Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part II: Anything Goes

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rather than add more FA's on short term deals, we need to move past that "right now" knee jerk thing.

time to let the kids play.

elc's are money right now. good teams have young players who are good. having kids play meaningful minutes on value deals is the way to move forward. its not like we dont have some quality kids.

im sick and tired of paying large $$ for average results.

let em play.
 
rather than add more FA's on short term deals, we need to move past that "right now" knee jerk thing.

time to let the kids play.

elc's are money right now. good teams have young players who are good. having kids play meaningful minutes on value deals is the way to move forward. its not like we dont have some quality kids.

im sick and tired of paying large $$ for average results.

let em play.

What 'kids' are ready up front? None. That's the issue.

That's why a deal of Staal for Bjugstad or Staal for Soderberg makes some sense. Re-allocate the bad cap to the forward group who can use a body for a year or two while some of the younger guys marinate and allow another defender playing time where the team has a newly found dearth of talent.
 
Didn't Nieves have like three concussions this past season? I'm still wary about slotting him in the 4C spot, and I'm not even sure if he's fully NHL-ready yet. A move has to be coming to swap a W or D for a C.
 
rather than add more FA's on short term deals, we need to move past that "right now" knee jerk thing.

time to let the kids play.

elc's are money right now. good teams have young players who are good. having kids play meaningful minutes on value deals is the way to move forward. its not like we dont have some quality kids.

im sick and tired of paying large $$ for average results.

let em play.

And if they aren't ready?
 
rather than add more FA's on short term deals, we need to move past that "right now" knee jerk thing.

time to let the kids play.

elc's are money right now. good teams have young players who are good. having kids play meaningful minutes on value deals is the way to move forward. its not like we dont have some quality kids.

im sick and tired of paying large $$ for average results.

let em play.

How can you be sick of something that hasn't happened in a while?

And what UFA exactly are you worried about us signing to big money knee jerk deals? Nobody is even out there.
 
Didn't Nieves have like three concussions this past season? I'm still wary about slotting him in the 4C spot, and I'm not even sure if he's fully NHL-ready yet. A move has to be coming to swap a W or D for a C.

I think he had one at Traverse City and another during the AHL season.

It is concerning for sure
 
Jagr does no damage to the management of the cap nor blocks any youth if he were brought in on a 1 year/$2 million bonus incentive deal.

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Nash-Hayes-Zucc
Vesey-Miller-Jagr
Fast*-Desharnais-Grabner

Trade for Thornton at the deadline, slide players around.
 
Jagr does no damage to the management of the cap nor blocks any youth if he were brought in on a 1 year/$2 million bonus incentive deal.

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Nash-Hayes-Zucc
Vesey-Miller-Jagr
Fast*-Desharnais-Grabner

Trade for Thornton at the deadline, slide players around.

Still pushing the Thornton agenda?

If SJ re-signed him and they feel that they are in contention, why would they trade him. Just let it go...
 
Still pushing the Thornton agenda?

If SJ re-signed him and they feel that they are in contention, why would they trade him. Just let it go...

You think SJ is in serious contention? I dont.

If they arent in a playoff spot, what is wrong with such an "agenda" when the Rangers dont have a true top six Center?

Gimme a break.
 
You think SJ is in serious contention? I dont.

If they arent in a playoff spot, what is wrong with such an "agenda" when the Rangers dont have a true top six Center?

Gimme a break.

The chances that he will be available at the deadline are slim, and I'm not sure spending quality assets on Thornton would put us over the top. There's still 3/4 of a season to play before then, but I think it's an unlikely scenario.
 
You think SJ is in serious contention? I dont.

If they arent in a playoff spot, what is wrong with such an "agenda" when the Rangers dont have a true top six Center?

Gimme a break.

He didn't say that. He said the organization feels that way otherwise why would they have re-signed him?
 
I just don't think Jagr is being considered. They wouldn't sign him at 40-44, would would they sign him at 45?

There's not much I'd love more, but just doesn't seem likely.
 
I just don't think Jagr is being considered. They wouldn't sign him at 40-44, would would they sign him at 45?

There's not much I'd love more, but just doesn't seem likely.

There wasnt a role/opening for him during those years.

Right now there is a fit. This team can compete with the talent they have on the backend now and on the wings in the top 6. Jagr is a horse and if you are gona slide Miller to Center he is a great horse to have next to him. It extends this lineup that much more and makes us tougher to play against. Jagr brings a different dynamic and style of play the consists of strong board play, behind the net and in front of it.
 
Really don't want this team to keep spending assets like throwing in 2nds or 3rds. If they are going to make a trade, then bite the bullet and make a hockey type trade if you have to with one of our wingers or dmen.

I'm still holding out hope that Gorton has a move lined up for next week once bonuses get paid.
 
Skjei isn't jumping up to 5x6 next season.

Be realistic.

How is that not realistic? Exact deal they gave McDonagh when his elc was up, skipped the bridge deal with him. They have said D have more value and they'll skip bridge route on them. Account for inflation and it's McDonagh deal, Skjei just has to repeat and build on the season he had, if he does this is a very realistic deal.
 
How is that not realistic? Exact deal they gave McDonagh when his elc was up, skipped the bridge deal with him. They have said D have more value and they'll skip bridge route on them. Account for inflation and it's McDonagh deal, Skjei just has to repeat and build on the season he had, if he does this is a very realistic deal.

Will Skjei get as favorable minutes as he did last season? Shatty, DeAngelo and McD, many more capable offensive Ds now to share it with next season. Think his production is going down, also don't think he is getting a leading role 5 on 5. McD was the No 1 D on this team when resigned, think Skjei is going to have less meat on his bones next summer. Not a knock on Skjei in any way or form, just saying that I don't think his usage next season will put him in line for a really top contract next summer.

