Roster Building Thread - Part II: Entry Draft Edition

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Shesty’s contract expiring in 3 years doesn’t necessarily mean their window is closed, it just means they will have to retool in some way. But these 3 years represent the chance to win when you have the best players of both potential windows on the team together. It’s a no brainer to make some go for it moves now. And again, that doesn’t mean trading every future asset that isn’t bolted down.

I personally think the new regime is already looking toward the Othmann, Cuylle, Berard, Robertson wave of prospects, the organization has shown in their 12 months in charge that they value players who play that style. And even the most optimistic fans would say that Chytil/Kakko/Kravtsov/Lundkvist (to some extent) have disappointed thus far. That’s why Drury will look to move a few of them now for more established help. If one of them breaks out for another team, so be it. That’s the cost of doing business when you’re chasing championships. Now is the time, because another down year from Kakko or Chytil and you’re looking at a situation like Edmonton who can’t find a taker for a former top 5 pick.

Shesty is not guaranteed to be back in three years. A lot of moving parts including how Garand performs.

I'm not suggesting chase him out of town but it's not something to worry about until next summer at earliest. Let's see if this Rangers team is slightly weaker due to cap/rookie growing pains or doesn't have the magic that this year's team had, how Shesty does. How Garand acclimates to Hartford.

Goalies have become a lot more like NFL RBs in the last 4-5 years.

Chytil hasn't disappointed, he's very young. Remember when most NHL prospects would enter the league at 21-22?

The best organizations promote internally. Give these kids 5-6 years to grow into top 6 players.

Goodrow-Motte (he will re-sign)
Zibanejad-Kreider
XX-Kakko (I’d use KK in the Buch mold) and throw him with Kreider and Zibanejad again.

For PKing? I'd like to get one specialist like a Rafl or Nieto who excels at it, and work in some kids (Cullye?) to cutdown on the ice time of Ziba-Kreid. Blais can do it too from what I remember.

 

[McRanger92]

Shesty is not guaranteed to be back in three years. A lot of moving parts including how Garand performs.

I'm not suggesting chase him out of town but it's not something to worry about until next summer at earliest. Let's see if this Rangers team is slightly weaker due to cap/rookie growing pains or doesn't have the magic that this year's team had, how Shesty does. How Garand acclimates to Hartford.

Goalies have become a lot more like NFL RBs in the last 4-5 years.

Chytil hasn't disappointed, he's very young. Remember when most NHL prospects would enter the league at 21-22?

The best organizations promote internally. Give these kids 5-6 years to grow into top 6 players.



For PKing? I'd like to get one specialist like a Rafl or Nieto who excels at it, and work in some kids (Cullye?) to cutdown on the ice time of Ziba-Kreid. Blais can do it too from what I remember.

Shesty is not guaranteed to be back in three years. A lot of moving parts including how Garand performs.

I'm not suggesting chase him out of town but it's not something to worry about until next summer at earliest. Let's see if this Rangers team is slightly weaker due to cap/rookie growing pains or doesn't have the magic that this year's team had, how Shesty does. How Garand acclimates to Hartford.

Goalies have become a lot more like NFL RBs in the last 4-5 years.

Chytil hasn't disappointed, he's very young. Remember when most NHL prospects would enter the league at 21-22?

The best organizations promote internally. Give these kids 5-6 years to grow into top 6 players.



For PKing? I'd like to get one specialist like a Rafl or Nieto who excels at it, and work in some kids (Cullye?) to cutdown on the ice time of Ziba-Kreid. Blais can do it too from what I remember.

The odds of Garand being anywhere close to Shesterkin are extremely low. The team will prioritize Igor like they did Hank. Look at the insane prices average to flat out bad goalies are going for right now. Having a guy like Igor is such a massive advantage.

And maybe Chytil hasn’t disappointed as a late 1st round pick, but he certainly hasn’t shown he’s a core piece in his 250 NHL games. I’m not giving him away but he’s definitely available

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Patrick Kane literally plays no defense.

Like at all. He doesn't even make an effort anymore.

Playing him and Panarin on the same line would be comical. They'd try to pass the puck into the net, probably somewhat successfully (until the playoffs start at least, then Panarin will be too busy trying to pass the puck into his own net) while giving up as many chances as they generate. Like it would make all the sense in the world to play him with Kreider and Zibanejad instead where he'd at least have SOME defensive support while actually being in a mutually beneficial position offensively, but we know that won't happen.

This is star chasing at its finest, or worst if we're looking at it realistically. Not to mention he isn't coming here with out Kakko and probably our 2023 1st going the other way at minimum. Thats a ton for a rental player who you're going to have zero chance of keeping and has morphed into the ultimate one way forward. You could get a good player with control left if you're willing to trade those pieces.

Not to mention he doesn't solve this boards obsession with the C position, unless you're getting ready to roll with Chytil and someone else on the cheap at 2 and 3.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I am in favor of trading for Patty Kane, we just need to find a way to involve a 3rd team so there's double retention. That allows you to still add another center who can either play between he and Panarin or backfill on the 3rd line while Chytil moves up. Stastny would fit perfectly.

