Roster Building Thread - Part II: Entry Draft Edition

[egelband]

Kakko’s unwillingness to take the puck into the slot is the most frustrating thing about him, and you see it as a strength?

I see it as a potential strength. We know he can do it.

 

[rangers1314]

It sounds like things “got real” for Kane in the last 24 hours.

Pagnotta (I think) said Kane, his agent, and the Org will be revisiting the topic of his future this week. We know what this is about. Kane will enter that meeting with his list of teams.

His agent, Pat Brisson, also rep’s Toews.

 

[Fitzy]

I'm probably going to get a lot of shit for this, but my favorite Rangers coach post-lockout era is Tom Renney.

This is a bad take sir

 

[JimmyG89]

Copp played 36 games with the Rangers. Not necessarily a small sample. 32 points in those games. 20 we're postseason.

Copp is the 2C if he is signed. The fact Drury is talking to him and not Strome is perfect. He knows that Copp is better and that they don't need him for Panarin.

I think you have to look at that production and you have to decide if Copp has peaked or was getting out of Winnipeg all he needed to get out from behind some really talented forwards.

It's not easy to watch that walk out the door and take a chance with another player. If Drury does it, he is taking a risk. At least an acceptable risk. But you need to find someone behind Chytil, either in free agency or trade.

 

[Thirty One]

Basement Artie Staple said earlier this year on the podcast that he believes that the only teams Kane will want to go are the Sabres and Rangers.

 

[Boris Zubov]

It sounds like things “got real” for Kane in the last 24 hours.

Pagnotta (I think) said Kane, his agent, and the Org will be revisiting the topic of his future this week. We know what this is about. Kane will enter that meeting with his list of teams.

His agent, Pat Brisson, also rep’s Toews.

I hate the idea of this, but this is such a Rangers move given the history of this team. Praying they can scam a 3rd team into retaining a 1/4 of his salary leaving us a cap hit of 2.6M.

 

[egelband]

It sounds like things “got real” for Kane in the last 24 hours.

Pagnotta (I think) said Kane, his agent, and the Org will be revisiting the topic of his future this week. We know what this is about. Kane will enter that meeting with his list of teams.

His agent, Pat Brisson, also rep’s Toews.

Please no. I don’t want to be forced to root for this punk.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Larry Brooks is such a hack. So if the Rangers get Kane and Chicago retains 50% isn't that going to be a steep cost for a 1 year rental who isn't a center? Who is going the other way? Who is going to play 2C then? He doesn't talk about any of this at all. I think he just likes to read his own drivel. I can't wait until he retires.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

If we really wanna get crazy with Brooksie's Kane idea, this somehow all fits, albeit with some craziness....

FORWARDS (13)
Right wing: Alexis Lafrenière ($925,000) - Patrick Kane ($5,250,000) - Vitali Kravtsov ($875,000) - Samuel Blais ($1,525,000)
Centre: Mika Zibanejad ($8,500,000) - Paul Stastny ($3,250,000) - Filip Chytil ($2,300,000) - Jonny Brodzinski ($762,500)
Left wing: Chris Kreider ($6,500,000) - Artemi Panarin ($11,642,857) - Barclay Goodrow ($3,641,667) - Tyler Motte ($1,800,000) - Julien Gauthier ($800,000)

DEFENSE (7)
Right: Adam Fox ($9,500,000) - Jacob Trouba ($8,000,000) - Braden Schneider ($925,000)
Left: Ryan Lindgren ($3,000,000) - K'Andre Miller ($925,000) - Zachary Jones ($925,000) - Justin Braun ($1,000,000)

GOALTENDER (2)
Igor Shesterkin ($5,666,667) - Jaroslav Halák ($1,000,000)

Roster Size: 22
Salary Cap: $82,500,000
Cap Hit: $82,141,469
Cap Space: $358,531

Assumes Kakko + Nemeth + 1st for Kane (@50%)
And dumping Reaves + draft pick for future considerations

My brain hurts. This is so hard to read. Just go:

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That's where we differ and think you're wrong.

Copp is exactly what we need and is very similar to those players.

