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I'm not exactly against just putting Miller at center, but it's a risk.

Miller has consistently been a possession black hole. But, he's also consistently played with Hayes, who literally generated shot attempts at a significantly worse rate than Tanner Glass last year.

If Miller is at center, he's not with Hayes. If Miller is good without Hayes, we're fine. If Miller is the same without Hayes, then we have two 44% possession players down the middle and we have a huge problem.
 
Look at Soderberg's production the last few years. Something went VERY wrong last year for the Avs. He's signed for less years and less AAV than Staal. The idea with that trade is to get a player who can settle into that 3rd line role, PK and chip in some offense. He will bounce back and even if he doesn't, his buyout is easier to handle than Staal's.

On top of that, Soderberg blocks no ones development. The Rangers have no player pushing for a center slot capable of playin in that 3rd line role. Nieves is a 4th line prospect at this point. Shedding Staal allows for two of the young defensemen to take legitimate top-6 roles
 
I would do Soderberg for Staal in a heartbeat. He could possibly play 3 or 4C, where we have a huge hole or if he doesn't workout you buy him out.

His buyout is chump change compared to Staals, who will probably have to get bough out otherwise. Heck, I'd do that trade now and just go ahead and buyout Soderberg if he's that terrible. No he's not giving you 50 points but 40 on this team is probably realistic.
 
NYR Viper said:
Look at Soderberg's production the last few years. Something went VERY wrong last year for the Avs. He's signed for less years and less AAV than Staal. The idea with that trade is to get a player who can settle into that 3rd line role, PK and chip in some offense. He will bounce back and even if he doesn't, his buyout is easier to handle than Staal's.

On top of that, Soderberg blocks no ones development. The Rangers have no player pushing for a center slot capable of playin in that 3rd line role. Nieves is a 4th line prospect at this point. Shedding Staal allows for two of the young defensemen to take legitimate top-6 roles
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good summary, my additional note is the buyout option is also much more favorable than Staal.

Soderberg shot at 4.6% last year, career it's 8%. Chances are he bounces back.
 
Matz03 said:
good summary, my additional note is the buyout option is also much more favorable than Staal.

Soderberg shot at 4.6% last year, career it's 8%. Chances are he bounces back.
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And he wouldn't be on the Avs who are a complete tire fire of an organization
 
Does Staal waive his NMC for COL?

Highly doubtful.

And COL is not adding salary, their ownership would love to add phantom hits.
 
bigdog16 said:
I'm no expert, but I think there's a lot more parity between private jets than cars. Every team treats their players exceptionally well. They all have professional cooks, professional trainers, professional everything.
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You don't seem to know what you are talking about. There are major differences.
 
DD has a lot of mileage on his body... he played well in MTL for a few seasons... but physically he's worn down.

The mind, the hands.... those may still be there... but I don't see him as a top 9 guy on a contender.

Other issue with the Rangers at center, is that they don't have a proven guy that can really handle being in a match-up role.

So you really have to consider bringing in a guy that can play that role to free up Hayes and Zibs offensively... and a 4th line center on top of that.

IMO you won't get out of the 1st round without depth in that position.

Like a guy like Jay Beagle... yes Jay Beagle... is an ideal need for the Rangers. Great player 5v5 (30 points 5v5 + PK) and goes up against top line competition.

A 30 point center that can face the other team's top lines is more important to the Rangers imo than a RNH or a Spooner.

My hopes are that they are working with JT on face-offs and priming him for a checking role that can play with some offensive talent... I truly hope they are spending the off-season doing that.

Banking on Boo for 10-15 games is okay... but that's not your guy... he's so passive that it will frustrate you beyond belief. The Rangers need shooters.

Bozak doesn't fit the bill as that match-up guy... but he would give the team tremendous depth down the middle.

Tanner Kero may be a good 4th line option that's a systemic fit. Komarov would be great but he's played a lot of wing.

Kadri would be an ideal pick-up... but I highly doubt Tronna moves him.

RNH isn't a guy you win with imo... especially at that price point... that will hurt.

I'm a big fan of Jonny Brodzinski in LA... low center of gravity, good speed, wrecking ball build. Think Bryan Rust as a center. That's an effective type of utility player.

Freddy Gaudreau played well in the playoffs.

I like Bjugstad as well.. but FLA doesn't have 12 NHL forwards at the moment, and that's including McCann.

If they go with the following:

Buch-Zibs-Zuc
Kreider-Hayes-Nash
Vesey-Miller-Grabner
Lias-DD-Fast

That's not a winning formula. DD is a insurance policy. Lias may not be ready.

