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HatTrick Swayze said:
1. "Looking ready" in camp may be a mirage. Vesey last year, Lindberg two years ago, Gilroy his rookie year.

2. The question shouldn't be "is he ready" it should be "what is best for his development" especially with such investment.
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Uh, both of these guys had good rookie seasons. Both had ups and downs, but overall good for what they are as players. And both of them were ready, they would've gained nothing from being held back. Very odd examples to use. Miller at 19 would've been a better example.


If Lias seems ready in camp and preseason, then give him some time to adjust to the NHL, play him a few games and see how he does, they can send him back to the AHL or Sweden and slide his contract as long as he doesn't play 10 games.

They might as well give him a long look and legit chance to show he's ready.
 
NYR Viper said:
Again, not a fancy stats follower like you and many others are, but in looking at his HERO chart he looks just good? Not amazing, but good. On par with Shea Weber who many **** on?

I know he is a good player and I am by no means arguing that but does it seem like they jumped the gun a bit for a guy who has been in the league for only 2 years? Or is it because he is a bit older and only has a couple of RFA years left? Genuinely curious
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Aren't HERO charts cumulative over multiple seasons?

Slavin's sophomore season was a pretty big step forward from his rookie one (which wasn't horrible by any stretch.)
 
The Slavin deal should be the model set for Skjei. I'd attempt to lock him into that deal right now. Extension would go into effect next year. You'd be buying out UFA years and he'd become very cost friendly.

Hopefully we do not bridge deal him. Would be awful for the team moving forward.
 
Dr. Ogrodnick said:
Clearly you aren't familiar with the HF valuation system. It goes roughly like this:

Unborn child > toddler > preteen > teen > high draft pick > draft pick > junior prospect > NCAA prospect > AHL prospect > nhl roster player > anyone older than 22.
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Obviously any draft pick with cost controlled years is better than 31 year old Malkin so yeah .......
 
Geoff Gorden said:
Aren't HERO charts cumulative over multiple seasons?

Slavin's sophomore season was a pretty big step forward from his rookie one (which wasn't horrible by any stretch.)
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I am hoping one of the younger guys here can point me in the right direction :laugh:

Again, I'm not saying he's bad, just if we harp on stats for everyone else, what about this guy?
 
NYR Viper said:


Try this?
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Followed the link. That's interesting...

Admittedly, I don't really know how the data for the HERO charts is populated since I tend not to use them, but here's what I see on Puckalytics for Weber and Slavin 5v5 over the past two seasons...

Slavin:

relGF60: +0.51
relGA60: -0.55 (negative is good)
relCF60: +0.92
relCA60: -1.64 (negative is good)
relGF%: +11.8%
relCF%: +1.19%

Weber:

relGF60: -0.30
relGA60: -0.29
relCF60: +0.13
relCA60: +1.99
relGF%: +0.22%
relCF%: -0.87%

Edge to Slavin, no doubt about it.
 
Glen Sathers Cigar said:
Uh, both of these guys had good rookie seasons. Both had ups and downs, but overall good for what they are as players. And both of them were ready, they would've gained nothing from being held back. Very odd examples to use. Miller at 19 would've been a better example.


If Lias seems ready in camp and preseason, then give him some time to adjust to the NHL, play him a few games and see how he does, they can send him back to the AHL or Sweden and slide his contract as long as he doesn't play 10 games.

They might as well give him a long look and legit chance to show he's ready.
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My point was that adrenaline can make camp/early season look way different than mid-end of season
 
silverfish said:
Followed the link. That's interesting...

Admittedly, I don't really know how the data for the HERO charts is populated since I tend not to use them, but here's what I see on Puckalytics for Weber and Slavin 5v5 over the past two seasons...

Slavin:

relGF60: +0.51
relGA60: -0.55 (negative is good)
relCF60: +0.92
relCA60: -1.64 (negative is good)
relGF%: +11.8%
relCF%: +1.19%

Weber:

relGF60: -0.30
relGA60: -0.29
relCF60: +0.13
relCA60: +1.99
relGF%: +0.22%
relCF%: -0.87%

Edge to Slavin, no doubt about it.
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That's a much better look. Thanks!
 
Geoff Gorden said:
Yeah but there are other factors that feed into that (Rookie wall for an NCAA player like Vesey, 2 torn hip labrums for Lindberg also need to be accounted for.)
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We've seen training camp superstars return to true form again and again. Kotalik. Duclair. Del Zotto looked incredible in 2010 I believe before having a rocky year.

My point is, I don't think the small sample size of camp plus a handful of games should drive the decision on a kid you've made an enormous investment in.
 
Lias is slightly older for his class than Matthew Tkachuk was.

Tkachuk played the entire season in Calgary last year and was good, even getting better as the year went on. And he came straight from juniors, Lias played in a men's pro league.

Just saying, it can happen.
 
Glen Sathers Cigar said:
Lias is slightly older for his class than Matthew Tkachuk was.

Tkachuk played the entire season in Calgary last year and was good, even getting better as the year went on. And he came straight from juniors, Lias played in a men's pro league.

Just saying, it can happen.
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And?

If Matt Tkachuk was in this year's draft, he'd have gone #1
 
Whoever mentioned the Staal for Soderberg deal (kovacic/mint/whatever the hell your name is now :laugh:), I like the idea. Soderberg's full NTC just became modified, so maybe that deal could work. I liked his game in Boston
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
We've seen training camp superstars return to true form again and again. Kotalik. Duclair. Del Zotto looked incredible in 2010 I believe before having a rocky year.

My point is, I don't think the small sample size of camp plus a handful of games should drive the decision on a kid you've made an enormous investment in.
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I don't really disagree with any of this, but if he tears it up in camp there really is no way to know whether or not he can handle the NHL other than letting him play games.

I don't think he starts the year here anyway. DD has all the makings of someone AV will fall in love with (he probably requested him) and overplay.
 
silverfish said:
I think that's a fine thing to say, but the comparison to Matt Tkachuk was... optimistic, to say the least.
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Yeah I guess, I was just thinking more about the age than anything else, not comparing them as players or anything. Poor post by me. All I mean is that let's see what Lias has got, maybe he turns out to be NHL ready.
 
Glen Sathers Cigar said:
Yup and my Honda Accord is just as nice as that Mercedes S550.

They both have leather seats, A/C, navigation screens, etc...

I mean, it's basically the same thing, right?
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I'm no expert, but I think there's a lot more parity between private jets than cars. Every team treats their players exceptionally well. They all have professional cooks, professional trainers, professional everything.
 
silverfish said:
I think that's a fine thing to say, but the comparison to Matt Tkachuk was... optimistic, to say the least.
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Wasn't Tkachuk a possession monster all year with Backlund and Frolik? I think Andersson's game will translate to being a good possession guy, but it'll take some time for him to establish himself
 
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