I get it though... he's lost his luster. We need something shinier. We need to hold out hope for the perfect 2C. Who could be a 1C if needed... and doesn't cost much.

I’d love Copp as our 2C for the right cost/term. I think a lot of posters here are forgetting how good he was before getting banged up.

 

[RGY]

Kane can only be a deadline acquisition for him to be able to fit.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Kane is a move to make a move

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Copp is washed up - trust me on this …

He’s a plodder…

We got the best of him - he’s reached his ceiling.

Think Andrew Ladd

Trust you?!?

LOL…. Uhhhhhh……..

I have more trust that one of Bern’s, 6 team, 49 player proposals actually happens, than trusting you over what color Milk is, even if you guess correctly 100% of the time.

 

[NikC]

Kane is a move to make a move

yeah, its also a move to bring in another 90-100p forward... whos won a stanley cup

 

[CLW]

My brain hurts. This is so hard to read. Just go:

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I’d love Copp as our 2C for the right cost/term. I think a lot of posters here are forgetting how good he was before getting banged up.

Copp is a good player. Is he a good player for 6 years at a serious cap hit (relatively)? Probably not. Weren't people worried about his injuries? And look, he was injured again in the playoffs.

I genuinely like the player type, he's a good hockey player, but there are a lot of things that I don't like about signing him to a long UFA contract. His type is not that uncommon.

 

[Off Sides]

So if the remaining Shesty contract represents their window, the next 3 years, and they need to go all in during that time, where does that leave them when his contract ends?

Or to put it another way, how can they have it both ways where they have this window, and also slam that window shut by extending him after this current contract?

If they make the choice to go all in during these next 3 years, which I would understand, then they can't extend him to some crazy expensive contract in 3 years and have both of those things make sense.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

So if the remaining Shesty contract represents their window, the next 3 years, and they need to go all in during that time, where does that leave them when his contract ends?

Or to put it another way, how can they have it both ways where they have this window, and also slam that window shut by extending him after this current contract?

If they make the choice to go all in during these next 3 years, which I would understand, then they can't extend him to some crazy expensive contract in 3 years and have both of those things make sense.

Retool. Every competitive team does it in the cap era. One step back to come back strong later. Even the highly lauded Lightning had to after their 2015 SCF appearance.

 

[McRanger92]

So if the remaining Shesty contract represents their window, the next 3 years, and they need to go all in during that time, where does that leave them when his contract ends?

Or to put it another way, how can they have it both ways where they have this window, and also slam that window shut by extending him after this current contract?

If they make the choice to go all in during these next 3 years, which I would understand, then they can't extend him to some crazy expensive contract in 3 years and have both of those things make sense.

Shesty’s contract expiring in 3 years doesn’t necessarily mean their window is closed, it just means they will have to retool in some way. But these 3 years represent the chance to win when you have the best players of both potential windows on the team together. It’s a no brainer to make some go for it moves now. And again, that doesn’t mean trading every future asset that isn’t bolted down.

I personally think the new regime is already looking toward the Othmann, Cuylle, Berard, Robertson wave of prospects, the organization has shown in their 12 months in charge that they value players who play that style. And even the most optimistic fans would say that Chytil/Kakko/Kravtsov/Lundkvist (to some extent) have disappointed thus far. That’s why Drury will look to move a few of them now for more established help. If one of them breaks out for another team, so be it. That’s the cost of doing business when you’re chasing championships. Now is the time, because another down year from Kakko or Chytil and you’re looking at a situation like Edmonton who can’t find a taker for a former top 5 pick.

 

[Anthony5967]

Goodrow-Motte (he will re-sign)
Zibanejad-Kreider
XX-Kakko (I’d use KK in the Buch mold) and throw him with Kreider and Zibanejad again.

 

[Tob]

Not sure why the Hawks left the keys with Kyle Davidson. Underwhelming returns for both Dach and Debrincat. Dach is far more acceptable but it feels like internally they set a deadline and a must sell by date for themselves on a very young player who has had injuries. Then the Mrazek trade was a real layup for Dubas only trading down 12 or so spots from the 20s to the 30s to dump a contract that they absolutely had to dump both in terms of cap ($3.8M) and a broken player that will not play well there. That's bad value, bad negotiation.

