Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

[bleedblue94]

we're not keeping Schneider or Lundkvist. One of them is going the other way

I'm not arguing, but if you make such a trade what are you trading for a center? Othmann?

We don't need chychrun, seems like going for him would be using our assets on the wrong player.

 

[Anthony5967]

If we could have gotten past Pens in 5 it might have made a difference in the TB series....maybe...I think it could have . We need more physical play from Schneider and Miller as they mature and become more experienced at that...plus I think the two could also add some more offense from back there . Their growth and Laf/KK/Ktov /Chytil is certainly going to give us a bump overall . Meanwhile....CK and Panarin and likely Zibs will all fall off a bit .....but I think the next 2 seasons will be good for us Ranger fans overall without sending out more drafts ......it is a patience thing now .

Zibanejad is going to be 30. Plenty of years left. Hockey players are great athletes. This isn’t football. Plenty of NHLers in their mid to late 30s and still carving out fantastic seasons, like Pavelski, and others. Kreider’s skill set isn’t going to diminish. Will he score 50? Most likely not, but there’s no reason to believe he won’t be a 30+ goal guy now. His net front skills are unmatched and he’s added a new arsenal to his game around the paint. Panarin better realize he needs to bring a better, all-around game next year if this team is going to go far again. Too many times this postseason he didn’t keep with his man on the back check and it screwed them. The blind passes. All of that is cute in December on a cold, Tuesday night. In June, it costs you games.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Our top 5 players are soft P,K,S, Z and Fox. When the game get dirty and tight they disappear.. never saw them really finish a check in the playoffs..The Kids line doesn’t realized how big they are.. all the hitting is left to really only three guys. (T, L, G,) and the 5 mins the 4th line plays..we need 3 more players in the top 3 lines that finish there hits and win face offs..

Bunch of bullshit. Mika and Fox aren't paid to bang. They are paid to produce and that's exactly what they did. They were both were very good in these playoffs and didn't shy away from anything. Kreider also was engaged for the most part and put up 10 goals and 16 points in 20 games. Panarin and Strome did not have a good playoffs but I think some of that has to do with injuries but a lot is on them. I read somewhere that Strome needs surgery and may miss 6-8 months but not sure how accurate that is. Bottom line is we played 3 very good teams that have been thru the wars before and can play defense and we were 2 wins from the finals. The other guys also get paid and sometimes there just really isn't anyone to blame. Initial failure is just part of the process in most cases.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Drury’s best and safest path forward is to take a stab on a guy who isn’t necessarily there “yet” but is on his way. Nic Roy would be that guy.

If that doesn’t work out, deadline options will be available.

He’s been mentioned here before as a potential option if OTT bought him out, but Colin White could fit the bill too. He’s had some injury issues, but he started off on a heater before getting hurt. He’s still only 25 too

 

[RangersFan1994]

For some reason I think the only way that Nemeth is traded if Jones or Lundkvist someone more useful is attached to him. They should just buy out Nemeth. What a waste of a contract. How can Rangers scouts be so bad at scouting NHL talent when on the Red Wings and Avalanche he stunk and wasn't that much better on the Stars? Like I said Rangers need to improve their scouting especially at the NHL level. how did the Rangers scouts ever think that Hunt, McKegg, Gauhtier, Nemeth, Hajek were all NHL players? This organization can't be that bad at scouting?

 

[bl02]

For some reason I think the only way that Nemeth is traded if Jones or Lundkvist someone more useful is attached to him. They should just buy out Nemeth. What a waste of a contract. How can Rangers scouts be so bad at scouting NHL talent when on the Red Wings and Avalanche he stunk and wasn't that much better on the Stars? Like I said Rangers need to improve their scouting especially at the NHL level. how did the Rangers scouts ever think that Hunt, McKegg, Gauhtier, Nemeth, Hajek were all NHL players? This organization can't be that bad at scouting?

