Played 4 more games than Chytil with 15 more points. Played PK and power play. I believe his face off percentage was over 50 percent. Plus leadership. If he can’t play, it’s only one year and there won’t be many cheaper options available.
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Anthony5967
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Drury will go into Wednesday and take one last run at Copp. I bet he signs that day. Strome probably will wait because he desperately wants to stay. If that fails, I can see Drury circling back on Miller.
Come on...he is going to be a top 5 goalie EVER............he stays....we figure it out...IGOR'S BETTER...chant started in section 213
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FWIW, Corey Pronman gave the NYR draft a B-.
“The Rangers didn’t have many high picks but the few they had I liked what they did. I think both Adam Sykora and Bryce McConell-Barker have legit chances to become NHL players, even if likely at the bottom of a lineup”
“The Rangers didn’t have many high picks but the few they had I liked what they did. I think both Adam Sykora and Bryce McConell-Barker have legit chances to become NHL players, even if likely at the bottom of a lineup”
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At a certain point, you need to go for it. Some here are sadly more comfortable with 5 seasons in a row of 1st and 2nd round exits as long as we build up our prospect pool. Its far better to have 3 seasons in a row where you can legitimately compete for a cup at the expense of prospects and picks. I mean look at guys like kevin hayes, adam fox and zac jones. We literally build our prospect pool by having every college kid wanting to play for us, were talking kids who are former first rounders or first round talent
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I agree on not wanting Kane, but do you really think he’ll cost that much? Look at what Chicago just got for DeBrincat and Dach.
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Devil’s advocate - the lack of return for Dach is probably more a narrative on what the value is for Kakko, at this point
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I do because of the salary retention. It's a big hit (5M+). 1st + top prospect, IMHO.
I mean, based on similar production through this part of their careers, would you trade Kakko for a 1st an a 3rd? Kane is a much more accomplished and productive player than either of these two. Not even close. That being said, if I'm Chicago or NY, I don't make that trade.
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Even if he’s valued around the same (edit: as Dach), DeBrincat returned a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. So 1 year of Kane would return more than DeBrincat?
The two players that financially make the most sense - relative to talent and the opening at center are Scheifele and Toews at 50% retention. PLD is a near perfect fit as well but will most likely cost more (probably Kakko) in a trade - and require the bigger contract sooner.
Toews is probably the cheapest of all acquisitions cost wise - and fits our need for a more 2-way player who wins faceoffs.. If the Dolan does his background work and is willing to take whatever PR hit will come with Toews - he makes a lot of sense as far as being the type of alpha leader that this team is in desperate need of. A guy who Captained his team to 3 cups..the question is what's left in the tank.
Scheifele is the ultimate buy low as far as his talent level. If it wasn't for a down year he'd never be on the market - Offensively, his career compares very favorably to Mika and he'd have the potential to give the Rangers a true 1A/1B situation that teams would have a very difficult time shutting down. Winnipeg is going to hold out for as much as they can get - but his contract fits in near seamlessly - including the potential to extend if the cap goes up after 2 seasons and he's a fit. He does leave A LOT to be desired on the defensive end - but the team would be in a strong position to go heavy offense top-6 --- and create a full bottom-6 of checking and energy players.
PLD would have to hit the true sweet spot of taking a deal that works both now and in the future - If he's willing to extend right away in the 7/7.5 range - then a full offer of Chytil/Lundkvist and picks makes sense here -- though it would not be a shock to see WPG push for Kakko which would hurt.
Patty Kane seems like a pipe dream - sure the idea of him and Panarin scoring 120 points each is tantalizing... but doesn't seem actually conducive to the Rangers building a team that not only can win this year - but during the full window.
Toews is probably the cheapest of all acquisitions cost wise - and fits our need for a more 2-way player who wins faceoffs.. If the Dolan does his background work and is willing to take whatever PR hit will come with Toews - he makes a lot of sense as far as being the type of alpha leader that this team is in desperate need of. A guy who Captained his team to 3 cups..the question is what's left in the tank.
Scheifele is the ultimate buy low as far as his talent level. If it wasn't for a down year he'd never be on the market - Offensively, his career compares very favorably to Mika and he'd have the potential to give the Rangers a true 1A/1B situation that teams would have a very difficult time shutting down. Winnipeg is going to hold out for as much as they can get - but his contract fits in near seamlessly - including the potential to extend if the cap goes up after 2 seasons and he's a fit. He does leave A LOT to be desired on the defensive end - but the team would be in a strong position to go heavy offense top-6 --- and create a full bottom-6 of checking and energy players.
