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Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part III: Day by Day
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BobMarleyNYR
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We forget how elated we were with Vigneault's hiring four years ago. he coached the team to the SCF his first year. Klein, Stralman Pouliot, Brass all came on with him. Staal/G's TOI was a head-scratcher... the Glass stuff was none too popular and Yandle's disuse was REALLY weird. Aside from those things, he's been a very good coach and he seems to get the best out of guys.
SA16
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Yo site your statements about Buch and Vesey and lack of communication with the coaching staff. Buch certainly didn't say that in the most recent interview that was translated.
Lorb- But prospects fails most of the time, still everyone is not only not making it but also reading their potential under AV, maybe he is doing something right?
Just saying, which vet lovin kid hating coach plays a non-producing Chris Kreider over Rick Nash on the PP?
Many act like it's a lock that Jesper Fast should have made it out of camp at the cost of several vets. That was a real long shot. OL beat out a lot of vets, far from a lock. Hayes was kept up and in the lineup his first season. Many didn't like some of these kids over vets decisions, Hayes was a screw up and Fast was mega vanilla. The last years many have wanted Hayes benched regularly.
You say that every time AV plays a kid over a vet it was a good call but you don't note all the times kids played over a vet and many questioned it. Think there is a lot of confirmation bias going on.
We soon have an entire roster of young homegrown players that either count their footing under him or came up as rookies under him -- yet the same time some are running the argument from a handful of years ago that he sucks with kids and loves vets? Maybe he just wants his kids to be ready and learn to play the right way?
Just saying, which vet lovin kid hating coach plays a non-producing Chris Kreider over Rick Nash on the PP?
Many act like it's a lock that Jesper Fast should have made it out of camp at the cost of several vets. That was a real long shot. OL beat out a lot of vets, far from a lock. Hayes was kept up and in the lineup his first season. Many didn't like some of these kids over vets decisions, Hayes was a screw up and Fast was mega vanilla. The last years many have wanted Hayes benched regularly.
You say that every time AV plays a kid over a vet it was a good call but you don't note all the times kids played over a vet and many questioned it. Think there is a lot of confirmation bias going on.
We soon have an entire roster of young homegrown players that either count their footing under him or came up as rookies under him -- yet the same time some are running the argument from a handful of years ago that he sucks with kids and loves vets? Maybe he just wants his kids to be ready and learn to play the right way?
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BTW, did anyone know that studies made on bench management shows no positive gain from an active matching compared to not matching lines?
Quite extensive studies also show that the number of mistakes made by players on a team is more or less constant between players and between teams. In this context a pass an inch to far is not a mistake, it's more major mistakes. Forwards make a lot more mistakes than defensemen, still I've never heard a forward described as "mistake prone", while Ds often are...
Quite extensive studies also show that the number of mistakes made by players on a team is more or less constant between players and between teams. In this context a pass an inch to far is not a mistake, it's more major mistakes. Forwards make a lot more mistakes than defensemen, still I've never heard a forward described as "mistake prone", while Ds often are...
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Ola, I like when you type reasoned, thought out posts, but did you even check the facts behind your statements? Kreider led the team in powerplay goals and was tied for 4th in powerplay points. How is that non-producing? He plays the Simmonds role on the powerplay, which should be more prominent this upcoming season with 2 legit right-handed pp qbs to facilitate better and open ice more.
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If forwards never made a wrong play, ever attack would end up with a SOG or Goal. Losing the puck is only considered a true negative if the defense makes a mistake and allows the opposing team to score, thus making a mistake.
I guess that's where most people would come from. That inch-to-the-right pass thats intercepted or lost, is a "it happens" play, where as every goal or high danger shot our team faces, is the result of our own defense not doing their job (allegedly)
If we are being entirely fair, forwards making a mistake is what usually leads to goals against, so blame should really be shared equally.
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5,4 times 5 was My previous prediction. But how they could ask for more seems outlandish, but. I hear he wants the moon and then some. I warned for this six weeks ago, Dirty Daddy DJ wants the Bank. Ottawa Saw this coming Big time
Irishguy42
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Yep. Can't wait for the overreaction about the ask from ZBad's camp, knowing full well that the final number will never be that high.
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I think it has more to do with the fact that most cup champions has a generational talent that was drafted at C that scores at over ppg, and is an all round beast.
Those type of players are almost always placed at C when they develop.
Its less to do with the position, than in the position they are groomed to play in.
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It's a good spot for Mika to be in. This is the first time we've had this little center depth since we traded for Brassard and this is the first time in a few years that we've had cap to spare. This is his first big boy contract too. Gorton is going to have to yield before the hearing. I think it might end up being $5.75 to 5.8 instead of 5.5.
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True. I think he asks for Stepan money or close to that. Rangers numbe is likely 4,4-4.5. Middle ground is around 5,5. Time will tell
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If I'm standing from the players' perspective, if there's $7.5M+ of cap left with an extra player on defense, goalies paid, all RFAs signed, that's plenty to take from. It's not as if it's going to be a cap nightmare like the Caps are in. Management set aside enough to sign Mika no matter what and won't be forced into an unsavory situation.
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There is a next year too though. Alloting a guy too much now just because there is money to spare seems asininely shortsighted. This is a business. Not a shark frenzy for the cattle
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The biggest thing is not giving him a two year contract. Others have said it already, but that will take him to a UFA, which absolutely cannot happen. We currently have $7.6M in cap space. There's room there to give Mika money. I think they'll give him the Brassard deal adjusted to whatever % that was of the cap, so something over $5M for 5 years
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NickyFotiu
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Tyler Johnson signed for 5 mill so I think that is a legit ceiling.
4.7-5.1mill salary
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4.7-5.1mill salary
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LaffyTaffyNYR
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It will get done because the Rangers really have zero choice, They already have no centers as it is.
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AND he's easily the best one they have. His camp has a lot of leverage going into this thing. But I wouldn't mind him on a big $$$ (5.5-6m) long term deal. I really think he is that good.
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