Yep!
Not losing a guy like Jones because for some reason we had to give this guy 3 years and a team like Carolina is smart enough to give Ian cole one year. Unreal. They need to give out one year deals to 6/7th dmen and that’s it.
Buy him out unless a 6th or 7th rounder attached to him gets the job done

 

[Anthony5967]

For some reason I think the only way that Nemeth is traded if Jones or Lundkvist someone more useful is attached to him. They should just buy out Nemeth. What a waste of a contract. How can Rangers scouts be so bad at scouting NHL talent when on the Red Wings and Avalanche he stunk and wasn't that much better on the Stars? Like I said Rangers need to improve their scouting especially at the NHL level. how did the Rangers scouts ever think that Hunt, McKegg, Gauhtier, Nemeth, Hajek were all NHL players? This organization can't be that bad at scouting?

To be fair, wasn’t Nemeth’s “defense” box on those sexy charts that Jfresh put out actually good? He actually said, I believe, that he was a solid signing. Overpaid? Definitely. Three years? Ridiculous. Hunt isn’t a bad depth player though. People can’t see that he’s a solid, below the hash marks player that’s strong on the puck? He goes hard to the net. Gauthier can’t put it together because he can’t finish and won’t play mean. McKegg love affair has to end. There’s literally a million other types of guys that fit his bill but bring more speed and better offense.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

For some reason I think the only way that Nemeth is traded if Jones or Lundkvist someone more useful is attached to him. They should just buy out Nemeth. What a waste of a contract. How can Rangers scouts be so bad at scouting NHL talent when on the Red Wings and Avalanche he stunk and wasn't that much better on the Stars? Like I said Rangers need to improve their scouting especially at the NHL level. how did the Rangers scouts ever think that Hunt, McKegg, Gauhtier, Nemeth, Hajek were all NHL players? This organization can't be that bad at scouting?

They aren't but not everything works out. Hunt was a solid and cheap addition but was being used on the 2nd line much of the year as we were thin at RW with the Kravs, Blais, and Kakko situations. He's a 4th line NHL player. Mckegg is a tweener, most teams have a few. Gauthier was traded for Joey Keane. Another tweener but worth a shot because of his size and speed. Joey Keane didn't amount to much either and has played 2 NHL games so far. Nemeth wasn't a good signing. Overpaid bum. Hajek was part of a lousy trade and another one that didn't work out. I thought he was a player initially but it doesn't look like it. I could name a few trades that we won big time also.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'm not arguing, but if you make such a trade what are you trading for a center? Othmann?

We don't need chychrun, seems like going for him would be using our assets on the wrong player.

I don't think we are capable of landing a 'top' Center. These are the cards we have. Mika is there. Trouba and Kreids have 2 more seasons of NMC. I don't think trading for a Center is the move this offseason ( We traded for him at the TDL ). Our need+ Potential Cost+ Current Cap doesn't make it viable

IMO we desperately need solid 2 way centers. I've been saying that all season. No kid will fill that void. Not Chytil. Not PLD. Not JTM. Sign Copp and Stastny. It's boring but they fill and strengthen a weakness. It seems like everyone is trying to build a uber Fantasy Hockey team. I see roles that need to be filled. Copp+Stastny fill those roles. Kadri would be the top choice but $8-10M is not happening.

We need puck movers. It's clear as day. Having a big and mobile defensemen is a massive + in the Playoffs. Chychrun would be like adding another type of KAM. Why wouldn't we want this? If we can land him with our surplus of assets, for a cap hit less than Nemeth.... why wouldn't we?

We could not get out of our zone. Adding a big and mobile puck mover + 2way Centers, help. IMO it's good enough to win.

In 2 years, we would still have Copp, more cap flexibility and assets to land another Center if needed.

 

[Synergy27]

Some of you are insufferable and are so hurt by the past of the Rangers that everything becomes so negative. Maybe it is possible that those “external factors” are legitimate.

