Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part II: Anything Goes

[silverfish]

I know how corsi works... SF reference Shots against, that's not the stat I was looking at particularly

Sorry. SA% = Shot attempt %. I try to avoid using "Corsi" on this website

 

[SA16]

This threads SA% is currently 3.97%

 

[hi]

Prediction: Rangers become a top 10 Corsi team with the changes to the defense but Lundqvist and Pavelec both post sub .910 save percentages for the season and the Rangers miss the playoffs.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I know how corsi works... SF reference Shots against, that's not the stat I was looking at particularly

Clearly
But like silverfish said, SA% is the same thing as corsi. It's just how NHL.com portrays their "enhanced" stats

This threads SA% is currently 3.97%

What's the rel breakdown poster-by-poster? Who has the best faceoff%?

 

[haohmaru]

Prediction: Rangers become a top 10 Corsi team with the changes to the defense but Lundqvist and Pavelec both post sub .910 save percentages for the season and the Rangers miss the playoffs.

I predict that your prediction will be wrong.

 

[vladmyir111]

I understand what you're saying, but it's not as big of an issue as you think it is. Stepan was a 46.4% offensive zone power play faceoff man last year. Meaning every 100 faceoffs, he's going to win 46 and lose 54. That's only 8 more times that we're chasing the puck and losing 15-20 seconds of PP time than the amount of times he's winning the draw, and the Rangers have control.

120-160 seconds of PP time lost every 100 offensive zone PP faceoffs. One full power play every 100 faceoffs. Stepan took 140 ozone pp faceoffs last year. 1.4 powerplays lost over the course of the season due to chasing pucks. On a PP that operated at a 20.2% clip last year, that's .28 goals lost over the entire season.

That's way oversimplified. As if it ever turns into just 15 seconds. Half our powerplays we lose the initial draw and can't get set up for the whole first minute.

The Rangers are great at keeping the puck on their sticks during the PP, not so much at entering the zone.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Prediction: Rangers become a top 10 Corsi team with the changes to the defense but Lundqvist and Pavelec both post sub .910 save percentages for the season and the Rangers miss the playoffs.

I would bet almost anything that Henrik has a better SV% this upcoming season than he did last season.

 

[bernmeister]

I would like to go there

I dont post here often, but I log into this forum almost every day. And you are among my favourite posters, along with RB, ODC, Ola and more. Your trade proposals can sometimes be.... creative .... they might be unrealistic, but they gives food for thought. I rather read them than several pages about faceoffs

I'm not against trading McD. Some people are acting like we're gonna give him away. But if we can upgrade our 1C with a young up and coming player like MacK, Draisatl we have to explore it.

Thank you for the kind words.

Obviously, McD should not be given away.

The question for me is what is the max possible return, and which partner(s) are most likely to provide that.

Max return of best quality assets more important than best possible C candidate and less total return, for example, IMO. If it DOES HAPPEN to be a C, fine, but want best bang for buck.

I doubt Dallas moves that guy they drafted 3OA but maybe there is a package there?
That would be one look to consider.

 

[Rangers2319]

I would bet almost anything that Henrik has a better SV% this upcoming season than he did last season.

i agree

 

[Ola]

It has no correlation to possession metrics.

And that's fine. You need players who can win a BIG faceoff (something that Zibanejad is pretty good at actually). The better their faceoff percentage, the more likely they are to win that critical draw.

It's one of those things that's a misapplication of statistics. Overall possession is not the reason we care about faceoffs.

Yeah, stating that it doesn't matter at all is so dumb.

A face off has (at least) four out comes really, win/loss/toss up/non-loss back to a D. All are different techniques with different results. Some are extremely good at going in and taking away the other center and prevent him from winning it clean, but never wins it clean themselves. Some are really good at going for the win but still rarely lose it clean, and so forth and so forth.

Championships have been won on face offs, no doubt. It can definitely wear a team down if they are run over in the circle in a 7 game series. It has an impact.