I would personally love to lock him up long-term.
 
Two more days until 7/15, which was the key date for the Brassard trade, due to his signing bonus. Players with (meaningful) bonus money for the 2017-2018 season*:

Kreider, $1MM
Staal, $1MM
Lundqvist, $1MM

Are any of these 7/15 paydays like Brassard's was? Could we see a deal go down next week, like it did last year...?


*Also, Shattenkirk, but I'm not including him because he was just signed.
 
Brooks tried to put pressure on AV to play Shatty with McD, wrongly citing Yandle being used as a 3rd pairing D (4th in 5 on 5 ice-time, No 1 in PP, No 1 in OZone starts).

If anyone should be pressured to do anything, its Gorton to pull up his sleeves and solve the big issues we have on the roster. It is just a very unfavorable situation to enter next season with 4-5 of the top 6-7 Ds being around 30.

Would Gorton have resigned Smith if he knew Shatty was coming? He shouldn't be in the "ooooppppss" business.

Can Gorton handle the Staal situation? If not, there are other options. Smith can be traded from Day 1. Some, many if not most, will say like "Oh its not a big deal its good to have kids in the pipe they don't have to play right away they can play in HFD" etc etc etc. We all know how it will be. AV will play the vets. Maybe DeAngelo can bump Holden. But probably not for all games, its proven time and time again that it often is very hard for a young PMD to play behind an established PMD. They need the favorable offensive shifts to build confidence and learn the trade, if they only get left-overs the scale seem to tilt in a negative direction with them not being the best defensively while not getting to build confidence offensively.

The result will be that we in 2-3 years time stand there having wasted many of these kids -- the group being DeAngelo, Bereglazov, Graves, Pionk and co. -- with no result to show for it. Are we winning a Cup this season? I don't think the chances are smaller after the changes we have made up front to be honest, but will we be the best of 30? That seems like a long-shot at best, although I agree with the optimism shown by AV, its one thing to be very very good, top 4-8, and another chance to win. I think if we peak, we get into that 4-8 but don't see top 1.

Instead we have a chance to get 3 or even 4 kids onto the blueline in the coming 2 years. Skjei is there. DeAngelo should be a full-timer next season. Bereglazov is at least very very close to being a solid regular and should play from Day 1. He can handle a smaller role perfectly no doubt. That is 3. On top of that you have Graves and Pionk. I don't buy Graves on the right side, but I've been wrong before. Think Bereglazov makes zero sense on the right side. But you never know. Could become 4 if we have luck.

If we can do the above, keep building on the roster up front while infusing youth in Andersson and Chytil, we could have a very very solid platform to go forward from in the coming handful of years. Why should that be wasted on going all in on Vet Ds in the season of 17-18?
 
Two more days until 7/15, which was the key date for the Brassard trade, due to his signing bonus. Players with (meaningful) bonus money for the 2017-2018 season*:

Kreider, $1MM
Staal, $1MM
Lundqvist, $1MM

Are any of these 7/15 paydays like Brassard's was? Could we see a deal go down next week, like it did last year...?


*Also, Shattenkirk, but I'm not including him because he was just signed.

Staal. Ottawa needs a LHD to replace Methot. No names mentioned in connection with Ottawa. Maybe Gorton and Dorion have another deal in the works. $10M over 4 years isn't a terrible deal for Ottawa.
 
Will Skjei get as favorable minutes as he did last season? Shatty, DeAngelo and McD, many more capable offensive Ds now to share it with next season. Think his production is going down, also don't think he is getting a leading role 5 on 5. McD was the No 1 D on this team when resigned, think Skjei is going to have less meat on his bones next summer. Not a knock on Skjei in any way or form, just saying that I don't think his usage next season will put him in line for a really top contract next summer.

I would personally love to lock him up long-term.

The questions is it realistic for Skjei to get a $5mx6 type of deal? The answer is simply yes. All of those factors you mention can go against Skjei, but lets remember he didn't play pp until much later in the season. He will only get more 5v5 minutes than he did last year. I'm not sure point production matters that much, if he's a key 5v5 cog playing in the top 4 it's absolutely realistic he gets extended long term at close to $5m. Sure I wish it was 4.5mx6 instead but with inflation it's the a similar deal to McD. McD will also then be one year from being a UFA, we have no idea what the team decides to do there, do they think Skjei can replace him in two seasons with younger D pushing into top6. I can tell you that much, they will not be able to extend Skjei on a long term deal for less than $4m, unless they go the bridge route, and that would be a huge blunder.
 
Yeah, it really sucks to see this team try and win a cup every year.

I believe you took a wrong turn somewhere. This is HF boards, where "winning" is defined as trading away everyone over 22 for draft picks and unproven prospects. I believe the place you are looking for is called "reality" and not often accessible through the internet.
 
Will Skjei get as favorable minutes as he did last season? Shatty, DeAngelo and McD, many more capable offensive Ds now to share it with next season. Think his production is going down, also don't think he is getting a leading role 5 on 5. McD was the No 1 D on this team when resigned, think Skjei is going to have less meat on his bones next summer. Not a knock on Skjei in any way or form, just saying that I don't think his usage next season will put him in line for a really top contract next summer.

I would personally love to lock him up long-term.

He didn't play much PP time last season iirc and Shatty and DeAngelo play the opposite side so shouldn't impact his icetime.

If Skjei isn't getting second pairing minutes behind McDonagh this year all the coaches need to be fired
 
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