I am expecting a big year from Kakko.


Yeah, just as sobering watching Kravtsov kick and scream like a baby multiple times.

At least Kakko shows up and works hard. Plays a responsible game at the NHL level. Haven’t been able to say the same about Kravtsov. But you keep moving goal posts to defend your golden princess. Now it involves putting down other young players on the team.

Acknowledging reality = insufferable. I’m not overly negative in any way, I’m just getting tired of all of the excuses.

Define “big year” and let’s revisit this in about 10 months.

 

[bobbop]

Kevin Allen used to cover The NHL for USA Today. He runs the DetroitHockeyNow website which covers the Red Wings. He knows that team very well. He has lived in Michigan forever. Allen was on Marek's show last week. Yzerman will re-sign Larkin. They won't re-sign Bertuzzi. Larkin wants to stay. Yzerman wants him to stay. They will get a new contract done.

It doesn't like Chychrun will be moving this summer




Some of these teams want too much for their players. Cap space is tight. The cap will be flat for the next two seasons for sure maybe the next three seasons. Give us your 4 best prime cheap assets for one player. Not happening. Chychrun is signed for the next three seasons at a decent number and teams don't want to pay the bounty. Cost certainty. Teams are split on him.

Coyotes badly overestimated what Chychrun would bring back in a trade. They had multiple chances to move him in March.

 

[Anthony5967]

Bunch of bullshit. Mika and Fox aren't paid to bang. They are paid to produce and that's exactly what they did. They were both were very good in these playoffs and didn't shy away from anything. Kreider also was engaged for the most part and put up 10 goals and 16 points in 20 games. Panarin and Strome did not have a good playoffs but I think some of that has to do with injuries but a lot is on them. I read somewhere that Strome needs surgery and may miss 6-8 months but not sure how accurate that is. Bottom line is we played 3 very good teams that have been thru the wars before and can play defense and we were 2 wins from the finals. The other guys also get paid and sometimes there just really isn't anyone to blame. Initial failure is just part of the process in most cases.

It’s funny because these same people screamed sell at the deadline and don’t buy because the analytics showed they weren’t a great 5 v5 team, no ****, they needed to upgrade in areas, and then they come two wins from a final and suddenly the expectations from these very same “sell!” People is extreme disappointment. So ****** up. Fox and Mika tailed off at the end but come on, failure is definitely a part of maturing and growing up. It’s part of the process. Zibanejad finished with 24 points. Makar won the Conn Smythe with 29 points. Mika plays in that cup and I bet he’s coming close to 28-30 points. If Panarin and his line did more, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Smith may be going to ltir. He had several injuries during the playoffs he played through.


Why would Vegas trade nic roy?

They love him and he's cheap. They need those guys just like we do.

They’re way more capped out than we are.

 

[bobbop]

No I’m he’s not


Kevin Slowe sucked as a Ranger- he had no business on that 94 team - he was done.

You must be about 15

 

[NickyFotiu]

Zibanejad is going to be 30. Plenty of years left. Hockey players are great athletes. This isn’t football. Plenty of NHLers in their mid to late 30s and still carving out fantastic seasons, like Pavelski, and others. Kreider’s skill set isn’t going to diminish. Will he score 50? Most likely not, but there’s no reason to believe he won’t be a 30+ goal guy now. His net front skills are unmatched and he’s added a new arsenal to his game around the paint. Panarin better realize he needs to bring a better, all-around game next year if this team is going to go far again. Too many times this postseason he didn’t keep with his man on the back check and it screwed them. The blind passes. All of that is cute in December on a cold, Tuesday night. In June, it costs you games.

There will always be outliers but players primes are usually around 24-29

 

[Daves a mess]

How many points are you suggesting we can expect?

And on what team will each be playing on?

 

[RangersFan1994]

Anyone but Scheiflie.

