great young modern blueline because we have dead weight in Holden and Staal and accidently (?) singed one vet UFA too many... Its just too important to rebuild the blueline, why too important, to blow that shot.
 
Hire Sather said:
Yep. Why weaken our depth to gain cap space we won't need when we can do it next offseason for the same cap hit penalty?

"To stop AV from playing him" is not a valid response and probably not the way the FO will think.
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Keeping Staal is weakening our depth. We can only keep 7D. If we go with Bereglazov-ADA, having the full $5.7M is a waste as the 7D not to mention the fact that even just by having Holden as the 7D instead of Staal, we'd be a better team. Plus Pionk is said to be NHL ready and Graves would likely be A-okay at the NHL level after half a season and be better than Staal at whichever point. There are no real reason to keep Staal. There are just reasons to not buy him out at this moment.
 


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At that price, management will have zero problem ever in working out a long term deal. If it costs upwards of Mika's ask for the long term deal, it's still a good deal.
 
Give Zibanejad the Brassard contract. 5 years, $25 million. Buys out 2 UFA years. Call it a day.
 
Under $5m for 5-6 years would be amazing for Zib, always expected around $5.5m on a 4 or 5 year deal. I have a hunch Groton will do very good here
 
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