Roster Building Thread - Part II: Entry Draft Edition

[McRanger92]

The rumor is the NHL ran a major deficit during Covid, so while revenues are now up in a major way with the new TV deal, there's still a hole the league needs to climb out of before the cap can increase substantially. More likely could be the '25 season when we see more than simply a $1m increase YoY.

Thats fine. As I mentioned, Laf & Miller are being bridged anyway. There have also been rumors that they may incrementally raise the cap. Im no expert so I'll leave the money decisions to the pros, but as I've said before, if i can make it work on an excel spreadsheet during my lunch break so can the Rangers

 

[bhamill]

Anything we trade for Miller is a trade for one year of Miller, IMO. I do not see us signing him. He's not going to give us the hometown discount and come in at 8.5 million, he's going to ask 10 million and someone will give it to him. For 7 years. Even if this team could get him at 9mil (and have to ditch other useful players like Trouba or Kreider to do it) for 7 years, the NYR signing a 30 year old player to that contract is insane... what do you think that 9 million dollar man is going to look like at 33 or 37? I mean, I get it, he could end up being a great piece (or garbage if he reverts to his old ways) this year and for 2 or 3 more but not 7 more. Its a bad fit for this team past a few years and will be too expensive in terms of assets, cap and term.
But hey, I guess we will see where Drury's head is at. I vote no, hahaha, but my vote is meaningless.

 

[McRanger92]

I'm not sure the math works. If Miller has another season like this one his bridge deal will be over 4 mil. Same with Laf if his recent PO are an indicator.

I dont agree with that. contracts coming off ELCs are based on points scored and neither guy will be playing on the powerplay so they're offensive ceiling is limited. I expect both to be in 3mil AAV range.

 

[Circus86]

I dont agree with that. contracts coming off ELCs are based on points scored and neither guy will be playing on the powerplay so they're offensive ceiling is limited. I expect both to be in 3mil AAV range.

So you hope Laf/KAM won't score a lot of points/get much PP time next season so we can afford JTM?

I think there is a big chance lafs point totals go up quite a bit. I also think Laf will be seeing a lot of PP time next season.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

If you’re bored, watch the Jarmo piece. He said on more than one occasion that they are willing to trade 1st round pick(s) for young player(s) who have or can play in the league now.

 

[Alluckks]

You'd think if our local writers were so plugged into the Rangers they would refute or at the minimum acknowledge that the rumors were out there, no? Radio silence tells me they have no info either way

They don't do that

 

[NYR Viper]

If you’re bored, watch the Jarmo piece. He said on more than one occasion that they are willing to trade 1st round pick(s) for young player(s) who have or can play in the league now.

Hajek, sold.

 

[rangers1314]

I'd love to go back and read the thread for the day before the 2021 draft just to revisit all the horseshit flying around.

Simps focused on all the BS rumors, true heads focused on the schedule drop later today.

 

[Thirty One]

I'd love to go back and read the thread for the day before the 2021 draft just to revisit all the horseshit flying around.

Simps focused on all the BS rumors, true heads focused on the schedule drop later today.

Spoiler: We thought Buchnevich was going for a lot more.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Spoiler: We thought Buchnevich was going for a lot more.

This time we think Kakko's going for Miller, so I guess it's gonna be Kakko for Puljujarvi

 

[McRanger92]

So you hope Laf/KAM won't score a lot of points/get much PP time next season so we can afford JTM?

I think there is a big chance lafs point totals go up quite a bit. I also think Laf will be seeing a lot of PP time next season.

I mean K'Andre is not going to get any significant PP time either way, which is perfectly fine. As for Lafreniere, I expect him to definitely improve next year, but if they make a major center acquisition, he's not going to be on the top powerplay. This was clear when Andrew Copp played on PP1 with Strome out.

 

[CLW]

Jarmo Kekalainen on the 2022 draft.

CBJ is one of the teams rumored to be in on Chychrun (maybe Keller)? There has to be a few Coyote vets that want out. Jarmo wants to get back into the playoffs asap and he has a LOT of ammo to make deals.

I'd like Drury to make an interview like this one.

 

[McRanger92]

They don't do that

They should considering it's their job and their content is behind paywalls

 

[Clark Kellogg]

CBJ is one of the teams rumored to be in on Chychrun (maybe Keller)? There has to be a few Coyote vets that want out. Jarmo wants to get back into the playoffs asap and he has a LOT of ammo to make deals.

I'd like Drury to make an interview like this one.

Chychrun is 24. He’s on the line . Jarmo said he was looking for more of 22 year range than the 25 year range.
On Drury. They still haven’t posted the end-of-season presser. Is he shy or overly suspicious?
They should throw us fans a bone now and then.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Making a move for JT Miller, whether it’s a one-year move or if it involves a long-term deal, is simply not a good idea.

On a short-term basis, it’ll cost a lot to acquire him - say it’s hypothetically Chytil, Nils, and a 1st - which only serves to make us an extremely top-heavy team and gives us very bad bottom-6 depth.

If it involves a long-term deal, we’d have way too much money locked into aging players and would only have to pay more down the road to offload these contracts. The Rangers shouldn’t be committing $17M+ to their top-2 Cs, and I hope Drury is smarter than that.