I'd take him over Monahan but prefer Dubois or I know unless a miracle happens with him being available or the Rangers overpay Larkin from the Red Wings



If Bertuzzi get bought out how about Bertuzzi to Rangers? Provides grit skill power forward in top 9. Is not soft and goes to the net


Rangers trade Kakko, Lundkvist, Chytil, Georgiev and 1st in 2023 and 1st 2024 for signed Larkin? Would this be fair or not close enough?

 

[RangerBoy]

Coyotes badly overestimated what Chychrun would bring back in a trade. They had multiple chances to move him in March.

It doesn't sound like Armstrong is planning to lower his demands. He made it sound like Chychrun isn't moving this summer. Not that I want the Rangers to acquire him but it will be interesting to see this situation is resolved. The Coyotes have been very direct in their desire to move the player. Teams are usually cagey in their response if a player is available. He is signed for three more seasons and there is cost certainty. You're not guessing how much his next contract will cost. Some of these teams don't have many assets to trade and/or the cap space for some of these players available in a trade.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Bunch of bullshit. Mika and Fox aren't paid to bang. They are paid to produce and that's exactly what they did. They were both were very good in these playoffs and didn't shy away from anything. Kreider also was engaged for the most part and put up 10 goals and 16 points in 20 games. Panarin and Strome did not have a good playoffs but I think some of that has to do with injuries but a lot is on them. I read somewhere that Strome needs surgery and may miss 6-8 months but not sure how accurate that is. Bottom line is we played 3 very good teams that have been thru the wars before and can play defense and we were 2 wins from the finals. The other guys also get paid and sometimes there just really isn't anyone to blame. Initial failure is just part of the process in most cases.

Fox and CK had plays where they coasted or barely moved. I do not know if that was injury or exhaustion but they were not near their best at times. Fox more in the Carolina series. CK in the TB series.

 

[OriginalLimbo]

Gif copied and saved.

 

[NickyFotiu]

And on what team will each be playing on?

I was just asking how many points for Krav. I certainly hope Ed Jov was not saying 70 points combined.

 

[CLW]

To be fair, wasn’t Nemeth’s “defense” box on those sexy charts that Jfresh put out actually good? He actually said, I believe, that he was a solid signing. Overpaid? Definitely. Three years? Ridiculous. Hunt isn’t a bad depth player though. People can’t see that he’s a solid, below the hash marks player that’s strong on the puck? He goes hard to the net. Gauthier can’t put it together because he can’t finish and won’t play mean. McKegg love affair has to end. There’s literally a million other types of guys that fit his bill but bring more speed and better offense.

Scouting is more than stat watching. I said at the time of the signing that Nemeth was good as a 7th D (meaning, as long as you don't see him on the ice... It follows the that contract becomes extra ridiculous then). I do get the logic they wanted him to mentor Nils.

Besides that, what strikes me with Reaves, Nemeth & McKegg is that they are good eggs, well liked guys in the locker room. The Rangers clearly put an emphasis on bringing in veterans and having a good positive locker room and it paid dividends.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Anyone but Scheiflie.

I'd take him over Monahan but prefer Dubois or I know unless a miracle happens with him being available or the Rangers overpay Larkin from the Red Wings



If Bertuzzi get bought out how about Bertuzzi to Rangers? Provides grit skill power forward in top 9. Is not soft and goes to the net


Rangers trade Kakko, Lundkvist, Chytil, Georgiev and 1st in 2023 and 1st 2024 for signed Larkin? Would this be fair or not close enough?

 

[duhmetreE]

Coyotes badly overestimated what Chychrun would bring back in a trade. They had multiple chances to move him in March.

Would Chytil+Lundkvist be close to getting it done?

 

[RangersFan1994]

Would Chytil+Lundkvist be close to getting it done?

Rather move that for a need which is a center. Let Jones get the 6th spot. No need for another defenseman making more than 3 mil. Rangers needs are centers. Stocking up on position that does not need much improvement and neglecting another need which is a more important need is just stupid asset management.