Roster Building Thread - Part II: Entry Draft Edition

[irishlaxburger2]

I get what you are saying, but maybe it depends on what “becomes a 2C” means. If he scores something like 20 goals and 50 points, I think that shows he’s well on his way. He would still probably cost well under $5M on a 2-4 year extension, which is significantly cheaper than the other options.

That's likely the ideal middle ground NYR would need for the cap to work out perfectly. But from a competitive hockey perspective, is that what the team needs for the next few years to compete for a Cup while Igor is still making less than $6M?

The "best case scenario" here is actually not a great one for the Rangers. This is why going all-in on an established commodity to compete for the next 3 years is being floated constantly.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Really hope the NYR don’t cave and give Strome a $5M+ x 5-6 year deal.

At some point in a flat cap world the musical chairs are gonna stop. If Strome wants to take that in Seattle, let him.

 

[duhmetreE]

every offseason, for the past few years, it's been the same.

THIS IS THE YEAR.. Chytil is our 2C.

He's been nearly the same exact player for 5 years. He has all the talent that is needed... it doesn't mean he will put it together just yet. It could be next season, it could be 3 seasons from now.. It could never happen. Betting all our chips on him is a fools errand.. then there's the injury concerns that always derail him

Let him prove it, before we anoint him.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Well there is a difference between shedding money, getting young players & picks with the aim to reset your franchise and complete in 2 years versus being a decades long humiliation like AZ.

You see this type of "reset" like Chicago is doing in other sports. It's not uncommon. And when the ONLY chance you have at sustained success if via the draft, you gotta get yourself a lot of picks (and have the luck of a few of them being high).

It’s difficult for me to get behind believing this is a reset when the players jettisoned are 24 DeBrincat, 21 Dach and Hagel 23.
Two of the three most teams would consider building blocks.

 

[Ola]

Ding ding ding! The Chytil commentary is so accurate. The best case scenario for Rangers fans is that he *does* prove he’s a legit 2C. But then the problem is there won’t be any room to sign him on his next deal. So he’s lost anyway. Might as well trade him while he has trade value.

Yup, and the decision to not invest in Chytil as a potential top 6 isn’t taken now, it was taken in the summer of 2021 when we signed him to a 2 year deal just like the decision to not invest long term in Buchnevich was taken in 2019.

The moment you wait until a player have “earned” a contract, it’s per definition too late to get good value with a new contract for that player.

I realize that it’s too black and white to argue in definite terms regarding these things. Chytil could break out, score 50 pts with Panarin, be resigned for say 4.75m per, and still keep developing into a 8m player. But largely, 9 of 10 times, you seal a player’s faith the second you give him a bridge deal of you end up being forced to give him a horrible contract.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I agree that it stinks. But the reality for contending teams, like the Rangers, right now is that shedding salary to those teams tanking is pretty damn easy. Go dump every bad contract you have for draft collateral right now. It's going to kill parity in the sport, but if you're not doing it, you're not truly be competitive either.

If Nemeth isn't traded, it will have been a wasted opportunity for Drury. You could probably add a couple more names in there as well.

The other concern I have is that all these picks will have a harder time developing. How many future NHL careers won’t be because they’re stuck in a system that is overwhelmed?

 

[RangerBoy]

I was listening to Thomas Drance of The Athletic last night after the draft on a live podcast on their website. He was talking about Miller and how the Canucks asking price for Miller is high. None of these teams have come close to meeting the asking price. He wasn't sure what happened with the Islanders.



Yzerman traded a 3rd for Husso's rights.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

The other concern I have is that all these picks will have a harder time developing. How many future NHL careers won’t be because they’re stuck in a system that is overwhelmed?

Also a great point. You can't hold onto all your prospects and remain even somewhat competitive.

And this is not advocating for the Rangers to totally cut bait and throw away the future for today. But a healthy balance needs to constantly be in place letting go of the ones that need letting go and keeping those that are part of your future. Making the correct assessments on each of those is going to determine our window for the next decade or so.