But sure the everyday FOs doesn't have a big impact against how they are measured in the NHL stats, most draws are basically toss ups that results in ongoing battles for the puck where pressure is constantly put on it. But it definitely has an impact in real life, like if a C is just killed by a C on the other team, you must change the match-up, you get the wrong players on the ice etc.

 

[Irishguy42]

Sign Zibanejad to the TyJo contract.

 

[GregSirico]

New York Rangers’ 2017-18 season hanging on one transaction

http://bluelinestation.com/2017/07/10/new-york-rangers-2017-18-season-hanging-one-transaction/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Jeff Gorton failing to acquire a top six center opens up a concerning can of worms. Suddenly Miller must play center. Suddenly Mika Zibanejad must immediately play on the top line, rather than being eased into the role. The pressure on Kevin Hayes reaches an all-time high.

This is what I've been preaching the entire offseason. I know everyone on here has heard from me adnausium about this, but I feel it's that vital.

 

[Bob Richards]

http://bluelinestation.com/2017/07/10/new-york-rangers-2017-18-season-hanging-one-transaction/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter



This is what I've been preaching the entire offseason. I know everyone on here has heard from me adnausium about this, but I feel it's that vital.

Won't lie, the idea of Kevin Hayes centering a Top 6 line makes me a little apprehensive.

 

[Levitate]

"Failing to acquire a top six center" lol that's some terrible writing and that person should be ashamed

 

[Irishguy42]

It's July 10th. Gorton hasn't failed anything yet this off-season lmao

 

[Tawnos]

It's July 10th. Gorton hasn't failed anything yet this off-season lmao

I was going to say the same thing, but then I read the article and it's more of an "if he doesn't acquire one" type of thing.

Then again, the writer also says that signing Shattenkirk means the Rangers aren't rebuilding on the fly, which is nonsense.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

"Failing to acquire a top six center" lol that's some terrible writing and that person should be ashamed

Yeah the writer isn't great

 

[bernmeister]

It's July 10th. Gorton hasn't failed anything yet this off-season lmao

this^
and while we need to improve C depth, what we have is none too shabby

 

[cd211]

http://bluelinestation.com/2017/07/10/new-york-rangers-2017-18-season-hanging-one-transaction/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter



This is what I've been preaching the entire offseason. I know everyone on here has heard from me adnausium about this, but I feel it's that vital.

thats why they are professional athletes.. its the changing of the guard, their time to shine.. i think they can handle it and its a good thing, plus there is time still this offseason to make moves..

 

[GregSirico]

I'm not there yet with giving Hayes top minutes. That's just me.

 

[BBKers]

PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT WITH NEW YORK RANGERS ORGANISATION 2017-2018 (43)
NEW YORK RANGERS SQUAD (21)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr|Pos |Player| Caphit |Contract Status|Team 2016 |Drafted/Acquired |Age 2017
1| F | J.T. Miller |$2.750.000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #15 NYR (2011) |24
2| F | Kevin Hayes |$2,600,000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #24 Chicago (2010)- signed w/NYR as UFA |25
3| D | Brady Skjei (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #28 NYR (2012) |23
4| F | Jimmy Vesey (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R3 #66 Nashville (2012)- signed w/NYR as UFA |24
5| F | Matt Puempel |$725.000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #24 Ottawa (2011) - waiver claim 2016 |24
6| F | Rick Nash (NMC) |$7,800,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #1 overall Columbus Blue Jackets (2002) - acquired through trade|33
7| D | Nick Holden |$1,650,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted - acquired through trade |30
8| F | Michael Grabner |$1,600,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #14 Vancover Canucks (2006) - signed w/NYR as UFA |30
9| F | Ondrej Pavelec |$1,300,000 |UFA 2018 |Winnipeg Jets/NHL |R2 #41 Atlanta Flames (2009) - signed w/NYR as UFA |29
10| F | David Desharnais |$1,000,000 |UFA 2018 |Edmonton Oilers/NHL |Undrafted - signed w/NYR as UFA[/B] |31
11| D | Ryan McDonagh |$4,700,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #12 Montreal (2007) - acquired unsigned through trade|28
12| F | Mats Zuccarello (NTC) |$4,500,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |30
13| D | Alexei Bereglazov (ELC)|$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Metallurg Magnitogorsk/KHL|Undrafted (started w NYR) |23
14| F | Pavel Buchnevich (ELC)|$925,000* |RFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |R3 #75 NYR (2013) |22
15| D | Anthony DeAngelo (ELC)|$863,333* |RFA 2019 |Arizona Coyotes/NHL |R1 #19 Tampa Bay (2014) |22
16| F | Chris Kreider |$4,625,000 |UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #19 NYR (2009) |26
17| F | Jesper Fast(h) LTIR |$1,850.000 |UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL |R6 #157 NYR (2010) |26
18| G | Henrik Lundqvist (NMC)|$8,500,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R7 #208 NYR (2000) |35
19| D | Kevin Shattenkirk (NTC)|$6,650,000 |UFA 2021 |Washington Capitals/NHL|R1 #14 Colorado Avalanche (2007) - signed w/NYR as UFA|28
20| D | Marc Staal (NMC => NTC)|$5,750,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #12 NYR (2005) |30
21| D | Brendan Smith (NTC) |$4,350,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #27 Detroit Red Wings (2007) - acquired through trade|28[/table]

TOTALS
SALARY CAP: $75,000,000
BUYOUTS (Dan Girardi): $2,611,111
SALARY HIT: $64,913,333
SALARY HIT WITH BUYOUT:$67,524,444
CAP SPACE: $7,475,556
LTIR: Jesper Fast (until November/December)
11 FWD - 8 D - 2 G (2-3 more fwds incoming + 1 D going out)
AVERAGE AGE ~ 27.1 years

CONTRACTED 2017/2018 BUT LIKELY ASSIGNED TO AHL/ECHL/ELSEWHERE (22)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos |Player| Caphit |Contract Status |Team 2016 |Drafted |Age 2017
22|F |Paul Carey |$650,000 |UFA 2018 |Hershey Bears/AHL |R5 #135 Colorado (2007) - signed w/NYR as UFA |29
23|F |Adam Tambellini (ELC) |$803.333* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #65 NYR (2013) |23
24|F |Adam Chapie (ELC) |$800.000* |RFA 2018 |Greenville Swamp Rabbits/ECHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |26
25|F |Cristoval Nieves(ELC) |$755.000* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #59 NYR (2012) |23
26|F |Steven Fogarty (ELC) |$750.000* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #72 NYR (2011) |24
27|F |Malte Strömwall (ELC) |$742.500* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R7 #198 Calgary (started w NYR) |24
28|D |Ryan Graves (ELC) |$656,667* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R4 #110 NYR (2013) |22
29|D |John Gilmour (ELC) |$633.333* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R7 #198 Calgary (2012) - signed w/NYR as UFA|24
30|F |Cole Schneider |$650,000 |UFA 2019 |Rochester Americans/AHL |Undrafted - signed w/NYR as UFA |27
31|D |Steve Kampfer |$650,000 |UFA 2019 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R4 #93 (2007) Anaheim - acquired through trade |29
32|F |Vinni Lettieri (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Univ. of Minnesota/NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
33|D |Neil Pionk (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Univ. of Minnesota-Duluth/NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
34|G |Chris Nell (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Bowling Green/NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |23
35|F |Robin Kovacs (ELC) |$803.333* |RFA 2019 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #62 NYR (2015) |21
36|G |Brandon Halverson (ELC)|$803.333* |RFA 2019 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #59 NYR (2014) |21
37|D |Vince Pedrie (ELC) |$767,500* |RFA 2019 |Penn State Univ./NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
38|F |Ryan Gropp (ELC-S) |$839.166* |RFA 2020 |Seattle Thunderbirds/WHL |R2 #41 NYR (2015) |21
39|D |Sean Day (ELC-S) |$775,833* |RFA 2020 |Windsor Spitfires/OHL |R3 #81 NYR (2016) |19
40|F |Dawson Leedahl (ELC)|$749,167* |RFA 2020 |Regina Pats/WHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |21
41|F |Timothy Gettinger (ELC-S)|$736,667* |RFA 2020 |Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds/OHL|R5 #141 NYR (2016) |19
42|F |Gabriel Fontaine (ELC)|$736,667* |RFA 2020 |Rouyn-Noranda Huskies/QMJHL |R6 #171 NYR (2016) |20
43|D |Sergey Zborovskiy (ELC)|$734,166* |RFA 2020 |Regina Pats/WHL |R3 #79 NYR (2015) |20[/table]