They need two more forwards, one center that can play two way, and another utility guy.

Alex Chiasson may be a good bargain bin pick up for a RH wing.

But all in all, the Rangers have to make a trade. A savvy one at that.

Staal at $4.9 would be palpable to a lot of teams if we waives.

They may view Holden in a higher regard than others... he's a bargain... but he can't block shots properly.
 
Mikos87 said:
DD has a lot of mileage on his body... he played well in MTL for a few seasons... but physically he's worn down.

The mind, the hands.... those may still be there... but I don't see him as a top 9 guy on a contender.

Other issue with the Rangers at center, is that they don't have a proven guy that can really handle being in a match-up role.

So you really have to consider bringing in a guy that can play that role to free up Hayes and Zibs offensively... and a 4th line center on top of that.

IMO you won't get out of the 1st round without depth in that position.

Like a guy like Jay Beagle... yes Jay Beagle... is an ideal need for the Rangers. Great player 5v5 (30 points 5v5 + PK) and goes up against top line competition.

A 30 point center that can face the other team's top lines is more important to the Rangers imo than a RNH or a Spooner.

My hopes are that they are working with JT on face-offs and priming him for a checking role that can play with some offensive talent... I truly hope they are spending the off-season doing that.

Banking on Boo for 10-15 games is okay... but that's not your guy... he's so passive that it will frustrate you beyond belief. The Rangers need shooters.

Bozak doesn't fit the bill as that match-up guy... but he would give the team tremendous depth down the middle.

Tanner Kero may be a good 4th line option that's a systemic fit. Komarov would be great but he's played a lot of wing.

Kadri would be an ideal pick-up... but I highly doubt Tronna moves him.

RNH isn't a guy you win with imo... especially at that price point... that will hurt.

I'm a big fan of Jonny Brodzinski in LA... low center of gravity, good speed, wrecking ball build. Think Bryan Rust as a center. That's an effective type of utility player.

Freddy Gaudreau played well in the playoffs.

I like Bjugstad as well.. but FLA doesn't have 12 NHL forwards at the moment, and that's including McCann.

If they go with the following:

Buch-Zibs-Zuc
Kreider-Hayes-Nash
Vesey-Miller-Grabner
Lias-DD-Fast

That's not a winning formula. DD is a insurance policy. Lias may not be ready.

They need two more forwards, one center that can play two way, and another utility guy.

Alex Chiasson may be a good bargain bin pick up for a RH wing.

But all in all, the Rangers have to make a trade. A savvy one at that.

Staal at $4.9 would be palpable to a lot of teams if we waives.

They may view Holden in a higher regard than others... he's a bargain... but he can't block shots properly.
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Ideally Miller can grow into a Kadri-esque sand paper and scoring kind of guy.
 
Soderberg can put up 0pts all season and dealing him for Staal would still be a great move.
 
Projected contracts:

Skjei 5m x 6yr
Miller 4.8m x 6yr
Hayes 4.5m x 4yr
Vesey 2.4m x 2yr

To be honest, I don't see how we fit it in, even with Nash coming off the books. This team needs to give up a solid pick or prospect and get Staal off the roster.
 
Machinehead said:
10000% this.

Guys putting up 30-40 more points by changing teams is such an HF fantasy.

Kind of like how Kessel was going to hit 100 points going from a **** Toronto team to a stacked Pittsburgh team. Two years on a Cup winner, and he's still yet to even sniff his career high in goals or points that he set on terrible Leafs teams.
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But... Change of scenery man
 
Machinehead said:
10000% this.

Guys putting up 30-40 more points by changing teams is such an HF fantasy.

Kind of like how Kessel was going to hit 100 points going from a **** Toronto team to a stacked Pittsburgh team. Two years on a Cup winner, and he's still yet to even sniff his career high in goals or points that he set on terrible Leafs teams.
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Grabner kinda did this for us last year.
 
jasonfilatov said:
Projected contracts:

Skjei 5m x 6yr
Miller 4.8m x 6yr
Hayes 4.5m x 4yr
Vesey 2.4m x 2yr

To be honest, I don't see how we fit it in, even with Nash coming off the books. This team needs to give up a solid pick or prospect and get Staal off the roster.
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Vesey would become a group III at the expiration of that 2 year contract. That's something the Rangers never do.
 
Mikos87 said:
Does Staal waive his NMC for COL?

Highly doubtful.

And COL is not adding salary, their ownership would love to add phantom hits.
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Let Staal know he will be spending the whole season in the pressbox and he will waive. That is embarrassing for competitors with egos. His waiving is not my big concern. Someone taking him for 4 years is my concern.
 
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