 

[Zibanejbread]

Big no thank you to Kane (especially), Strome, or Copp at this point.

 

[Alluckks]

I'd take Kane at the deadline as an add; not right now when we have areas that need more addressing

 

[Ola]

Thank f***ing god you’re not Chris Drury.

Trade Schneider for “a young C with speed”.

Then trade the young C with speed we already have.

I think there’s an easier way.

With the overall talent level we have, this team shouldn’t have to be bottom 5 across the league in puck possession stats.

The reason we find ourself there is that we don’t have that speed and playmaking ability at center ice that can match our opponents — and as a result we play more without the puck than we do with it.

This team don’t have to make trades that look good in EA Sports, we must fix structural issues.

Newhook played LW in the playoffs. They brought in Sturm as C since Newhook wasn't ready.

Chytil is no 2C, if that C spot is for Panarin. Panarin doesn't fit with Zib and Chytil is similar. Play the kids as a line and make another line around Panarin. Don't move Laf or Kreider to RW, that's square peg silliness. Chytil is limited perhaps, but he is at a good age to progress decisively (22-24) and good enough with the other kids.

If they do move Schneider, it's in a trade for a PLD type. Young proven C that is on his game right now and whose game should fit better with Panarin. JT Miller is too awkward to fit easily (age, contract) unless Vancouver accepts a deal cheap enough for a 1 year rental. Schneider is too valuable to move for that. Dach had terrible underlying numbers in Chicago. He probably landed in a good spot with MTL, with MSL there to get him back on track without win now pressure in the post-season.

PLD? What is our Plan, to become Florida Panthers North? Haven’t worked out that well for them.

 

[Rongomania]

Wait, so, people don't want to trade Schneider for PLD, but are willing to probably have to give him up anyway plus a lot more for Pat Kane? The player who actually should be nowhere near this team, being the real trash human being he is... And PLD said years ago he wants to play for a big market, the spotlight. He's played in Columbus and Winnipeg, I think he certainly has another level in him. Oh and can't deny the French Canadian connection with Laffy.

F*ck Pat Kane. Stay away from these kids.

 

[egelband]

Wait, so, people don't want to trade Schneider for PLD, but are willing to probably have to give him up anyway plus a lot more for Pat Kane? The player who actually should be nowhere near this team, being the real trash human being he is... And PLD said years ago he wants to play for a big market, the spotlight. He's played in Columbus and Winnipeg, I think he certainly has another level in him. Oh and can't deny the French Canadian connection with Laffy.

F*ck Pat Kane. Stay away from these kids.

i agree - definitely dont want Kane. but at the same time, i dont think anyone is suggesting trading schneider for him. if kane wants to join the rangers, chicago will accomodate him and the cost won't be that high.

 

[Rongomania]

i agree - definitely dont want Kane. but at the same time, i dont think anyone is suggesting trading schneider for him. if kane wants to join the rangers, chicago will accomodate him and the cost won't be that high.

ugh if I am forced to root for this guy, he better bring us a f*ckin' cup.

 

[NYR Viper]

There are more than a few examples of 5-6 year deals that don’t stay with the same team. Kreider and Trouba are not likely to last their entire contracts. Copp would be the same more than likely. Structure it properly

 

[Vitto79]

the backup G list stinks
A guy like Jones should take 2 yrs at 1 per to stay in the league

Lankinen or Rittich are risks but likely cheap . Bad years

 

[RangerBoy]

I want Sam Bennett. I was listening the DFO Podcast last night with Frank. He reported Florida tried to do some things at the draft. Nothing happened. The Panthers are trying to re-sign Marchment and Chiarot. Marchment is looking for Verhaeghe money. $4.167M. No idea what Chiarot is looking for. You read they are still trying to keep Giroux. Florida has no cap space. Duclair will miss 1/2 the season with an Achilles injury. He makes $3M. They could Duclair put on LTIR but they will need to clear space to activate him when he is healthy. That is a temporary thing.

Florida doesn't have many cheap contracts to move. They don't have many assets remaining to attach to players. I guess Florida could buyout Hornqvist's expiring contract but that adds another $1,766,667 to their team for 23-24 when they need to re-sign Huberdeau and Weegar. Something has to give.

Florida can clear $4.425M for the next three seasons with a Bennett trade.

 

[haohmaru]

LB & Patrick Kane. Come on. This is exactly the type of move the Rangers should NOT make. He's not pushing the needle to winning a Cup.

 

[Vitto79]

LB & Patrick Kane. Come on. This is exactly the type of move the Rangers should NOT make. He's not pushing the needle to winning a Cup.

