Roster Building Thread - Part II: Entry Draft Edition

[bleedblue94]

Also it’s beyond clear Drury doesn’t think Chytil can be a 2C, which if I’m Chytil I’m thinking “wtf do I have to do to get a shot?”

play better than just the two week spurt in the playoffs.

 

[TominNC]

Here's our big chance to gabagool our way to the cup.

No thanks. He was useless against us.

 

[McRanger92]

Here's our big chance to gabagool our way to the cup.

“Great teammate!” “We love him!” Now get the hell out of here!

No wonder they want to get rid of him. He stunk in the playoffs. Tony giving up on the play after Mika lifted his stick out if his hands, leading to a Kreider goal in Game 3 was a perfect encapsulation of him as a player

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

NYR don't see Copp as a Center.

Winnipeg played him at RW. NYR traded for him to be a RW. They played Strome on 1 leg at Center over Copp at the position.

Copp looks in the mirror and see's a Center. He might be the only one.

Funny thing is, and i may be one of the few, but i do view Copp as a center. He was just not used there. The guy ia a 200ft player and has the most affect defensively at center, along with his ability to win faceoffs. Just what i see as just a few of the most important traits to be a centerman.

 

[Thirty One]

Go long-term on Tony. I dare you.

 

[Crease]

Kane's cap hit at 50% retained is $5.25 million. Honestly, would rather that money go to Kane than Strome or Copp next season. Just a question of what the cost of acquisition would be.

 

[Thirty One]

Kane's cap hit at 50% retained is $5.75 million. Honestly, would rather that money go to Kane than Strome or Copp next season. Just a question of what the cost of acquisition would be.

$5.25 million. Accountant here at your service.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Kane's cap hit at 50% retained is $5.75 million. Honestly, would rather that money go to Kane than Strome or Copp next season. Just a question of what the cost of acquisition would be.

At that point, I'd rather trade for JT Miller, as we really need a center more than another winger.

 

[Crease]

At that point, I'd rather trade for JT Miller, as we really need a center more than another winger.

Fair. Both are expiring contacts.

 

[DialUp]

No thanks. He was useless against us.

For us, against us...FUAU TONY D

 

[IDvsEGO]

I can’t get behind this movement to go with a Chytil as our 2C. Yes he had a hot playoffs and actually played hard for once, but he doesn’t do anything the Rangers need from that spot. Hasn’t produced at at a top 6 level, nothing special defensively and doesn’t PK, can’t win a faceoff. He’s not that player, despite fans wanting him to become that overnight, with little to no evidence that he will. How quick we’ve forgotten he was getting healthy scratched in the second half of the season.

They need a center from outside the organization, I’m not sure how much more obvious it could be.

Strome doesnt win faceoffs either.
Im not really that worried about him losing faceoffs.

 

[huerter]

Also it’s beyond clear Drury doesn’t think Chytil can be a 2C, which if I’m Chytil I’m thinking “wtf do I have to do to get a shot?”

Discover the royal road.

 

[McRanger92]

Strome doesnt win faceoffs either.
Im not really that worried about him losing faceoffs.

Strome is still better than Chytil in almost every other facet of the game, despite what his haters say ( for the record, I do not want him back under any circumstances). They need someone better than both.

 

[Synergy27]

TDA to Philly. Buckle up.

 

[LORDE]

Yup, and the decision to not invest in Chytil as a potential top 6 isn’t taken now, it was taken in the summer of 2021 when we signed him to a 2 year deal just like the decision to not invest long term in Buchnevich was taken in 2019.

The moment you wait until a player have “earned” a contract, it’s per definition too late to get good value with a new contract for that player.

I realize that it’s too black and white to argue in definite terms regarding these things. Chytil could break out, score 50 pts with Panarin, be resigned for say 4.75m per, and still keep developing into a 8m player. But largely, 9 of 10 times, you seal a player’s faith the second you give him a bridge deal of you end up being forced to give him a horrible contract.

This has been a long failure of this org

The few times they did extend someone early, like they did w Skjei they ended up trading him.

We need to do a much better job of developing and scouting at the pro level... sorting out who we need to keep, who to be patient with, who we need to jettison and who to go after earlier than when they're UFAs

We draft, then trade Miller away and watch him develop elsewhere only to expend further assets to bring him back AFTER he's become something.

This is our way and it is a BIG part of why we never win cups.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Strome is still better than Chytil in almost every other facet of the game, despite what his haters say ( for the record, I do not want him back under any circumstances). They need someone better than both.

Strome is good at finding soft spots on the ice. But Chytil is faster, has shown he can actually play more physical game, and he can play more of a N/S game. Chytil is also significantly younger and might just take time to figure things out.

 

[LamoTheKid]

Howling laughing thinking about TonyD and Torts on the same team.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This has been a long failure of this org

The few times they did extend someone early, like they did w Skjei they ended up trading him.