* - has additional bonus money in contract
ELC - denotes player on Entry Level Contract
NTC - denotes No Trade Clause in Contract
NMC - denotes No Movement Clause in Contract
@ - signed to an AHL deal with Hartford Wolfpack

RFAs (Restricted free agents) - 3
[table="head;width=3800]Nr|Position |Player| Cap hit 2017| Team 2017 |Age 2017 | Signed 2017=>|Caphit 2017 =>
1| F | Mika Zibanejad |$2,625,000 |New York Rangers/NHL |24|Qualified|
2| F | Niklas Jensen |$600,000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |24|Qualified - Russia?|
3| F | Daniel Catenacci |$575,000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |23|Qualified|[/table]

UFAs (Unrestricted free agents) - 13
[table="head;width=3800]Nr|Position |Player| Cap hit 2017| Team 2017 |Age 2017 | Signed 2017=>|Caphit 2017 =>
1| F | Tanner Glass |$1,450,000 |New York Rangers/NHL |33|Not resigned|
2| D | Chris Summers |$600.000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |29|Pittsburgh Penguins|
3| F | Brandon Pirri |$1,100,000 |New York Rangers/NHL |26|Not qualified|
4| D | Troy Donnay |$716,667 |Greenville Swamp Rabbits/ECHL |23|Not qualified|
5| G | MacKenzie Skapski |$661,667 |Greenville Swamp Rabbits/ECHL |23|Not qualified|
6| F | Taylor Beck |$650.000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |26|Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg/KHL|
7| G | Magnus Hellberg |$625,000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |26|HC Kunlun Red Star/KHL|
8| D | Adam Clendening |$600.000 |New York Rangers/NHL |25|Arizona Coyotes|
10| D | Michael Paliotta |$600.000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |24|Not qualified|
11|D | Tommy Hughes |$600,000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |25|Not resigned|
12|F | Marek Hrivik |$600,000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |26|Calgary Flames|
13|F | Chris Brown |$575,000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |25|Not resigned|[/table]