I’m not advocating it but come on Kane is still a top 20 player . At the deadline you take him for a cup push . He’s also great w Panarin

Shouldn’t cost a ton as a rental

 

[haohmaru]

I’m not advocating it but come on Kane is still a top 20 player . At the deadline you take him for a cup push . He’s also great w Panarin

Shouldn’t cost a ton as a rental

At what cost for one season? No. Thank. You. He's going to cost a 1st in next years draft at the very least and more if they're retaining salary.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

My brain hurts. This is so hard to read. Just go:

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I’d love Copp as our 2C for the right cost/term. I think a lot of posters here are forgetting how good he was before getting banged up.

In easier to read fashion, what you end up with is…

Kreider - Mika - Laf
Panarin - Chytil - Kane ($5.25m)
Goodrow - Stasney ($3.25m) - Kravtsov
Motte ($1.8m) - Brodzinski/Rydahl - Blais
Gauthier

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Jones - Schneider
Braun or similar ($1m)

Igor
Halak or similar ($1m)

Trades…
Kane @50% for Kakko + Nemeth + 1st 2023
Reaves + whatever pick(s) to dump his contract for future considerations

Have about $350k of cap left over which is incredibly tight. But you’re not mortgaging the future by taking on any long-term contracts and only giving up Kakko and 2 or 3 draft picks to make it work. It’s a helluva one year roster to make a run at it, similar to what we did at the deadline this past season.

Other considerations…
- You can’t fit Kane *and* a $5m+ center unless retention occurs on both or at least one move occurs at the deadline. The math is simply impossible.
- This is NHL video game type stuff but if Brooks is to be believed about Kane, wanted to find a way to fit him *and* and upgrade at center. So technically you can fit Kane and Stasney this off-season. Only works if both Nemeth and Reaves are traded though. Buyouts for either break the whole thing.
- For the record, I’m not necessarily advocating for the above. More so an exercise to see if it’s actually possible math-wise.

 

[haohmaru]

Trades…
Kane @50% for Kakko + Nemeth + 1st 2023

This is probably in the ballpark minus Nemeth. No thanks.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

This is probably in the ballpark minus Nemeth. No thanks.

It really depends what the relationship is like between Kakko and management at this point, as well as management’s long term belief in him. Everyone said the right things during break-up day (as they should have), but we really have no idea if things are strained behind the scenes or if there’s a lack of confidence in him long term. Gallant doesn’t seem to think too highly of him considering the constant 4th line demotions and the inexplicable scratching.

 

[RangerBoy]

Florida will need to move a decent amount of money to pay some combination of Giroux, Marchment and/or Chiarot.

 

[SA16]

At what cost for one season? No. Thank. You. He's going to cost a 1st in next years draft at the very least and more if they're retaining salary.

It’s rather likely they trade the first by the deadline regardless. They’re going to know it’s likely to be a mid 20s pick or later. Only 1 of the teams from 25 on back kept their pick this year. The other 7 all traded it at some point.

 

[UnparalledPark]

I believe we will end up getting Toews, and not Kane. He’s a center for one thing. I believe he is owed a salary that is 2/3 of his AAV which means Arizona will be willing to 3rd party his acquisition. Since Toews has complete control over if and where he goes, we could probably get him for a 2nd, and send Arizona a 3rd and a prospect. A bit more if they take Nemeth. Chicago retains half, Arizona another half, we get a year (at least) of a leader/face off wiz/penalty killer/former bread man line mate for 2.6.

 

[RangerBoy]

LB & Patrick Kane. Come on. This is exactly the type of move the Rangers should NOT make. He's not pushing the needle to winning a Cup.

I thought the Rangers idea of a rebuild was to be a team which competes for a championship for the next 5-7 years. Once they acquired all of the pieces, they would be a good team for a while. You can't have the same 20 players every year but you would build a foundation and fill in the pieces around them.

Kane is such a Rongos move which backfires on them.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

I believe we will end up getting Toews, and not Kane. He’s a center for one thing. I believe he is owed a salary that is 2/3 of his AAV which means Arizona will be willing to 3rd party his acquisition. Since Toews has complete control over if and where he goes, we could probably get him for a 2nd, and send Arizona a 3rd and a prospect. A bit more if they take Nemeth. Chicago retains half, Arizona another half, we get a year (at least) of a leader/face off wiz/penalty killer/former bread man line mate for 2.6.

But can Toews still play hockey?

 

[irishlaxburger2]

I thought the Rangers idea of a rebuild was to be a team which competes for a championship for the next 5-7 years. Once they acquired all of the pieces, they would be a good team for a while. You can't have the same 20 players every year but you would build a foundation and fill in the pieces around them.

Kane is such a Rongos move which backfires on them.

Taking on him, PLD, or Miller *and* signing them to a long-term deal is a typical Rongos move. Simply acquiring one of them as a rental and treating them as such isn’t though. You can do it without disrupting the future in a major way.

Not only is it realistic, it seems pretty probable at this point. Just need to figure out which prospects/draft picks you’re willing to let go as they’re not seen as long-term pieces here.

Drury is seemingly tasked with keeping the window open as long as possible and competing immediately. This is basically what trying to thread that needle looks like.