 

[NYR Viper]

Another goalie off the board

Kuemper and Campbell are going to be highly sought after. Someone is going to get Puljujaarvi for a song when Edmotnon realizes they have to overpay for one of them

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Time for the NHL to adopt an NBA style lottery process.

Agree. Not an expert but it was similar to the NHL previous system with the exception of teams 9-14 after the first 8 are assigned.

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[Ola]

What I think is likely, with many of these UFA's, is that there are a select number of open spots on a contender with cap space. There are teams out there who may overpay for a guy like Strome or Copp or others. In saying that, there aren't enough spots for ALL of them. Once a few dominoes fall, it's going to be like musical chairs where a lot of these guys are going to be scrambling to find a chair. This SHOULD put Drury in a good spot if he holds firm.

I also get the sense that all of these rumors about going after PLD, Miller, etc are smokescreens to try to force Copp to re-sign before UFA at Drury's number. Pretty much saying, 'if you're going wait and play this game, we will pursue other options and this chair may not be here when you look to find it'.

100% agree, and definitely hope this is Drury’s strategy.

Simply because, to really contend next season it just don’t add up unless Drury pulls a few rabbits out of a hat. Honestly, on a good established team, with the potential to give a center an opportunity to play with a winger like Panarin — the odds of pulling that or those rabbits isn’t extremely low. But if we don’t try, if we aim for some low upside solution at an half expensive rate, it’s not happening anyway.

 

[rangers1314]

It’s difficult for me to get behind believing this is a reset when the players jettisoned are 24 DeBrincat, 21 Dach and Hagel 23.
Two of the three most teams would consider building blocks.

DeBrincat I see your point.

Dach was a change of scenery guy and they got a first for him. They got a wild package for Hagel that everyone lauded them over.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I was listening to Thomas Drance of The Athletic last night after the draft on a live podcast on their website. He was talking about Miller and how the Canucks asking price for Miller is high. None of these teams have come close to meeting the asking price. He wasn't sure what happened with the Islanders.



Yzerman traded a 3rd for Husso's rights.

Drance is the definition of a water boy.

 

[McRanger92]

I can’t get behind this movement to go with a Chytil as our 2C. Yes he had a hot playoffs and actually played hard for once, but he doesn’t do anything the Rangers need from that spot. Hasn’t produced at at a top 6 level, nothing special defensively and doesn’t PK, can’t win a faceoff. He’s not that player, despite fans wanting him to become that overnight, with little to no evidence that he will. How quick we’ve forgotten he was getting healthy scratched in the second half of the season.

They need a center from outside the organization, I’m not sure how much more obvious it could be.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I can’t get behind this movement to go with a Chytil as our 2C. Yes he had a hot playoffs and actually played hard for once, but he doesn’t do anything the Rangers need from that spot. Hasn’t produced at at a top 6 level, nothing special defensively and doesn’t PK, can’t win a faceoff. He’s not that player, despite fans wanting him to become that overnight, with little to no evidence that he will. How quick we’ve forgotten he was getting healthy scratched in the second half of the season.

They need a center from outside the organization, I’m not sure how much more obvious it could be.

I like Chytil a lot, but I still see his future as a winger.

 

[McRanger92]

I was listening to Thomas Drance of The Athletic last night after the draft on a live podcast on their website. He was talking about Miller and how the Canucks asking price for Miller is high. None of these teams have come close to meeting the asking price. He wasn't sure what happened with the Islanders.



Yzerman traded a 3rd for Husso's rights.

Miller must love being jerked around by Vancouver management and media the last few years. He was their scapegoat past year when they got off to a bad start . “Bad locker room presence”. The Canucks botched this, it was plain to see when they held him last deadline

 

[Fitzy]

If Chytil starts the season as the 2C he wouldn't be doing everything Strome had been doing. That's just where he would line up, and we'd have a more defensive minded 3rd line center- be that Goodrow or someone else.

