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Roster Building Thread - Part II: Entry Draft Edition

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duhmetreE said:
Was Kadri the long term solution to win the cup when they traded for him? A 50pts middle 6 player
Is Cirielli a long term solution to win a cup?
Brayden Schenn?

people are looking for unicorns. We are handcuffed with our options. There isn't going to be a 1C as our 2C. No one is going to trade us a cost-controlled stud Center. This is a hard capped league in a flat world. Copp is as good as it gets, as an option for us in this scenario.

He fills the role perfectly.
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Schenn and Kadri are much better players.

Cirelli is also a better player, is more cost effective, younger, faster and has 2 cups. If you compare there 21-24 age seasons it’s not even close.
 
LannyMcdonald said:
For sure Torts has a shelf like. But for all his flaws, he builds teams with character. Our 2014 and 2015 runs, while coached by AV, were built on what Torts instilled in that core.
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Maybe but Torts treated Zooks poorly yet Zooks played a large role on the 2014-2015 NYR success.
 
Sayba said:
Schenn and Kadri are much better players.

Cirelli is also a better player, is more cost effective, younger, faster and has 2 cups. If you compare there 21-24 age seasons it’s not even close.
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That's where we differ and think you're wrong.

Copp is exactly what we need and is very similar to those players.

I get it though... he's lost his luster. We need something shinier. We need to hold out hope for the perfect 2C. Who could be a 1C if needed... and doesn't cost much.
 
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duhmetreE said:
That's where we differ and think you're wrong.

Copp is exactly what we need and is very similar to those players.

I get it though... he's lost his luster. We need something shinier. We need to hold out hope for the perfect 2C. Who could be a 1C if needed... and doesn't cost much.
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What are you talking about? Schenn has multiple 50 point seasons a 70 point season and won a cup.

Kadri has multiple 50 Point seasons and a 80 point season and a won a cup.

Both are true top 6 forwards at center. Copp has 1 50 point season isn’t a true center and hasn’t been a top 6 most of his career.
 
Sayba said:
What are you talking about? Schenn has multiple 50 point seasons a 70 point season and won a cup.

Kadri has multiple 50 Point seasons and a 80 point season and a won a cup.

Both are true top 6 forwards at center. Copp has 1 50 point season isn’t a true center and hasn’t been a top 6 most of his career.
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If you can't watch him play and see how he'd project on this team, I don't know what to tell you.

What aspect of their games are different? or 'much better'
 
LannyMcdonald said:
For sure Torts has a shelf like. But for all his flaws, he builds teams with character. Our 2014 and 2015 runs, while coached by AV, were built on what Torts instilled in that core.
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I'm probably going to get a lot of shit for this, but my favorite Rangers coach post-lockout era is Tom Renney.
 
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duhmetreE said:
If you can't watch him play and see how he'd project on this team, I don't know what to tell you.

What aspect of their games are different? or 'much better'
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They are both former top 10 picks, there is a difference in talent level and career performance. I’m not saying Copp is a bad player or can’t compete with either guy, I don’t think he is worth the money considering our salary cap constraints. I don’t think the Rangers would be searching high and low for an alternative if they were sold on the idea either.

I’m not sure the answer, but I want it to be something around a package including Lundkvist.
 
duhmetreE said:
That's where we differ and think you're wrong.

Copp is exactly what we need and is very similar to those players.

I get it though... he's lost his luster. We need something shinier. We need to hold out hope for the perfect 2C. Who could be a 1C if needed... and doesn't cost much.
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Copp is washed up - trust me on this …

He’s a plodder…

We got the best of him - he’s reached his ceiling.

Think Andrew Ladd
 
Boris Zubov said:
It's Friday night & I'm gonna assume you've been drinking...a lot.
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I don't drink alcohol.

I liked the culture and attitude Renney built with the team after the lockout.

Honestly a lot of the tenacity and hard work was built under Renney's watch and carried over to the Tortorella era.

Renney brought back a winning culture, hard work, made the Rangers enjoyable to watch again. A lot of that was Jagr and Lundqvist sure. But Renney also got a lot out of lesser players. I also liked Renney as a person, and I liked his coaching staff who I met outside of MSG once they were a good group.
 
