Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

[PuckLuck3043]

The Rangers lost the ability to comfortably sign a 4th liner like Tyler Motte for ~$2M the second they signed a premier bottom 6 player in Barclay Goodrow for $3.6.

Motte is a nice player, but realistically they can’t spend more than 1.25-1.5 on a 4th liner. If he takes that, great. If not, gotta move on.

And if they sign him for 1.9mil is that 400k really going to make that much of a difference because that is what he is going to get.

 

[huerter]

Gourde
TyJo
Poeling

butt cised.

 

[Fitzy]

Gourde
TyJo
Poeling

butt cised.

Are we really gonna try to win the cup by stealing aging lightning cup winners for the second straight window?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

What's with the Tyler Johnson love? The guy had SEVEN points last year. He's done!

If he played a full year, he might have hit 25. For $5 million?

May as well call up the Kraken and see what it would cost to get Gourde.

I'm not surprised with the intel that @bobbop gave us that there were locker room issues in Seattle. Hakstol is running that team. He's essentially a Quinn prototype.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Are we really gonna try to win the cup by stealing aging lightning cup winners for the second straight window?

Rangers/Oilers circa 1994?

 

[bobbop]

The best thing the Rangers have going for them in free agency is guys (centers) watching on TV this spring and visualizing themselves as the second line center on next year’s Stanley Cup champions.

 

[huerter]

What's with the Tyler Johnson love? The guy had SEVEN points last year. He's done!

If he played a full year, he might have hit 25. For $5 million?

May as well call up the Kraken and see what it would cost to get Gourde.

I'm not surprised with the intel that @bobbop gave us that there were locker room issues in Seattle. Hakstol is running that team. He's essentially a Quinn prototype.

The whole focus for the offseason should be how are we gonna navigate the royal road revolution that is upon us. What better way than to get the guy who paved the road? And it's not gonna be a 5 mil add. There will be other components. You will be cised.

 

[Anthony5967]

The best thing the Rangers have going for them in free agency is guys (centers) watching on TV this spring and visualizing themselves as the second line center 9n next year’s Stanley Cup champions.

Which ones sitting there are thinking of providing the Rangers a nice “discount”?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I love motte, but trading for and resigning bottom 6 players to contracts is what gets you into cap hell. We need to be able to fill in the bottom 6 with homegrown or cheap players at entry level deals to offset the high cap players. I personally have said it all along we jumped one year too early. Losing picks and then signing 4th line guys to 2 mill contracts will bite us in the ass.
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[Anthony5967]

I love motte, but trading for and resigning bottom 6 players to contracts is what gets you into cap hell. We need to be able to fill in the bottom 6 with homegrown or cheap players at entry level deals to offset the high cap players. I personally have said it all along we jumped one year too early. Losing picks and then signing 4th line guys to 2 mill contracts will bite us in the ass.
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Especially with Berard knocking, Cuylle nearly ready, and they also are paying Reaves $1.7M.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Just wait until you find out he is extended. Gona be quite the shocker.

It's not gonna be a shocker, the Rangers love to pay too much money for depth. It's par for the course.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Especially with Berard knocking, Cuylle nearly ready, and they also are paying Reaves $1.7M.

This isn't going out and being Jim Benning.

The hope is that Motte adds some stability as a disruptor to the 4th line and is a stalwart on the PK for the next 4-5 years.

Cullye and Beard in a perfect world start as third liners or second line even strength complimentary players/third wheels and work their way up.

The Rangers have not been good at drafting/developing 4th line players consistently since the 2005-06 reboot. The guys in the organization now who would battle for those roles likes Edstrom/Rueschoff/Richards are all question marks, and Gettinger has plateaued.

 

[Anthony5967]

This isn't going out and being Jim Benning.

The hope is that Motte adds some stability as a disruptor to the 4th line and is a stalwart on the PK for the next 4-5 years.

Cullye and Beard in a perfect world start as third liners or second line even strength complimentary players/third wheels and work their way up.

The Rangers have not been good at drafting/developing 4th line players consistently since the 2005-06 reboot. The guys in the organization now who would battle for those roles likes Edstrom/Rueschoff/Richards are all question marks, and Gettinger has plateaued.