You can still spread those minutes around pretty well- break Chytil into third choice PK minutes, but the big issue is if Zibanejad goes down due to injury you're pretty much cooked. This roster can survive losing any particular player on it except Shesterkin- if we don't get another center you can add Zibby to that short list.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Miller must love being jerked around by Vancouver management and media the last few years. He was their scapegoat past year when they got off to a bad start . “Bad locker room presence”. The Canucks botched this, it was plain to see when they held him last deadline

Meanwhile he was basically carrying the team to catch Dallas & Nashville for the 8th spot. Yes he had help form Horvat & Petterson, but anyone paying attention could see he was driving the bus.

 

[DialUp]

Here's our big chance to gabagool our way to the cup.

 

[haveandare]

Imo the 2C talk is missing that this is very likely the Panarin line. Meaning it will be looked at to create offense primarily and it will have a hugely expensive and productive winger. You don’t need and very likely can’t afford a big time 2C there. You need someone who meshes with Panarin or compliments his skillset.

 

[cheech70]

Patrick Kane is a winger...why on earth would the Rangers want him?

 

[bbny]

That's likely the ideal middle ground NYR would need for the cap to work out perfectly. But from a competitive hockey perspective, is that what the team needs for the next few years to compete for a Cup while Igor is still making less than $6M?

The "best case scenario" here is actually not a great one for the Rangers. This is why going all-in on an established commodity to compete for the next 3 years is being floated constantly.

I agree to an extent for sure. The 3 years left on Shesterkin’s contract really represents the first Cup competing window here, and the Rangers seriously risk wasting a year of it by not making a move this summer. On the flip side, I believe taking that risk would also allow them to maximize the potential of the last two years of Shesterkin’s contract because they would have the cap space and flexibility to react. I think at this point it’s really hard to tell which kids are the keepers and which ones aren’t. One more year would tell us a lot, and it might reveal some surprises.

For the record, I still trade one of Chytil or Kakko in a deal for PLD. He’s young enough, already a 2C, and has 1C upside. Won’t find me complaining if he hit that upside and we had Zib/PLD down the middle for the next 7 years.

 

[Savant]

Wonder who we bring in to back up.

Kinkaid is hot ass. His underlying numbers make Georgiev look like Terry Sawchuk.

He had like two good starts for us and people who hate Georgiev just ran with it.

Whoever wants to take a vet minimum deal.

Here's our big chance to gabagool our way to the cup.

I laughed way too hard at DAAngelo

 

[Fitzy]

Imo the 2C talk is missing that this is very likely the Panarin line. Meaning it will be looked at to create offense primarily and it will have a hugely expensive and productive winger. You don’t need and very likely can’t afford a big time 2C there. You need someone who meshes with Panarin or compliments his skillset.

Well, or that we don't NEED it to be a big name player.

But ideally we have someone who clicks with Panarin who is better than, say, Erik Christensen was for Gaborik.

I always thought Panarin-Goodrow-Skilled Winger had the potential to work, but as you say that's an offensive line and removes Goodrow from what he does best- which is be a matchup player.

I bet Drury wants a real full matchup line like the Staal line was against us in the playoffs, and that it'll be built around Goodrow and maybe Blais.

Wonder who we bring in to back up.

Kinkaid is hot ass. His underlying numbers make Georgiev look like Terry Sawchuk.

He had like two good starts for us and people who hate Georgiev just ran with it.

Big fan of Keith the person but it's his movement that kills him. He's just flat out slow, like Labarbera was before him. That style can fly in the more methodical AHL but to be a good goalie in this league you have to be able to get around the net. Even the big guys like Vasi can really move.

Of course the standards for good goaltending are just through the roof now, so it's tough. I'm surprised the league average save percentage isn't higher than it is, goalies have gotten so good