Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

[Thirty One]

It’s like when Wilson went nuts but Trouba and Lindgren were out that game . This teams has plenty of grit

Kreider too.

That much I knew, but to post a confirmed deal & then delete without a peep seems odd.

I thought Pagnotta had come credibility. Guess not.

The real Pagnotta has some credibility. The one with the 0 in place of the o does not.

 

[Boris Zubov]

It's a fake account. There are a bunch of Pagnotta fakes. This one still has the tweets up that you posted; that handle of the account spells "Period" as "Peri0d" which is the giveaway. Also it has 85 followers, LOL.

EDIT: It also says "parody account" in the bio.

Yeah I was drinking & I'm not a twitter hound....should learn to pay attention better.

 

[pld459666]

They still don't f***ing play Andujar and he would probably be their second best all-around offensive player behind Judge.

But you either have to defend or hit 40 homers. Cashman isn't interested in a DH that hits .300. Contact bad.

This is maddening.

Give me one Judge and 8 .300 hitters and the World Series is a cake walk

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Frank Seravalli: Edmonton won’t be able to get a 2nd for Jesse Puljujarvi. The other guy gets defensive and tries to pump up Jesse’s worth.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

If that's still the case then Drury needs a swift slap to snap him out of it.

At this point, you take whatever offer you get for Georgiev and run with it. The cat is out of that bag.

Don’t know but I hope you’re wrong. The wishful thinker in me sees many NHL teams that are not happy with their goaltending and their G.M.s that are under pressure not to fail this coming season.

 

[Dijock94]

Frank Seravalli: Edmonton won’t be able to get a 2nd for Jesse Puljujarvi. The other guy gets defensive and tries to pump up Jesse’s worth.

Rights to Georgiev for him straight up

 

[GAGLine]

Gauthier and Georgiev for Pool Party. Do it.

Pulju needs a new contract. How much do you think he gets and why do you think it's a good idea for us to spend that money on a winger?

 

[Guyute]

So last night I was having dinner with some friends & I got this from another friend of mine at around 1030pm. I was drinking & involved in conversation so I didn't look at it's validity til this morning. Obviously it's fake or was misreported, but did anyone else see this & was it discussed anywhere?

Boo this man for posting an obviously fake account!

 

[HonestGabe]

Seravalli on the DFO Rundown said that the Rangers have Nazem Kadri very high on their list this summer.

How are they affording that?

 

[TheShape]

What smoke is that? Did I miss something?

Frank Seravalli

 

[Dijock94]

Seravalli on the DFO Rundown said that the Rangers have Nazem Kadri very high on their list this summer.

How are they affording that?

I think people tie everything to the Rangers at this point for the clicks. We’re a huge fanbase

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Seravalli on the DFO Rundown said that the Rangers have Nazem Kadri very high on their list this summer.

How are they affording that?

The same way we’re affording PLD!

I think people tie everything to the Rangers at this point for the clicks. We’re a huge fanbase

Happens, literally, every summer.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’m sure Drury is investigating every possible avenue no matter how unlikely it is to come together.

Some of these names are obvious non fits. Doesn’t hurt to check in though I guess

 

[RangerBoy]

Pulju needs a new contract. How much do you think he gets and why do you think it's a good idea for us to spend that money on a winger?

Staple reported Edmonton is interested in acquiring Georgiev's rights but they want to send the Rangers a mid-size contract in return and the Rangers don't want that.

Edmonton has a few mid-size contracts. Kassian. 2 years. $3.2M AAV. No. Foegele. 2 years. $2.75M. No. Ryan. 1 year. $1.25M. No. Ceci. 3 years. $3.25M AAV. No.

Ryan McLeod would work.

 

[NYR Viper]

Pulju needs a new contract. How much do you think he gets and why do you think it's a good idea for us to spend that money on a winger?

He could fit, depending on the term he is looking for and other moves. I mentioned a Blais + Georgiev for Puljujaarvi + pick a couple of pages back. That would probably fit. We should know more once Motte signs. If Drury can get him in at, say $1.75m or below then there is space there.

In terms of why they would want to add him, he adds another versatile, big body forward who is sound at both ends of the ice. Even if he tops out as a 40 point winger, that's Lehkonen territory who is a very useful piece.

 

[McRanger92]

Personally, I think the "youngest team in the playoffs" line is a bit overstated, because of how players were actually utilized and where the NYR relied on for production - specifically among the forwards. Miller-Fox-Igor absolutely fit the bill of a young elite core that should provide optimism for the future.

