Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

[MrAlmost]

To be fair, the 2 time back to back cup Champs that just came within 2 wins of a 3rd cup traded for and resigned/signed as free agents their entire bottom 6 the last 3 seasons. Winning teams come in all shapes and sizes.

 

[bbny]

To be fair, the 2 time back to back cup Champs that just came within 2 wins of a 3rd cup traded for and resigned/signed as free agents their entire bottom 6 the last 3 seasons. Winning teams come in all shapes and sizes.

Tampa Bay was paying Blake Coleman 1.8 million and Barclay Goodrow 925k during both Stanley Cup winning years. Both those guys are 3x the player that Tyler Motte is. That's not a knock on Motte. Those other guys are good players and Tampa had to let them walk because they understand you pay your top players first. They got back to the Cup using a 4th line made up entirely of players getting $1M each and they were effective in their roles.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

In a vacuum, no, but the same justifications (right or not) were made about overpaying Barclay Goodrow when he signed. "Well it's only an extra 800k than I would have expected, they'll save it somewhere else". Reaves overpaid by $800k (insert "no he's really overpaid by 1.75M" joke here). Now we want to spend $4-500k more than you can really afford for the 4th line on Motte and pretend it's only 4-500k. Overpayments and as much cap as possible generally need to be saved for higher end players. When you do it too much with the grunts, it becomes cap death by a thousand cuts.

$800K extra for Goodrow, $800k for Reaves $400k extra for Motte, yet we say it's tight affording a 2C or re-signing a Copp...then we wonder why and start looking to cut Kreider or Trouba because "their number is too high".

I don't care that we may have overpaid for other guys. I'm talking about 1 particular player who fits this team like a glove. He's versatile, can skate, play well 5 X 5, and can PK. Something around 1.8 mil per would be a fair deal and upgrade a less than stellar 4th line.

 

[QJL]

I want good players on my team that can skate and are solid at 5x5 and PK. It's OK if he costs a little more than some scrub 4th liner would cost so we can save a couple of hundred thousand. If it's more than 1.8mil it won't be by much. Too many capologists on this board. I'm sure the front office is well aware of the cap.

The cap is real. If you want to keep Motte, provide a solution that takes cap into consideration beyond this season.

We all want him on the team. He’s a fantastic 4th liner, 5v5 engine, and PKer.

If we have another 5M+ C on the roster, there is no room for Motte and keeping all the kids. It’s that tight. If it ends up being Dubois over 7M, forget about it.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

The cap is real. If you want to keep Motte, provide a solution that takes cap into consideration beyond this season.

We all want him on the team. He’s a fantastic 4th liner, 5v5 engine, and PKer.

If we have another 5M+ C on the roster, there is no room for Motte and keeping all the kids. It’s that tight. If it ends up being Dubois over 7M, forget about it.

I don't have to provide a solution. I'm not the GM or one the finance pros working for the NY Rangers. Those are the guys who go over plans A,B, and C when they sign a guy. I'm pretty sure they are aware the cap is real. Neither you nor I know what other plans they may have in the works also. That includes this year and in future years. It's a reason I never worry about the cap.

 

[17futurecap]

30. New York Rangers: They really like Copp, but right now it’s not a financial fit. They like Ryan Strome (and he likes it there). There were times it seemed like it was gaining momentum, but, as of now, it’s not a financial fit. So they’re looking at centres on the trade market. Alexis Lafreniere’s strong playoff ruined others’ ideas of asking for him, but no question the requests are now about Filip Chytil and Kaapo Kakko. There’s probably some Braden Schneider, too, but I don’t think the Rangers want any part of that. Nils Lundkvist is much more likely. If Adam Henrique had one year left instead of two, I wondered about the Ducks eating some salary and making it work. New York was asking a high price (including a non-waiver eligible prospect) in exchange for Alexander Georgiev, but teams weren’t biting because they thought the goalie might not be qualified due to the cap squeeze.

Nothing new here in 32 thoughts, but a good read with notes on every team if you are interested.

 

[QJL]

I don't have to provide a solution. I'm not the GM or one the finance pros working for the NY Rangers. Those are the guys who go over plans A,B, and C when they sign a guy. I'm pretty sure they are aware the cap is real. Neither you nor I know what other plans they may have in the works also. That includes this year and in future years. It's a reason I never worry about the cap.