PLAYERS STILL UNSIGNED BUT WITH RIGHTS RETAINED BY NYR (14)
[table="head;width=3800]Nr|Position |Player| Team 2016| Height |Weight| Nationality |Shoots|DOB|Drafted
1|G |Igor Shestyorkin |St. Petersburg SKA (KHL) |6' 1"| 187 | Russia |L|December 30, 1995 |R4 #118 NYR (2014)
2|F |Patrik Virta |TPS/Liiga Finland |5' 10" | 181 | Finland |R|March 6, 1996 |R7 #207 NYR (2017)
3|D |Tyler Nanne |Minnesota Golden Gophers/NCAA |5' 10" | 183 | USA |R|March 17, 1996 |R5 #142 NYR (2014)
4|F |Daniel Bernhardt |VIK Västerås HK/Allsvenskan |6' 3" | 191 | Sweden |L|April 11, 1996 |R4 #119 NYR (2015)
5|D |Brandon Crawley |London Knights/OHL |6' 2" | 203 | USA |L|February 2, 1997 |R4 #123 NYR (2017)
6|F |Dominik Lakatos |Bili Tygri Liberec/Czech Extraliga|5' 11"| 179 |Czech Republic |L|April 8, 1997 |R6 #157 NYR (2017)
7|G |Adam Huska |UConn Huskies/NCAA |6' 3" | 191 | Slovakia |L|May 12, 1997 |R7 #184 NYR (2015)
8|F |Ty Ronning |Vancouver Giants/WHL |5' 9" | 165 | Canada |R|October 20, 1997 |R7 #201 NYR (2016)
9|G |Tyler Wall |UMass Lowell River Hawks/NCAA |6' 2" | 190 | Canada |R|January 14, 1998 |R6 #174 NYR (2016)
10|D |Tarmo Reunanen |TUTO Hockey/Mestis |6' 0" | 180 | Finland |L|March 1, 1998 |R4 #98 NYR (2016)
11|F |Lias Andersson |HV71/SHL |5' 11" | 201 | Sweden |L|October 13, 1998 |R1 #7 NYR (2017)
12|F |Morgan Barron |St. Andrew's College/CAHS |6' 2" | 201 | Canada |R|December 02, 1998 |R6 #174 NYR (2017)
13|D |Calle Själin |Östersunds IK/Div.1 Sweden |6' 1" | 176 | Sweden |L|September 2, 1999 |R5 #145 NYR (2017)
14|F |Filip Chytil |PSG Zlín/Czech Extraliga |6' 1" | 181 | Czech Republic|L|September 5, 1999 |R1 #21 NYR (2017)
(15)|F |Carl Klingberg |Free agent - rights retained |6' 3" | 205 | Sweden |R|January 28, 1991 |R2 #34 Atlanta (2009)[/table]

2018 DRAFT PICKS (6)

• 1st round NYR
• 2nd round NYR
• 3rd round NYR
• 4th round NYR
• 5th round NYR
• 6th round NYR

• We gained a 2nd round pick from Ottawa when we traded Derrick Brassard
• We then lost Ottawas 2nd round pick to Detroit in the trade for Brendan Smith
• We then also lost our 7th round pick to Ottawa in the trade for Mika Zibanejad

2019 DRAFT PICKS (7)

• 1st round NYR
• 2nd round NYR
• 3rd round NYR
• 4th round NYR
• 5th round NYR
• 6th round NYR
• 7th round NYR

2020 DRAFT PICKS (7)

• 1st round NYR
• 2nd round NYR
• 3rd round NYR
• 4th round NYR
• 5th round NYR
• 6th round NYR
• 7th round NYR

 

[Machinehead]

I'm not there yet with giving Hayes top minutes. That's just me.

I'm not there with Hayes existing in my life, but we can't get everything we want

 

[BBKers]

Regarding Bozak

Many are clamouring for a trade sending Holden plus something more to Trontah for Bozak to get an amicable stopgap C. Not a bad idea - however...
... Bozak has a cap hit of $4,2 M this year
Holden has a hit of $1,65 M
Difference is $2,55 M
We have $7,475 M left in space with Zib left to sign
Lets say we give Zib $5,4 M
2 M in space
800 k to operate team
1,2 M in space
So we either need to have Toronto retain ~1,35 M on Bozak (will cost us dearly as we are dealing with Lou), move more player(s) or use a 2nd buyout Marc Staal if this were to come to fruition.
I do not see it...

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Any chance we entice klingberg to come back, could use some competition for spots and depth....

 

[Zats Muccarello]

Tyler Johnson signs 7 years 5 million AAV.

I think this helps us more than it does Zib. Johnson's career ppg is .69 with a career high 77 points whereas Zibanejad is closer to .56 with a career high of 51 points. Johnson is two years older than Zib and they had nearly identical seasons in regards to ppg.

I would be ecstatic if we could sign Mika to a similar type of deal. 7 x 5-5.5 would be a huge success for Gorton.