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Roster Building Thread - Part II: Entry Draft Edition

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McRanger92 said:
If the Rangers feel they can move Trouba (ATTN: Detroit Red Wings), signing Miller isn't out of the question. I like Trouba and would prefer not to move him all things equal, but having an elite 1-2 punch at center locked down long term through our window is more important than keeping our 3rd best defenseman, especially if Schneider can get another development year under his belt before we have to pull the trigger.

We have 0 in the organization at center. No one is coming up behind Mika/Chytil/Goodrow. You need 2 do it all centers to win in this league, as recent history has told us. I also dont care that Mika/Miller are 29. Stamkos just put up 100 points at 34 after everyone declared him dead and buried 2 years ago. Age is just a number in a contention window.
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Thats a big if and we im sure are already looking to deal Krieder and Trouba as soon as next season or the season after the latest. But we will need that money to resign laffy and KAM. So i agree we can find the space if needed eventually.

Yes we dont have the organizational depth at center, we all know this. Adding a 31yo JT Miller and then signing him to a 8.5m 7year deal at the age of 31 is not going to fix it or age well. JT is a good player but he isnt in Stammers league. So ill believe in JT Miller playing this way until age 34-35 when i see it. Also the new deal brings him to 38.

Im just not interested.
 
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The Miller extension, like the Kadri deal this off-season is one a contending team whose window is closing makes. They sign the guy to get the next 2-3 years of high end production out of him and try to win a Cup in that window. Teams like Pittsburgh and Washington are examples of teams who could take a stab at a deal like that. Who cares about 5 years from now as they will be rebuilding.

The Rangers are NOT in that boat
 
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Chalfdiggity3 said:
Thats a big if and we im sure are already looking to deal Krieder and Trouba as soon as next season or the season after the latest. But we will need that money to resign laffy and KAM. So i agree we can find the space if needed eventually.

Yes we dont have the organizational depth at center, we all know this. Adding a 31yo JT Miller and then signing him to a 8.5m 7year deal at the age of 31 is not going to fix it or age well. JT is a good player but he isnt in Stammers league. So ill believe in JT Miller playing this way until age 34-35 when i see it. Also the new deal brings him to 38.

Im just not interested.
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Fair enough. After Tampa moved McD for nothing fairly easily, I dont think its crazy for the Rangers to move Trouba next summer as long as they are upfront with him. He is also still pretty young and held in a very high regard among the "old Hockey Men" community for his throwback style (to be fair, I agree with them).

In regards to an extension for JT (and Mika's that he just signed), if both guys are making 8.5 long-term, that may not look all that bad once the cap jumps up in a couple years. Just something for the organization to consider.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Fair enough. After Tampa moved McD for nothing fairly easily, I dont think its crazy for the Rangers to move Trouba next summer as long as they are upfront with him. He is also still pretty young and held in a very high regard among the "old Hockey Men" community for his throwback style (to be fair, I agree with them).

In regards to an extension for JT (and Mika's that he just signed), if both guys are making 8.5 long-term, that may not look all that bad once the cap jumps up in a couple years. Just something for the organization to consider.
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JT and Mika making $8.5M each doesn't look bad in a vacuum. It does look bad when you add in all the other long-term deals the Rangers have already signed.

I'm not sure they can even ice a roster after next season if JT Miller is on the books.
 
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Sourceheads BTFO.
 
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Fitzy said:
I don't see any possible realistic package that doesn't hurt bad.

We aren't getting him for Lundkvist, Berard, and a first. (The most I'd offer)
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Yep. Apparently the ask from Washington was Lapierre, McMichael and a prospect. Vancouver wants young players ready to step in from day 1. They have Quinn and OEL, so Lundkvist is not a great fit and prospects and picks are extras. Not hard to see why other clubs focus on Schneider when they look at our pool, and now Chytil from what we hear. But since Schneider is Trouba's heir designate and Chytil is our only young C (and far from enough to get the deal done by himself along with a prospect & pick) and the Rangers have cap problems from past "we'll figure it out later" decisions... it's hard to get the pieces to align without getting into the "hurtful" areas of the roster.
 
McRanger92 said:
ehhhhh, I dont think thee guys have the sources they used to within the organization. Drury has mostly cleaned house and Slats is in his 80s fishing in Banff.
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If the Rangers wanted any bit of the rumors out there then they would have done so through Brooks, or some inkling would have fallen to Vince, who has friends all around the organization.

Just because our reporters choose to not burn bridges and run with every tabloid rumor they hear doesn't mean that they aren't connected.

And when vancouver media and the typical national reporters that have fed off vancouver front office manufactured rumors in the past are reporting one thing, but our guys are literally not reporting anything at all, then the silence speaks loudly.
 
irishlaxburger2 said:
JT and Mika making $8.5M each doesn't look bad in a vacuum. It does look bad when you add in all the other long-term deals the Rangers have already signed.