Gettinger is like Gauthier, they have size and can be mean but don't have a mean bone in their body. Gentle giants. No place on this team for that.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I love motte, but trading for and resigning bottom 6 players to contracts is what gets you into cap hell. We need to be able to fill in the bottom 6 with homegrown or cheap players at entry level deals to offset the high cap players. I personally have said it all along we jumped one year too early. Losing picks and then signing 4th line guys to 2 mill contracts will bite us in the ass.
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Our 4th line was essentially garbage this year and a liability. Motte is a solid player that fits the mold, has speed, and is a very good pk'er. This team was plain better when he was in the lineup and he was missed when he got injured. If they pay him 1.8 mil or so is that really going to break the bank? They will have ELC forwards like Othmann, Cuylle, and eventually Berard who will play 3rd or 4th line minutes in the near future to help manage the cap. Reaves and Rooney will be gone soon. It would actually be nice to have a real NHL player on the 4th line for once.

 

[QJL]

Our 4th line was essentially garbage this year and a liability. Motte is a solid player that fits the mold, has speed, and is a very good pk'er. This team was plain better when he was in the lineup and he was missed when he got injured. If they pay him 1.8 mil or so is that really going to break the bank? They will have ELC forwards like Othmann, Cuylle, and eventually Berard who will play 3rd or 4th line minutes in the near future to help manage the cap. Reaves and Rooney will be gone soon. It would actually be nice to have a real NHL player on the 4th line for once.

Motte is going to cost more than 1.8M and yes we’re in a situation where every dollar counts, even if there are 5 ELCs on this team this year and next.

If we keep Motte, it may very well cost us the space needed to keep a Lindgren, Chytil, Kakko, Kravtsov level second contract. Decisions decisions.

If we somehow can find a young affordable middle 6 center, we can keep Motte and the gang.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Gettinger is like Gauthier, they have size and can be mean but don't have a mean bone in their body. Gentle giants. No place on this team for that.

If they could combine Gauthier's speed with how Gettinger works the corners and reads the game, that would be a hell of a player.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Motte is going to cost more than 1.8M and yes we’re in a situation where every dollar counts, even if there are 5 ELCs on this team this year and next.

I want good players on my team that can skate and are solid at 5x5 and PK. It's OK if he costs a little more than some scrub 4th liner would cost so we can save a couple of hundred thousand. If it's more than 1.8mil it won't be by much. Too many capologists on this board. I'm sure the front office is well aware of the cap.

 

[Alluckks]

Years of bitching about letting Fast go

Now it is don't sign Motte for 2 mil or it will alter the entire course of the franchise

 

[Good Intentions]

If they could combine Gauthier's speed with how Gettinger works the corners and reads the game, that would be a hell of a player.

Would be an NHL player. Neither are, neither will become one.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Years of bitching about letting Fast go

Now it is don't sign Motte for 2 mil or it will alter the entire course of the franchise

Yes, that extra 500k is going to send this team into a death spiral.

 

[pblawr]

I always gave LB credit for that night ; standing up to a fake tough guy - a masshole.
LB refused to leave - Torts attacked w insults ; sign of a weak man .
LB stood his ground like sitting Bull.
Torts is gone - career In flames .
LB is the most trusted source in the league .

Didn't Sitting Bull surrender?

 

[Anthony5967]

Years of bitching about letting Fast go

Now it is don't sign Motte for 2 mil or it will alter the entire course of the franchise

Lunatics, my friend. He's gotta sign Motte because the “we gotta be tougher to play against” boys didn’t sign Fast back for $2m lousy dollars.

 

[Alluckks]

Yes, that extra 500k is going to send this team into a death spiral.

God forbid we have another PK stalwart who can play hard up and down the lineup for 12-14 minutes a night

Lunatics, my friend. He's gotta sign Motte because the “we gotta be tougher to play against” boys didn’t sign Fast back for $2m lousy dollars.

Meanwhile getting Fast matched up against our top line every opportunity for a series against him these playoffs made us nearly lose the series alone because we were inept when Fast's line got the 2nd change until we broke through in game 7

 

[bbny]

And if they sign him for 1.9mil is that 400k really going to make that much of a difference because that is what he is going to get.

In a vacuum, no, but the same justifications (right or not) were made about overpaying Barclay Goodrow when he signed. "Well it's only an extra 800k than I would have expected, they'll save it somewhere else". Reaves overpaid by $800k (insert "no he's really overpaid by 1.75M" joke here). Now we want to spend $4-500k more than you can really afford for the 4th line on Motte and pretend it's only 4-500k. Overpayments and as much cap as possible generally need to be saved for higher end players. When you do it too much with the grunts, it becomes cap death by a thousand cuts.

$800K extra for Goodrow, $800k for Reaves $400k extra for Motte, yet we say it's tight affording a 2C or re-signing a Copp...then we wonder why and start looking to cut Kreider or Trouba because "their number is too high".

 

[bbny]

Years of bitching about letting Fast go

Now it is don't sign Motte for 2 mil or it will alter the entire course of the franchise

Do you think Motte is as good as Fast that he should be paid the same as Fast?