Part of what helped the Rangers make an ECF push this year was their ability to roll 4 complete lines. That’s how PIT and TB won multiple Cups and what helped the Avs finally push themselves over the edge. Not the only factor, but it definitely gave them the edge this year.

This team is still building and has a really, really good young nucleus. Just be patient, give those kids more opportunities, and backfill leftover spots with useful support players.

 

[CLW]

the one major issue if you sign miller long term is you will have miller and zib both with big contracts that are about the same age that will both be aging out at the same time and also still being paid well. I dont think the idea of these guys both making significant money when they are both 35 and 36 at the same time is a bit sickening.

It is, but that's also part of the pay the price for "win now" isn't it. It's why I prefer the grow the foundational contention core approach, the window will be longer with fewer or no desperation poker deals needed.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Why would Vancouver trade a player who just scored 99 points for a bust?

Because apparently the need a rebuild? According to some of their fans here

 

[bleedblue94]

CBJ is one of the teams rumored to be in on Chychrun (maybe Keller)? There has to be a few Coyote vets that want out. Jarmo wants to get back into the playoffs asap and he has a LOT of ammo to make deals.

I'd like Drury to make an interview like this one.

i cant believe for a minute that anyone is trading for keller right now. there is a long history of players with femur fractures that simply aren't the same player again. no one is trading prime assets for that risk. now could he go as part of a bigger trade as a secondary piece that the yotes want off their cap, sure. he is making more real money now than his cap hit so that is a coyotes move to clear the cap, but if they just dump him it would be another hard look for that franchise right now.

 

[McRanger92]

Making a move for JT Miller, whether it’s a one-year move or if it involves a long-term deal, is simply not a good idea.

On a short-term basis, it’ll cost a lot to acquire him - say it’s hypothetically Chytil, Nils, and a 1st - which only serves to make us an extremely top-heavy team and gives us very bad bottom-6 depth.

If it involves a long-term deal, we’d have way too much money locked into aging players and would only have to pay more down the road to offload these contracts. The Rangers shouldn’t be committing $17M+ to their top-2 Cs, and I hope Drury is smarter than that.

Part of what helped the Rangers make an ECF push this year was their ability to roll 4 complete lines. That’s how PIT and TB won multiple Cups and what helped the Avs finally push themselves over the edge. Not the only factor, but it definitely gave them the edge this year.

This team is still building and has a really, really good young nucleus. Just be patient, give those kids more opportunities, and backfill leftover spots with useful support players.

The 2nd and 4th lines were a trainwreck all playoffs. We made it to the ECF because Igor was godly after G4 in PIT and the stars (Mika/Kreider/Fox/Panarin) were excellent in elimination games. Team's win Cups on the backs of their best players and adding an offensive piece like Miller would be a huge upgrade to our top 6.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I'd love to go back and read the thread for the day before the 2021 draft just to revisit all the horseshit flying around.

Simps focused on all the BS rumors, true heads focused on the schedule drop later today.

If you want I can post some tin-hat stuff so you’ll have stuff to look back on next year.

 

[CLW]

i cant believe for a minute that anyone is trading for keller right now. there is a long history of players with femur fractures that simply aren't the same player again. no one is trading prime assets for that risk. now could he go as part of a bigger trade as a secondary piece that the yotes want off their cap, sure. he is making more real money now than his cap hit so that is a coyotes move to clear the cap, but if they just dump him it would be another hard look for that franchise right now.

Oh I missed Keller broke his leg. Ouch too bad for him.

 

[rangers1314]

If you want I can post some tin-hat stuff so you’ll have stuff to look back on next year.

Just browsing the last few pages, I think that's covered.

 

[bleedblue94]

It is, but that's also part of the pay the price for "win now" isn't it. It's why I prefer the grow the foundational contention core approach, the window will be longer with fewer or no desperation poker deals needed.

that approach is also a bit of a fallacy, at some point you need to pay and commit big money to kids which then will become the obstacle to keep other players you want. it is cyclical. i just hate that both the top two centers would be making big money on contracts starting at age 29 and 30. it would be much different if one of them was 27. might seem silly but i dont want 35 and 36 year old centers aging out at the same time with big aav's. the saving grace is that when they start to become lesser players the cap will be going up giving new options.

Oh I missed Keller broke his leg. Ouch too bad for him.

gruesome injury

 

[Thirty One]

Just checked last year's thread, and a rumor from a man named Pete O'File created quite the buzz.

 

[Mac n Gs]

The 2nd and 4th lines were a trainwreck all playoffs. We made it to the ECF because Igor was godly after G4 in PIT and the stars (Mika/Kreider/Fox/Panarin) were excellent in elimination games. Team's win Cups on the backs of their best players and adding an offensive piece like Miller would be a huge upgrade to our top 6.

Copp, Goodrow, Motte, and Strome were all playing hurt.

Miller would be a very good offensive addition to the top-6, although it’d be lesser here considering Gallant’s usage, but it’s not worth what it’ll cost. What are you trading for him? Are you giving him an extension? What would your bottom-6 even be in that scenario?