Yes, and I hope the Rangers sign Filip Forsberg and Johnny Gaudreau. I’ll let the finance guys figure it out.

 

[Kocur26]

No offense but is there anything you don't give Brooks credit for? Be honest. Was it Brooks or Leetch that was your key to 1994?

Bobby Holik - LB’s only blemish

Back in the day - mike & the mad dog believed they had sway over the Mets if they ranted enough: ie Mike Piazza . They believed Piazza was a met because of them.

LB wrote a few large articles about Holik and you know the rest ; he was no piazza .

HE’S B’WAY BOBBY : HOLIK, RANGERS AGREE ON 5-YR., $45M CONTRACT

That was a clap of hockey thunder over the Hudson last night, a roar by the name of Bobby Holik, whose free agent defection from the Meadowlands to Manhattan signals a shift in the balance of power…

nypost.com

And then defended him when sather told the hockey world Holik was outta shape;

SATHER OFF BASE ON HOLIK

LET’S get this straight. Bobby Holik is the very least of the problems on a Ranger team whose Christmas stocking is overstuffed with them. Yet, for whatever reason, Glen Sather on Saturday de…

nypost.com

Brooks has fascination for ex devils in Ranger blue - joe cirella - John Maclean - Bobby Holik - and Bruce fkn driver …

 

[Savant]

Bobby Holik - LB’s only blemish

Back in the day - mike & the mad dog believed they had sway over the Mets if they ranted enough: ie Mike Piazza . They believed Piazza was a met because of them.

LB wrote a few large articles about Holik and you know the rest ; he was no piazza .

HE’S B’WAY BOBBY : HOLIK, RANGERS AGREE ON 5-YR., $45M CONTRACT

That was a clap of hockey thunder over the Hudson last night, a roar by the name of Bobby Holik, whose free agent defection from the Meadowlands to Manhattan signals a shift in the balance of power…

nypost.com

And then defended him when sather told the hockey world Holik was outta shape;

SATHER OFF BASE ON HOLIK

LET’S get this straight. Bobby Holik is the very least of the problems on a Ranger team whose Christmas stocking is overstuffed with them. Yet, for whatever reason, Glen Sather on Saturday de…

nypost.com

Brooks has fascination for ex devils in Ranger blue - joe cirella - John Maclean - Bobby Holik - and Bruce fkn driver …

Because Brooksie is a Devils fan

 

[mas0764]

I don't have to provide a solution. I'm not the GM or one the finance pros working for the NY Rangers. Those are the guys who go over plans A,B, and C when they sign a guy. I'm pretty sure they are aware the cap is real. Neither you nor I know what other plans they may have in the works also. That includes this year and in future years. It's a reason I never worry about the cap.

Ok but then don’t weigh in on moves that should or shouldn’t be made and then retreat to “that’s not my job to worry about.” The discussion, if you want to participate in it, has to take the cap into account.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The fact that seemingly no guesses on a contract for Motte were thrown out by Mollie suggests that yes the Rangers want to re-sign him but that nothing is set in stone

 

[NickyFotiu]

Bobby Holik - LB’s only blemish

Back in the day - mike & the mad dog believed they had sway over the Mets if they ranted enough: ie Mike Piazza . They believed Piazza was a met because of them.

LB wrote a few large articles about Holik and you know the rest ; he was no piazza .

HE’S B’WAY BOBBY : HOLIK, RANGERS AGREE ON 5-YR., $45M CONTRACT

That was a clap of hockey thunder over the Hudson last night, a roar by the name of Bobby Holik, whose free agent defection from the Meadowlands to Manhattan signals a shift in the balance of power…

nypost.com

And then defended him when sather told the hockey world Holik was outta shape;

SATHER OFF BASE ON HOLIK

LET’S get this straight. Bobby Holik is the very least of the problems on a Ranger team whose Christmas stocking is overstuffed with them. Yet, for whatever reason, Glen Sather on Saturday de…

nypost.com

Brooks has fascination for ex devils in Ranger blue - joe cirella - John Maclean - Bobby Holik - and Bruce fkn driver …

Only blemish. Sure lol. Saying the Rangers can't include Jamie Ludmark in a trade for Jagr isn't a blemish? Saying we wont sign a big name FA dman an hour before we sign him isn't a blemish? A guy safely behind his keyboard calling Kevin Lowe a coward isnt a blemish?

