Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

[Alluckks]

The Rangers lost the ability to comfortably sign a 4th liner like Tyler Motte for ~$2M the second they signed a premier bottom 6 player in Barclay Goodrow for $3.6.

Motte is a nice player, but realistically they can’t spend more than 1.25-1.5 on a 4th liner. If he takes that, great. If not, gotta move on.

We'll see, I'm betting they have another bottom 6 player or 2 that makes 1.8 per year or more

 

[CLW]

We were atrocious 5v5 all season.. Please look at the big picture. PPP are great. Please don't tell me how many points <insert PP specialist here> had

You still need to drive play more than 30% of the time. Zibs line ended up with 35% xG in the playoffs. That is abhorrent.

Panarin line not that much better at 40%.

Why isn't 5v5 working with all this talent? Because the entire system relies on players initiating and attacking. It's why the kid line was effective..... It's why there needs to be a complete recalibration with the roster. We have the winning pieces IMO... it needs some tweaking though.

The issue is 1. coaching X & O's 2. approach (outdated) 3. The offensive kids not being mature yet to dominate consistently, which they will be in 2-3 years time.

Dont use the kids as props for the big money stars. Stop pandering to the stars. Play a team game. The 5v5 issues have to be fixed with good coaching.

Panarin - Zibenijad/Chytil- Kravtsov/KK
Laf -Chytil/Zib - Kakko/Kravtsov
Kreider - XX - Motte (checking line)
Hunt - Goodrow - Blais

Rantanen and Landeskog play C much of the time when their team is on D, while playing wingers in the o-zone. Landeskog also takes a lot of draws. Rantanen played first line RW, 2nd line C, 3rd line RW at various points on the playoffs.

The point I'm making is that Colorado played to a system (X & O's), with players trained in that system and used interchangeably within that system, and hand picked to fit that system (approach), rather than looking to the same old, same old, tragically same old, to somehow do the magic.

Or we could use Tampa's ability to play vastly different styles depending on the situation as an example of dynamic X and O ability built up over time and with purpose.

I think/hope Drury has a similar vision but he can't get there over 1 summer with the odds and ends we have now. In 2-3 years when the kids are mature and Othmann/Cuylle hopefully have stepped up this team will be closer to that.

Accept that the team is in transition and in a growth phase. Doesn't mean that tweaks cannot be made but those tweaks/improvements can't create blocks for the future.

The alternative is the same old tired "Go for the Latest Shiny Thing" and jam it down the roster regardless of fit beyond stereotype ("2C") chemistry, consequences or vision.

Can Drury balance the approach within staying true to his (presumed) vision and the traditional approach of the impatient NYR market?

 

[bbny]

Just wait until you find out he is extended.

That’s fine. I like him.

Gona be quite the shocker.

God I hope not.

 

[NYR Viper]

It’s going to be interesting for young players the year because I get the sense that there will be quite a few cheap, effective veterans available signing short term deals. It may be a good year to allow the young kids to marinate

 

[egelband]

Maybe when we were originally trading him.

Definitely then, but even now. He’s still a top shutdown guy. He was injured in the playoffs this year by the time we faced TB, as far as I know.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It'd really a horse that has been beaten back to life, but I'd really like to have Panarin's 11.6 available right now.

 

[Go Rangers]

Seravalli is probably doing Darren Ferris a favor by constantly mentioning the Kadri to NYR stuff. It’s probably a negotiating tactic to get someone in the East to up the value of the contract

I would think Washington might be a little desperate to overpay.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I would think Washington might be a little desperate to overpay.

Philly.

 

[Go Rangers]

Philly.

You might even argue the Islanders

 

[mas0764]

It'd really a horse that has been beaten back to life, but I'd really like to have Panarin's 11.6 available right now.

I'd like to have Trouba's $8m back way more.

 

[kovazub94]

The Rangers lost the ability to comfortably sign a 4th liner like Tyler Motte for ~$2M the second they signed a premier bottom 6 player in Barclay Goodrow for $3.6.

Motte is a nice player, but realistically they can’t spend more than 1.25-1.5 on a 4th liner. If he takes that, great. If not, gotta move on.

This is just not true, it depends on what the Rangers do otherwise. They can sign a cheaper 3C and have room for Motte.

 

[McRanger92]

Every million counts this summer. I’m very interested to see if Reaves is a full-time player next year. If not, you have to look to move him, no? I can’t see them moving him after they went out and made it a point to bring him in. He’s fit the group well and added a much needed element to that room.

I love Reavo but the Rangers may have enough grit through the lineup next year without him, especially if they add a 2C that plays with an edge.

Trouba, Kreider, Goodrow, Laf, Schneider, Blais, Cuylle can all play that game. If 75 isn’t playing every night, the money is better spent elsewhere

 

[AirGut]

It'd really a horse that has been beaten back to life, but I'd really like to have Panarin's 11.6 available right now.

Panarin, like Shesterkin, is essentially the franchise right now. I too would love to have that 11.6 but at this point there is no way Artemi is actually moved and I don't think he ever will be for the remainder of his contract here in NY.