Arizona got a 2nd and a 3rd plus moved up by 3 spots to take on Kassian (low $3M) who is far more useful than Mrazek even if Chicago "needs" a goalie. There were a number of teams (EDM/OTT) knocking on Holland's door to take Kassian with assets attached because Kassian is somewhat useful still and that package of 2nd+3rd+down 3 was the most acceptable one Holland got. OTT and CBJ were asking for more than that, likely the same deal except Arizona's pick swap was 29 down to 32 and not 29 down to the late 30s or 40s. Did Davidson owe Dubas a favor after that leaking Fleury trade interest to the media? There was no shortage of suitor for Debrincat and Dach and they rushed it or weren't urgent enough prior to their self imposed draft day deadline to get more.

I'm not on the Kane train but Drury was very offer trigger happy last deadline. Drury held firm on his offers for months so that's the good news. I suspect the Buchnevich situation had more going on behind it on top of moving him out to clear a spot for Kakko. I don't know why Brooks keeps harping Kane but if it has any merit, I'm pretty confident in Drury's ability to get a deal done favorably especially if Kane wants to pick his spot and we're one of them.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

yeah, its also a move to bring in another 90-100p forward... whos won a stanley cup

I know that when I look at the roster construction of this team, the thing that really stands out is “gee whiz this team could really use another high priced, high cost of acquisition winger”

 

[McRanger92]

Not sure why the Hawks left the keys with Kyle Davidson. Underwhelming returns for both Dach and Debrincat. Dach is far more acceptable but it feels like internally they set a deadline and a must sell by date for themselves on a very young player who has had injuries. Then the Mrazek trade was a real layup for Dubas only trading down 12 or so spots from the 20s to the 30s to dump a contract that they absolutely had to dump both in terms of cap ($3.8M) and a broken player that will not play well there. That's bad value, bad negotiation.

Arizona got a 2nd and a 3rd plus moved up by 3 spots to take on Kassian (low $3M) who is far more useful than Mrazek even if Chicago "needs" a goalie. There were a number of teams (EDM/OTT) knocking on Holland's door to take Kassian with assets attached because Kassian is somewhat useful still and that package of 2nd+3rd+down 3 was the most acceptable one Holland got. OTT and CBJ were asking for more than that, likely the same deal except Arizona's pick swap was 29 down to 32 and not 29 down to the late 30s or 40s. Did Davidson owe Dubas a favor after that leaking Fleury trade interest to the media? There was no shortage of suitor for Debrincat and Dach and they rushed it or weren't urgent enough prior to their self imposed draft day deadline to get more.

I'm not on the Kane train but Drury was very offer trigger happy last deadline. Drury held firm on his offers for months so that's the good news. I suspect the Buchnevich situation had more going on behind it on top of moving him out to clear a spot for Kakko. I don't know why Brooks keeps harping Kane but if it has any merit, I'm pretty confident in Drury's ability to get a deal done favorably especially if Kane wants to pick his spot and we're one of them.

Davidson botching the Kane & Toews exits seems like only a matter of time. As does Kane to the Rangers, either now or in March.

 

[McRanger92]

I know that when I look at the roster construction of this team, the thing that really stands out is “gee whiz this team could really use another high priced, high cost of acquisition winger”

The Rangers need more skill in the top 6, and especially with Panarin. I bet we’re talking about his playoff performance in a much different way if some of the bums he played with could actually finish the chances he creates

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Imagine running a business where your employees pay you back when business is slow. Must be nice.

It’s comical. Pure amateur hour from the NHL.

 

[Priorae]

I just don’t know if Copp is part of the 1-2 year plan they really need. We are going to get so much better, it’s really about next year.

 

[IDvsEGO]

yeah, its also a move to bring in another 90-100p forward... whos won a stanley cup

Out of his 92 points 31 we’re on the pp.
if the goal is to let Kane score another 90 points then sure he gets stromes pp spot.
If the goal is to drive laf’s game forward a step, then Kane likely is looking at a 50-60 pt season.
It’s not as black and white as kane will immediately score 90.
It kicks either Laf or Kakko to the third again.
It’s a 1 year move and probably weakens us long term.