I'm not sure they can even ice a roster after next season if JT Miller is on the books.
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They can. Miller & Lafreniere are signing bridge deals. They have no reason to sign long term. teams arent the only ones who know the cap will explode in a few years. Look no further than the revenue they made this season. It's coming.
 
McRanger92 said:
They can. Miller & Lafreniere are signing bridge deals. They have no reason to sign long term. teams arent the only ones who know the cap will explode in a few years. Look no further than the revenue they made this season. It's coming.
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Yeah I expect both of them will sign bridge deals unless Laf breaks out and establishes himself as a top liner.
 
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McRanger92 said:
They can. Miller & Lafreniere are signing bridge deals. They have no reason to sign long term. teams arent the only ones who know the cap will explode in a few years. Look no further than the revenue they made this season. It's coming.
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You may very well be right, but we have a group here that is pathologically opposed to bridge deals in 95% of cases.

It's the obvious move to bridge our two windows.
 
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Alluckks said:
If the Rangers wanted any bit of the rumors out there then they would have done so through Brooks, or some inkling would have fallen to Vince, who has friends all around the organization.

Just because our reporters choose to not burn bridges and run with every tabloid rumor they hear doesn't mean that they aren't connected.

And when vancouver media and the typical national reporters that have fed off vancouver front office manufactured rumors in the past are reporting one thing, but our guys are literally not reporting anything at all, then the silence speaks loudly.
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You'd think if our local writers were so plugged into the Rangers they would refute or at the minimum acknowledge that the rumors were out there, no? Radio silence tells me they have no info either way
 
McRanger92 said:
They can. Miller & Lafreniere are signing bridge deals. They have no reason to sign long term. teams arent the only ones who know the cap will explode in a few years. Look no further than the revenue they made this season. It's coming.
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The rumor is the NHL ran a major deficit during Covid, so while revenues are now up in a major way with the new TV deal, there's still a hole the league needs to climb out of before the cap can increase substantially. More likely could be the '25 season when we see more than simply a $1m increase YoY.
 
McRanger92 said:
Fair enough. After Tampa moved McD for nothing fairly easily, I dont think its crazy for the Rangers to move Trouba next summer as long as they are upfront with him. He is also still pretty young and held in a very high regard among the "old Hockey Men" community for his throwback style (to be fair, I agree with them).

In regards to an extension for JT (and Mika's that he just signed), if both guys are making 8.5 long-term, that may not look all that bad once the cap jumps up in a couple years. Just something for the organization to consider.
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Tampa in the end had the waivers route and knew he'd get claimed so they kind of held the cards. It was we can waive you and go to whoever claims you or you can pick a few spots and we'll work with you. If the Rangers are up front with Trouba and explain the situation and he tells them no, that's pretty much the end of the conversation. On Quest for the Cup on ESPN+, they had a segment with him and his wife and it was mentioned she was just starting her residency in Lenox Hill. For someone who values her career as much as his own and waited to try and get to this exact spot, I can't see him waiving his NMC. The time to trade him would be in 24 when it becomes a partial no trade.
 
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I’m going to go full Ed-Jo until he’s dealt somewhere. Jonathan Tanner Miller is elite. His powerful strides and hard-nosed grit make the Broadstreet Bullies from the 70s cringe. His one time slapper is up there with Ovi’s. He is an alpha male 1C. He left a boy and will return a full-grown man. He is JT Miller.
 
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I'd be a little careful in thinking the cap sites are perfectly accurate in reporting clauses.

During the past two expansion drafts there have been times where it was believed a player only had a no trade clause, or a limited or modified no trade clause, yet they also had a unreported NMC that prevented them from being exposed to the expansion drafts, which would also prevent that player from being put on waivers.

Since these sites rely on the agents or teams to provide them with clause information, it seems sometimes parts of clauses get lost somewhere along the way.
 
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McRanger92 said:
They can. Miller & Lafreniere are signing bridge deals. They have no reason to sign long term. teams arent the only ones who know the cap will explode in a few years. Look no further than the revenue they made this season. It's coming.
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I'm not sure the math works. If Miller has another season like this one his bridge deal will be over 4 mil. Same with Laf if his recent PO are an indicator.
 
McRanger92 said:
If the Rangers feel they can move Trouba (ATTN: Detroit Red Wings), signing Miller isn't out of the question. I like Trouba and would prefer not to move him all things equal, but having an elite 1-2 punch at center locked down long term through our window is more important than keeping our 3rd best defenseman, especially if Schneider can get another development year under his belt before we have to pull the trigger.

We have 0 in the organization at center. No one is coming up behind Mika/Chytil/Goodrow. You need 2 do it all centers to win in this league, as recent history has told us. I also dont care that Mika/Miller are 29. Stamkos just put up 100 points at 34 after everyone declared him dead and buried 2 years ago. Age is just a number in a contention window.
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the one major issue if you sign miller long term is you will have miller and zib both with big contracts that are about the same age that will both be aging out at the same time and also still being paid well. I dont think the idea of these guys both making significant money when they are both 35 and 36 at the same time is a bit sickening.
 
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