I don't know how the f*** Drury will manage to keep Shesterkin in 3 years time, seriously it's impossible to keep Kreider or Trouba and Panarin when Shesty will be asking for $10M fairly soon. That's why our window is these next 3 years, but how the f*** do we improve at all these next couple years if we don't even have any wiggle room? I think Drury will get really fancy just to thread the needle between being a contender and also navigating the cap and it's struggles. My fear though is this team getting nowhere in 3 or 4 years and us staring down another "rebuild". What a nightmare it could be

 

[McRanger92]

Panarin, like Shesterkin, is essentially the franchise right now. I too would love to have that 11.6 but at this point there is no way Artemi is actually moved and I don't think he ever will be for the remainder of his contract here in NY.

I don't know how the f*** Drury will manage to keep Shesterkin in 3 years time, seriously it's impossible to keep Kreider or Trouba and Panarin when Shesty will be asking for $10M fairly soon. That's why our window is these next 3 years, but how the f*** do we improve at all these next couple years if we don't even have any wiggle room? I think Drury will get really fancy just to thread the needle between being a contender and also navigating the cap and it's struggles. My fear though is this team getting nowhere in 3 or 4 years and us staring down another "rebuild". What a nightmare it could be

The team is going as far as their stars take them, like every championship team. Drury may feel if he can add another stud in the near term, it gives them their best chance at a Cup.

 

[Anthony5967]

Panarin, like Shesterkin, is essentially the franchise right now. I too would love to have that 11.6 but at this point there is no way Artemi is actually moved and I don't think he ever will be for the remainder of his contract here in NY.

I don't know how the f*** Drury will manage to keep Shesterkin in 3 years time, seriously it's impossible to keep Kreider or Trouba and Panarin when Shesty will be asking for $10M fairly soon. That's why our window is these next 3 years, but how the f*** do we improve at all these next couple years if we don't even have any wiggle room? I think Drury will get really fancy just to thread the needle between being a contender and also navigating the cap and it's struggles. My fear though is this team getting nowhere in 3 or 4 years and us staring down another "rebuild". What a nightmare it could be

The franchise will move guys and have enough depth to make up for Kreider or Trouba before letting Igor walk. But this idea that Igor will bend them over for $10M may not be entirely accurate. We've heard about how much he loved Henrik, the Garden faithful, fans that chant his name even after goals are allowed. It brings him to tears. If I can see anybody taking a “discount,” it's him.

The team is going as far as their stars take them, like every championship team. Drury may feel if he can add another stud in the near term, jt gives them their best chance at a Cup.

JT Miller.

 

[McRanger92]

The franchise will move guys and have enough depth to make up for Kreider or Trouba before letting Igor walk. But this idea that Igor will bend them over for $10M may not be entirely accurate. We've heard about how much he loved Henrik, the Garden faithful, fans that chant his name even after goals are allowed. It brings him to tears. If I can see anybody taking a “discount,” it's him.


JT Miller.

Type but JT fits the bill, as does Kadri

 

[bbny]

This is just not true, it depends on what the Rangers do otherwise. They can sign a cheaper 3C and have room for Motte.

Look at the concession you just made to have a $2M 4th line wing.

 

[duhmetreE]

I would think Washington might be a little desperate to overpay.

I could see him going to Calgary or staying in Colorado

 

[NYR94]

Does the league still have the legal tampering period or whatever they called it when teams can talk to upcoming free agents in the days leading up to free agency?

 

[Kocur26]

Is Larry "got beat up at the bustop" Brooks in the HOF for his hockey ability? His coaching ability? His ability to put together a team that went to the conference finals? Or is it for running his mouth for 50 years in print?

I always gave LB credit for that night ; standing up to a fake tough guy - a masshole.
LB refused to leave - Torts attacked w insults ; sign of a weak man .
LB stood his ground like sitting Bull.
Torts is gone - career In flames .
LB is the most trusted source in the league .

 

[RGY]

I always gave LB credit for that night ; standing up to a fake tough guy - a masshole.
LB refused to leave - Torts attacked w insults ; sign of a weak man .
LB stood his ground like sitting Bull.
Torts is gone - career In flames .
LB is the most trusted source in the league .

Bahahahaha.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I always gave LB credit for that night ; standing up to a fake tough guy - a masshole.
LB refused to leave - Torts attacked w insults ; sign of a weak man .
LB stood his ground like sitting Bull.
Torts is gone - career In flames .
LB is the most trusted source in the league .

No offense but is there anything you don't give Brooks credit for? Be honest. Was it Brooks or Leetch that was your key to 1994?

 

[Vitto79]

This is just not true, it depends on what the Rangers do otherwise. They can sign a cheaper 3C and have room for Motte.

This is true and may be the way to go

It’s risky but what if they get a Dach for aLundkvist package

 

[EdJovanovski]

Best in the business!

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Obviously Kadri is gonna sign with Arizona for 8 million a year then they’re gonna eat 50% of it so it’s dead money to reach the cap floor, and trade him to the Rangers. Boom, problem solved