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huerter said:
Wait wait wait...you think the royal road revolution isn't on the horizon?
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I think there's a revolution coming somewhere down the road, but the royal road, whatever the f@ck that is, has nothing to do with it, whatsoever.

GENESISPuck94 said:
I don't drink alcohol.

I liked the culture and attitude Renney built with the team after the lockout.

Honestly a lot of the tenacity and hard work was built under Renney's watch and carried over to the Tortorella era.

Renney brought back a winning culture, hard work, made the Rangers enjoyable to watch again. A lot of that was Jagr and Lundqvist sure. But Renney also got a lot out of lesser players. I also liked Renney as a person, and I liked his coaching staff who I met outside of MSG once they were a good group.
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Renney was so far out of his depth. It was Jagr & Hank...and smoke & mirrors, then Brendan Shanahan for a season, then....he was out of answers.

Renney would've been a good AHL coach. He was not a good NHL coach.
 
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Boris Zubov said:
Must be nice to live in your own universe.

Yes Larry, some of us still care that we gutted our core because Neil Smith couldn't help himself & Keenan was a sociopath.
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I still care about losing Amonte, Zubov, Weight, Kovalev. Rangers could've won multiple Cups instead of the one. Losing those guys lead directly to the dark ages.
 
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Boris Zubov said:
I think there's a revolution coming somewhere down the road, but the royal road, whatever the f@ck that is, has nothing to do with it, whatsoever.


Renney was so far out of his depth. It was Jagr & Hank...and smoke & mirrors, then Brendan Shanahan for a season, then....he was out of answers.

Renney would've been a good AHL coach. He was not a good NHL coach.
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I disagree. He got a lot out of Moore, Hollweg, Betts, Rozsival, Ricinsky, Cullen, Avery, Malik... to start with. He gave Callahan, Dubinsky, Girardi, Staal their opportunities. The last season he lost the team, that happens to nearly every coach. But he set a foundation for future Rangers teams, got them to be competitive again. Those teams gave the fans beliefe in the team again.
 
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Boris Zubov said:
I think there's a revolution coming somewhere down the road, but the royal road, whatever the f@ck that is, has nothing to do with it, whatsoever.
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Imagine watching a puck get whacked around in chaotic fashion and not picking up on the fact that the royal road is the path to success. You might as well just watch bubble hockey.
 
duhmetreE said:
essentially. The center of the ice. It's referenced for when the puck is passed across the middle, the chance of scoring goes up dramatically...

We knew this since NHL94
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I think the key is being able to control the puck in the slot, at least in the playoffs. That’s why I’m so excited about Kakko. He can actually do that when he’s right.
 
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The Kane stuff...I love Larry but go to your room. It's almost like the huge Rogers internet outage in Canada caused the Canadian media to text Larry and write some crazy stuff to keep everyone busy. It's lunacy and doesn't make any sense unless Malkin is taking Kariya/Selanne to Colorado money to try and win a Cup here.

I wouldn't call Torts a Ponzi scheme as @Ola said. He got a lot out of some Rangers teams that were deprived of skill. It was time for him to go after 2012-13 though.

Rangers have been mostly fine with coaches since the 2005-06 reboot. All of Renney, Torts, AV, and Gallant have their pros and cons. All have been successful in different wats with different hands they were dealt.

Quinn is the only one I take issue with.
 
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egelband said:
I think the key is being able to control the puck in the slot, at least in the playoffs. That’s why I’m so excited about Kakko. He can actually do that when he’s right.
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Kakko’s unwillingness to take the puck into the slot is the most frustrating thing about him, and you see it as a strength?
 
Kakko has two jobs this offseason; get quicker and shoot from every angle. No passing next year please unless he's doing that Gretzky's office trick which worked at least 3x in the playoffs.

So for a backup, I'm curious what trading Husso means for the Blues and Charlie Lindgren. Are they going to try and resign him now with a few days left or is Ryan pitching for him to come here?

I expect Kakko and Motte extensions in the next 2-3 days. Rangers nee PKers badly if Strome/Copp/Rooney are walking.
 
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