PLD would have to hit the true sweet spot of taking a deal that works both now and in the future - If he's willing to extend right away in the 7/7.5 range - then a full offer of Chytil/Lundkvist and picks makes sense here -- though it would not be a shock to see WPG push for Kakko which would hurt.
Patty Kane seems like a pipe dream - sure the idea of him and Panarin scoring 120 points each is tantalizing... but doesn't seem actually conducive to the Rangers building a team that not only can win this year - but during the full window.
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RangerBoy...Bennett adds stuff we can use and I think Turk would LOVE him . Was he drafted as a Center originally ? If so...does he possess enough skills to become a number 2 Center for us ?
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Personally, I'd do something like Lundkvist, + middling prospect need pick (whatever FL identifies as a need), + 2023 2nd.
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Yes and yes
I’m not sure the price will be that high. Maybe. Not many teams have both current and future cap space.
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Who are we trading Kane for? I’m not giving up anything of value for one season of Kane when we arent in our window.
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Also, when Hornqvist is bought out, he should be someone Drury pursues hard. He’s a good compliment to this bottom-6 and he’s a PIA
Patrick Kane? Jonathan Toews? The playoff run made this place more delusional than the rebuild did.
What’s 1 year of either of them accomplishing when we trade a decent sized haul for them, most likely don’t win the cup, then lose them in free agency for nothing?
What’s 1 year of either of them accomplishing when we trade a decent sized haul for them, most likely don’t win the cup, then lose them in free agency for nothing?
TominNC
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We're not in our window? We were in the EC final. Igor is signed to a good contract for the next few years. Mika, Panarin and Kreider aren't getting younger.
When the hell ARE we going to be in our window if not now?
Now, that doesn't mean I necessarily want Kane or any specific player, but to say this isn't the beginning of the window of Cup chances?
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Someone is going to swoop in and take Bob off Florida’s hands right? lol
I like Bennett, he would be a shrewd move but I’m not confident Florida would move him
I like Bennett, he would be a shrewd move but I’m not confident Florida would move him
irishlaxburger2
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I think it has more to do with understanding who our maniacal owner is. He didn’t ship off our entire front office last year because he didn’t want to win, and win now. That was the first clear “we need to win now” move. And us getting to the ECF is only going to fuel that (perhaps misguided) thinking further.
I’d contend it’s naive not to think our owner is believing we’re in the window currently.
Again, not necessarily advocating for it. But it is what it is.
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we're definitely in our window now but there are certainly gradations along a team's window and i think the question remains are we at that point where we're willing to spend our more valuable assets to poach expiring top notch rental players. Typically, that type of move is seen by teams that are in the middle of their window or nearing the end of their window. We just started ours. Thus, it's a complex issue.
I think at the very least, any idea that involves Patrick Kane needs to be automatically placed under the category of a TDL move. Yes, we had a great past year but our overachievement still warrants more information about our team's performance moving forward. We need to see how this team plays next season and then reevaluate if making an "end game" type of move is worthwhile. We may not fire on all cylinders next season and even have good confidence in a long post season run. Injuries can occur, chemistry can fall apart, some of our players may regress or other teams may end up surprising and then the landscape of our conference is already different.
A lot of unknowns and sometimes even "unknown unknowns". No way should we pull one of these "poach a top rental player" move now. It only happens if by the TDL, everything is looking very good for us. Otherwise, there's no point.
I think at the very least, any idea that involves Patrick Kane needs to be automatically placed under the category of a TDL move. Yes, we had a great past year but our overachievement still warrants more information about our team's performance moving forward. We need to see how this team plays next season and then reevaluate if making an "end game" type of move is worthwhile. We may not fire on all cylinders next season and even have good confidence in a long post season run. Injuries can occur, chemistry can fall apart, some of our players may regress or other teams may end up surprising and then the landscape of our conference is already different.
A lot of unknowns and sometimes even "unknown unknowns". No way should we pull one of these "poach a top rental player" move now. It only happens if by the TDL, everything is looking very good for us. Otherwise, there's no point.
Don’t show this to Adam Hermanator.
But it is salary retention for 1 year and more importantly Kane has full control of where he goes. If he does say I will only go to the Rangers than what do you think Chicago gets? Kakko? No shot. A 1st, 2nd, and maybe a mid level prospect.
I don’t inherently disagree with this thought process, I just don’t think it’s the kind of thing Drury has in his game plan.
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