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Yeah next season is a win-win.. either we do awesome and everyone steps up or we suck andget a top 10 pick to add to our prospect pool.. it's a step back to take steps forward.. maybe we suck and sell off pieces for once
 
RangerBoy said:
Gorton wants to trade Brassard to Ottawa for Zibanejad and trade Stepan and Raanta for Andersson and DeAngelo. The Rangers get much younger and more upside. He needs to make a few more deals like that. The Rangers get younger and cheaper which is Stepan deal. Money will be an issue for the team. They need as many entry level contracts as possible. Rebuild on the fly. AV said retool on the fly. The Rangers don't have much money for a retool. Shattenkirk signed on the Rangers terms. Elliotte Friedman said back in the winter about the Rangers and Shattenkirk needing to compromise. The Rangers got Shattenkirk on their terms. Brooks wrote the Rangers would do a shorter term than 7 years. 5 years/$30M. The Rangers got him for 4 years. $650,000 more per. The contract allows the Rangers to trade Shattenkirk after the first season. I am not a Shattenkirk guy but I would have given him that contract. The Rangers can trade him. Ten team no trade list in years 2 & 3. Eight teams in the 4th year. Team favorable terms. Nash has a list on 12 teams he can be traded to without his permission. He can put down all of the Rangers rivals knowing the Rangers are not trading with those teams or the budget teams. $8.2M salary. Good luck. Edmonton offered RNH to the Blues for a signed Shattenkirk. Tampa offered Drouin for a signed Shattenkirk. Re-sign Zibanejad. I watching the NHL Network and they were discussing the Rangers. Mike Johnson thinks Zibanejad has the ability to become a 30 goal and 70 point center if Mika can stay healthy. The hearing is next Tuesday July 25. Soon.
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Zibanejad has all the tools to become a 70 point player. Not sure if it'll happen this year but he needs to hit 60. Brassard has hit 60. Zibanejad has as much talent if not more.
 
Also because someone quoted his post, Shattenkirk isn't getting traded after the first year of his contract lol

Jesus Christ
 
silverfish said:
He'll be 29, though. And if my math checks out, that's one-year 'til he's 30.

Younger, better, faster, cheaper.
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lol

nash, rick.

girardi, dan

staal, marc

stepan, derek

brassard, derek

klein, kevin

holden, nick

all guys who are old(er), many that are not good and some that are really bad, some that definitely are not fast and most are expensive.

context bro :nod:
 
I would have traded Miller before I traded Stepan if they have no plans to replace him or anything lined up, etc. that's just me tho.. Miller is cheaper at the moment sure, but don't act like his next contract is not going to exceed 4M+ which is still cheaper than Stepan but he can't play in every situation like Stepan, and he's been abysmal in the playoffs (which everyone ignores when talking about the playoffs).

if Anderssen turns into another Stepan at least tho, the trade would be a win for the Rangers. even tho it does nothing for the team this year.
 
silverfish said:
Definitely would be one of the worst in the league. Even Zib > Hayes > LA > DD would be one of the worst in the league.

If Zibanejad doesn't take the next step, and Hayes doesn't reverse his career trajectory, the Rangers are in trouble at the center position.
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If that's the case, then Stepan being here doesn't necessarily fix that problem.
 
TheTakedown said:
If that's the case, then Stepan being here doesn't necessarily fix that problem.
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Of course it does. If Stepan is still here, you don't need Zibanejad to take the next step, because he's the 2C, and it's less of an issue if Hayes doesn't start improving on last year's play, because he's the 3C.

Stepan being here puts the other two centers in a comfortable depth-chart standing.
 
silverfish said:
Of course it does. If Stepan is still here, you don't need Zibanejad to take the next step, because he's the 2C, and it's less of an issue if Hayes doesn't start improving on last year's play, because he's the 3C.

Stepan being here puts the other two centers in a comfortable depth-chart standing.
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and then when Stepan starts to lose a step after a year or two, and Zib and hayes still haven't taken those steps, then what? Again, you still have the same problem
 
TheTakedown said:
and then when Stepan starts to lose a step after a year or two, and Zib and hayes still haven't taken those steps, then what? Again, you still have the same problem
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If Hayes and Zib don't take those steps, and you still have Stepan here, you can recognize it and correct the problem in the off-season.

If Hayes and Zib don't take those steps, and Stepan isn't here, you're ****ed, because you need them to step up.

Zibanejad is already a proven '2C'. Hayes is already a proven '3C'. Stepan still here has them slotted in those positions. Stepan not here has them playing a position above their heads. I'm not sure how what I'm saying isn't obvious...
 
TheTakedown said:
If that's the case, then Stepan being here doesn't necessarily fix that problem.
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lol what? Stepan was a guaranteed 50 to 60 point two way center. we made 2 ECF and a SCF with him as the 1st line center. Zibanejad doesn't have to take a huge step if he's the 2, or Hayes as the 3.. Now Zibanejad and Hayes both not only have to become 50 to 60 point centers, they have to learn how to play defense.
 
Boo Nieves is still in the organization. If Zibanejad and Hayes don't improve we can always use him on the first line.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
lol what? Stepan was a guaranteed 50 to 60 point two way center. we made 2 ECF and a SCF with him as the 1st line center. Zibanejad doesn't have to take a huge step if he's the 2, or Hayes as the 3.. Now Zibanejad and Hayes both not only have to become 50 to 60 point centers, they have to learn how to play defense.
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Yeah, this seems like a pretty obvious take to me, and I'm not quite certain why it's being met as it is by Takedown :dunno:

SA16 said:
Boo Nieves is still in the organization. If Zibanejad and Hayes don't improve we can always use him on the first line.
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no more thoughtful logic please

its changing the dynamic in the room

:laugh:
 
imho there is no scenario in which trading Rick Nash makes this team better for this year. The future? Sure. But this year? Absolutely not. And for a team thats clearly "going for it"...trading Nash makes zero sense.
 
If the Rangers had Stepan still and say he gets hurt, then Zibanejad steps in as the 1C for the time being.. now that Stepan is gone, not only is Hayes the #2, if Zibanejad gets hurt again Hayes becomes your ONE, and then not only that, either you have to make Miller your 2 making the wings worse or Desharnias is your 2.

I don't know how anyone can argue the Rangers center depth is not a huge massive hole. its pretty clearly the worst in the metro.
 
Inferno said:
imho there is no scenario in which trading Rick Nash makes this team better for this year. The future? Sure. But this year? Absolutely not. And for a team thats clearly "going for it"...trading Nash makes zero sense.
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neither did moving Stepan then.. I don't think Rangers are "going for it" if they moved their best center
 
Lundsanity30 said:
neither did moving Stepan then.. I don't think Rangers are "going for it" if they moved their best center
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Moving stepan opened up the space to sign Shattenkirk. Id say fixng the 1RHD was more important than fixing the 1C.

The difference from bumping everyone up on the RHD spot versus bumping everyone up on the Center spot is GINORMOUS.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
lol what? Stepan was a guaranteed 50 to 60 point two way center. we made 2 ECF and a SCF with him as the 1st line center. Zibanejad doesn't have to take a huge step if he's the 2, or Hayes as the 3.. Now Zibanejad and Hayes both not only have to become 50 to 60 point centers, they have to learn how to play defense.
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I understand what you're saying, but what I'm saying is that the rangers took from a position of strength, marginally weakened it (Center) , and then patched up a massive weakness (Right D)... It's up to the beholder to decide whether or not there was a net positive. Given how bad the defense was, I'd call it a net positive.

I'm not even factoring in the issue of the upcoming NTC and Stepan's noticable decline in play.
 
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