We need to do a much better job of developing and scouting at the pro level... sorting out who we need to keep, who to be patient with, who we need to jettison and who to go after earlier than when they're UFAs

We draft, then trade Miller away and watch him develop elsewhere only to expend further assets to bring him back AFTER he's become something.

This is our way and it is a BIG part of why we never win cups.

The bridge in this situation is 100% on Gorton.

Barely a year into the rebuild, he went out and spent huge on Panarin, which is going to end up going down as his biggest mistake. A little bit less than 2 years after the letter, they tied up more than a quarter of their cap in 3 players (Panarin, Trouba, Kreider.)

It's one thing if you're spending big on keeping guys while your competing, but they weren't even competitive and he's handing out massive contracts before this team even has a chance to mold into anything. It was dumb then and it's still dumb. It's the instant gratification that some here (and him, he did the same thing in Boston) that just can't be resisted for what ever reason. Now it didn't crush Boston in the long run as they won eventually and have stayed pretty competitive for over a decade so we can only hope for the same here, but all it really does it make your work harder for you, or in JG's case, for his successors at both spots.

The flat cap also doesn't help matters.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

Vegas odds on torts murdering De'angelo before seasons end?

 

[tlk]

Vegas odds on torts murdering De'angelo before seasons end?

...or the other way round

 

[bleedblue94]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news... but Andrew Copp is about as good as it gets for our middle6C role. Letting him walk is not the play.

This is all negotiation. Both parties are trying to get the best prices.

and who cares about term, by the backend of that contract the cap is going to be up 30 mil.

 

[DialUp]

ToneD is going to do just fine under Torts. They share similar...worldly views. I wouldn't be surprised if he respects the hell out of Torts and falls immediately in line.

Flyers are going to be much better this year, they will get that new HC boost out of the gate. They could very well be who pushes Boston out of a PO spot.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The bridge in this situation is 100% on Gorton.

Barely a year into the rebuild, he went out and spent huge on Panarin, which is going to end up going down as his biggest mistake. A little bit less than 2 years after the letter, they tied up more than a quarter of their cap in 3 players (Panarin, Trouba, Kreider.)

It's one thing if you're spending big on keeping guys while your competing, but they weren't even competitive and he's handing out massive contracts before this team even has a chance to mold into anything. It was dumb then and it's still dumb. It's the instant gratification that some here (and him, he did the same thing in Boston) that just can't be resisted for what ever reason. Now it didn't crush Boston in the long run as they won eventually and have stayed pretty competitive for over a decade so we can only hope for the same here, but all it really does it make your work harder for you, or in JG's case, for his successors at both spots.

The flat cap also doesn't help matters.

Im of two minds on those signings.

The signings were good in the sense that it kept our kids from being entirely overwhelmed and being eased into the situation. Trouba ate alot of tough minutes at first which helped ease fox and miller in, and now we have one of the best top 4's in the league.
Panarin is one of the best players in the league when he's on his game. When you have the space and availability to get a player like that take it. The initial targets for our draft picks in 19, and 20 were likely centers. Zegras and lundell. We get those picks then the signings of CK and panarin are absolutely fine, and we dont sign mika to his deal and we have plenty of space.
The problem is we won kakko and laf, and they play wing spots. We don't have a high end center prospect coming into camp this year on the level of zegras or lundell.

The problem is that we're looking at those signings in hindsight, but both panarin and CK were solid signings who took less to play in ny. Trouba was an overpay at the time, and more now, but he played a big role in the playoffs and has seriously helped our defense a ton the past 2 years.

 

[bleedblue94]

The bridge in this situation is 100% on Gorton.

Barely a year into the rebuild, he went out and spent huge on Panarin, which is going to end up going down as his biggest mistake. A little bit less than 2 years after the letter, they tied up more than a quarter of their cap in 3 players (Panarin, Trouba, Kreider.)

It's one thing if you're spending big on keeping guys while your competing, but they weren't even competitive and he's handing out massive contracts before this team even has a chance to mold into anything. It was dumb then and it's still dumb. It's the instant gratification that some here (and him, he did the same thing in Boston) that just can't be resisted for what ever reason. Now it didn't crush Boston in the long run as they won eventually and have stayed pretty competitive for over a decade so we can only hope for the same here, but all it really does it make your work harder for you, or in JG's case, for his successors at both spots.

The flat cap also doesn't help matters.

i think you too easily dismiss the idea that dolan wanted a star here for marketing despite a rebuild.

 

[IDvsEGO]

ToneD is going to do just fine under Torts. They share similar...worldly views. I wouldn't be surprised if he respects the hell out of Torts and falls immediately in line.

Flyers are going to be much better this year, they will get that new HC boost out of the gate. They could very well be who pushes Boston out of a PO spot.

The problem isnt their political views. its their hockey views.
Tony is terrible at defense, and tort doesn't care if you can score 40 goals as a defenseman if you dont block shots and play the body.