 

[DialUp]

Tampa has an extremely similar player signed at a very similar cap hit from a while back in Palat who just helped carry them to the Stanley Cup Final.

Copp wouldn't have produced in the clutch ways that palat has over the years. Of course, environment and other factors come into play, as in palat would probably be ordinary if he wasnt on Tampa.

 

[RangerBoy]

Does the league still have the legal tampering period or whatever they called it when teams can talk to upcoming free agents in the days leading up to free agency?

No. The players didn't want the discussion period in the new CBA. Teams had the opportunity to think before signing the player to a crazy contract.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Years of bitching about letting Fast go

Now it is don't sign Motte for 2 mil or it will alter the entire course of the franchise

Math is tough I know but we can't have all these high end contracts and then have 6 or 7 mill on our 4th line it doesn't work. 4th liners are the easiest players to have on your roster at entry level contracts, Motte isn't the issue per say but having Reaves, Motte, Goodrow, Blais in the bottom of the roster at this point in their careers and pay scale will end up costing us at the top of the roster.

 

[QJL]

Math is tough I know but we can't have all these high end contracts and then have 6 or 7 mill on our 4th line it doesn't work. 4th liners are the easiest players to have on your roster at entry level contracts, Motte isn't the issue per say but having Reaves, Motte, Goodrow, Blais in the bottom of the roster at this point in their careers and pay scale will end up costing us at the top of the roster.

I’m guessing most would prefer Fast or Motte at $2.5 to Goodrow at $3.642. I’d prefer both regardless of cap hit.

 

[Lays]

Years of bitching about letting Fast go

Now it is don't sign Motte for 2 mil or it will alter the entire course of the franchise

Speaking of Fast I wonder if there’s any way we can get him back. I mean Drury was interested in bringing JTM back so I don’t see why not. Should’ve been kept

 

[RangerBoy]

Strome will likely have surgery that keeps him out 6-8 months. That is a verifiable rumor

Strome has a pelvis injury. 6-8 months?

 

[Vitto79]

Henrique At 50 for Nemeth and Georgiev

Ducks trade Gibson? Doubt it but gotta think out of the box for a C

 

[RangerBoy]

Nothing new here in 32 thoughts, but a good read with notes on every team if you are interested.

He mentioned the Rangers in the Vancouver segment.

14. Vancouver: Brock Boeser is exhibit A why deadlines matter. You hear all sorts of talk — they’re not close, they’re not close, they’re not close — and it’s true, but then a deadline comes and people get serious. Teammate Iain MacIntyre had a great interview with Boeser on Saturday night, and it’s impossible not to root for him. I don’t think he’s getting traded; everyone here believes he’ll be rejuvenated come September. There’s a path to a Bo Horvat extension. Hard to predict a timeline, but that’s the goal. Whether it’s the Rangers or Washington or someone else, the Canucks will aim higher than Minnesota’s return for Fiala and should get it for J.T. Miller. It’s going to be too hard to get an extension done. The Canucks could surprise us. The Tyler Myers rumours have been there forever — they’ve got a price they want paid to consider it — but a few teams have suggested they might do something we haven’t thought of yet.

He fails to mentions a Miller extension is impossible for the Rangers. Fiala signed with LA. 7 years.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Speaking of Fast I wonder if there’s any way we can get him back. I mean Drury was interested in bringing JTM back so I don’t see why not. Should’ve been kept

Did you notice Fast in the playoffs vs us? Much rather have Staal who was a handful and wins faceoffs.

 

[RangerBoy]

One more thing about Strome. It’s financial with Strome too. Term. Money. A few weeks ago, Staple said he thought the Rangers could get Strome for 3-4 years at $4.5M. I was listening to his podcast when he made that statement. What is Arthur smoking? Strome wants a bigger number. Who gives these guys this information? Agents. Executives. Everyone has an agenda.

 

[Tob]

Yes, and I hope the Rangers sign Filip Forsberg and Johnny Gaudreau. I’ll let the finance guys figure it out.

@Thirty One

Well?

 

[NickyFotiu]

Yes, and I hope the Rangers sign Filip Forsberg and Johnny Gaudreau. I’ll let the finance guys figure it out.

We deserve both.

 

[QJL]

Atlantic: Florida
Metro: Washington
Central: Minnesota
Pacific: Calgary