The forward group, specifically the forwards that are given the majority of ice time including PP time...not so much. All you brought up was what those players did THIS run. I am talking about the run after this one, and then the run after that. I don't know how you win a Cup today without an elite forward group and I'm not convinced this wasn't the peak for the NYR forward group due to impact-weighted age and cap commitments.


My anxiety is based on observing that the best teams in the league over the last 15 years or so have had a few things in common.

Most notably a homegrown core that they keep together for as long as possible to provide as many “kicks at the cans” as possible.

This makes sense because in the NHL, in any one given year due to injuries, puck luck, refs, etc. winning the Cup is a crapshoot.

Caps, Blues, Tampa, Avs cores were in place for years before they won a Cup to varying degrees.

But they built a core around their young talent, developed and added to it over a long period of time, and then reaped the rewards of this process.

The NYR are constantly attempting to cheat this process in various ways with predictable results. Building around short windows because all of your cap space is tied up on veterans right at the exact peak of their careers or slightly past it is not a sustainable approach to team building.

The lessons for successful teams are so clear but it emphasizes that at the end of the day the NYR are an entertainment product, nothing more to it than that.

I personally dont really care how other teams won Cups, especially the Blues & Caps who really just got hot after disappointing in the playoffs for a decade. But the Rangers core has been building together for 3 years now. Mika/Panarin/Kreider/Trouba/Fox/Igor all debuted with the Rangers in 19-20 or before (Kreider/Mika's case) and they've all been through the shit. Our core is actually right at the age many of the other teams you mentioned won their Cups.

Saying the Rangers "cut corners" after rebuilding for 5 years makes no sense to me. Now that the core guys have been supplemented by the cheap youth, some of which will be added to the core as others will be moved out when they become expensive, its the right mix to win now. I have confidence that our best players will continue to get better the more playoff runs they get under their belt. When you've got the elite talent & goaltending locked in, we will always have a chance.

 

[RangerBoy]

The same way we’re affording PLD!


Happens, literally, every summer.

Are you saying the Rangers can't afford $8M for Kadri?

 

[McRanger92]

The same way we’re affording PLD!


Happens, literally, every summer.

The Rangers can afford PLD for 2 years. Kadri for at a 8 mil cap hit for 7 years is almost impossible. Seravalli and the rest of these insiders just parrot what agents tell them and do zero homework themselves.

 

[Fitzy]

Unclear why we'd take an undesirable contract for Georgiev when we can just cut and run

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

He could fit, depending on the term he is looking for and other moves. I mentioned a Blais + Georgiev for Puljujaarvi + pick a couple of pages back. That would probably fit. We should know more once Motte signs. If Drury can get him in at, say $1.75m or below then there is space there.

In terms of why they would want to add him, he adds another versatile, big body forward who is sound at both ends of the ice. Even if he tops out as a 40 point winger, that's Lehkonen territory who is a very useful piece.

Rather just keep Blais at that point. Feels like a move to make a move

 

[SA16]

Couple of things:

I have been saying here for months that term is the RIGHT approach for teams to be taking with these solid depth role players. We saw it with Goodrow last off-season. When the cap jumps up, those contracts will look even better with their lower cap hit and the players get guaranteed money on a nice long-term deal. I am expecting Motte to get 4-5 years for the same reason. Keep the cap hit as low as possible so when the cap jumps, they look even better.

For example, a $1.9m contract at 5 years for Motte is probably a reasonable cap hit right now for him but when the cap jumps, the allowable contract to be buried may jump to $1.3-$1.5m. Worst case scenario, the team can bury him towards the end of his deal for a miniscule cap penalty and the team gets a player who fills a pretty large hole on this roster through his prime.

For Puljujaarvi, I was thinking yesterday about a Georgiev + Blais deal. Perhaps with a middle round pick back from Edmonton to even it out. It works cap wise and the Rangers RW depth would be Kaako, Puljujaarvi and Kravtsov.

Except they barely kept the cap down by going to 7 years. What did you think he would get on 3 years? 4.5M? For a guy with a high of 32 points and one season over 20? That's way out of line with what anyone similar has ever got. They probably saved 0.5M/year at most by adding on all the years.

 

[rangers1314]

Seravelli is someone who clearly has legit contacts and breaks his fair share of news.

He also has ventured out on his own and started his own site, so he's guilty of shit tossing to get clicks & page views.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Grier is Drury's assistant

 

[rangers1314]

32 thoughts:
- Friedman says watch St. Louis for McD.
- Industry belief is that there is a "path to a deal" for both Forsberg and Letang to stay in their current spots. Forsberg rumor is 8X8.5.

 

[McRanger92]

Friedman says watch St. Louis for McD.

St. Louis & LA make lots of sense for McDonagh. I doubt he waives to go to a tomato can like Jersey or Detroit