Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

[Taluss]

I don’t see how we can afford Kadri

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Are you saying the Rangers can't afford $8M for Kadri?

Blasphemy. I know.

The Rangers can afford PLD for 2 years. Kadri for at a 8 mil cap hit for 7 years is almost impossible. Seravalli and the rest of these insiders just parrot what agents tell them and do zero homework themselves.

Yeah, they probably can. But they shouldn’t.

 

[SA16]

McDonagh should have just told them he's not waiving instead of letting them spend half his salary on Nick Paul

 

[McRanger92]

Yeah, they probably can. But they shouldn’t.

On PLD? They definitely should, they need a top 6 C if they want to build on this season's success. Chytil aint it.

 

[RangersFan1994]

The Vancouver people finally realized Lundkvist is the best RD prospect available in a trade.



These people are crazy with their trade requests.

Staple and Vince have written 1,000,000 times about Lundkvist losing trade value because the Rangers didn't trade him before last season.

Staple wrote Lundkvist still has a lot of value as a trade chip. The Winnipeg guy Ken Wiebe wrote Winnipeg had Lundkvist on their trade list in the Copp trade.

The Rangers do have to move Lundkvist sooner rather than later.

I bet he is gone within a week for a first round pick. I feel Rangers want someone that is a center in this draft. As an organization center depth is important and not just with the Rangers.

 

[Trxjw]

I think Puljujarvi could easily be the next Burakovsky. A guy with pedigree who was a disappointment but does well with a change of scenery and fills a secondary role on a really good team. I don't think he'd produce the same scoring numbers but he can give you 45ish points and a great two-way game, all while being a tenacious forechecker.

Rangers just don't have the flexibility to add him. If we had more cap flexibility I'd add him, offer him a 2 year deal that takes him right up to UFA, and say he can make a couple runs with us and cash in after rebuilding value just like Nichushkin did with the Avs. He'd give you everything Fast gave you with Panarin with more skill and potential upside.

 

[NickyFotiu]

This is my ultimate goal and hope. Sign Copp/Motte/Braun/Quality 4th line vet/Backup Goalie

Trade for Patty Kane at the deadline.

Better hope Shesty wins another Vezina and CK scores another 50 because our skaters will be as average as the guys you want to sign. Looks like Edmonton is giving up on Puljujarvi. Market is reportedly a 3rd round pick. Hope we are not in a similar situation with KK soon. KK really needs to step up huge going in to his 4th season.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Grier is Drury's assistant

What a stupid priority.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

On PLD? They definitely should, they need a top 6 C if they want to build on this season's success. Chytil aint it.

Yeah, not worth moving the necessary assets to acquire him for a two year run at the cup.

 

[QJL]

Everyone see this news about Flyers goalie prospect Fedotov being detained and potentially forced to enroll in the military? He was planning to come to the NHL this summer.

If I’m not mistaken, Panarin said he was back to Russia for the summer. Not sure on Igor or Kravtsov’s current status.

Definitely a little worried…

 

[mas0764]

It's become pretty clear to me the Rangers arent looking for a long term solution at 2C. Every name we've hear linked to them is a 1 or 2 year commitment.

JT Miller - 1 year to UFA
Dubois/Scheifele - 2 years to UFA
Larkin - 1 year to UFA
Monahan (yuck) - 1 year to UFA
Malkin - short term deal
Stastny - short term deal

Couple this with basically every NYR writer parroting that the Rangers dont want to give Strome or Copp term on their deals. I have mentioned it a couple times but it seems like the NYR not being locked into a long term financial commitment is a feature, not a bug.



5 years was a long time, people forgot what a good team looked like I guess

Given that we are trying to scrape by until we can get out from the bad Trouba and Kreider deals, that makes sense, but you also can't pay high end assets like Lundkvist for the privilege of those rentals.

Just sign Stastny or Malkin and go.

 

[RangersFan1994]

What is Puljujaarvi's next contract going to look like? I'm curious because I truly think he would fit in well in NY...

Another finesse player that is not physical. Rangers have enough of those. No thanks. Too many issues. NHL version of Kravtsov in the sense he cant decided if he wants to stay or go

 

[McRanger92]

Yeah, not worth moving the necessary assets to acquire him for a two year run at the cup.

Why not? Most contenders make player+prospect+pick trades when their window is open. We dont have enough spots for these prospects anyway.

 

[SA16]

Another finesse player that is not physical. Rangers have enough of those. No thanks. Too many issues. NHL version of Kravtsov in the sense he cant decided if he wants to stay or go

He is physical and he's not a finesse player.

 

[mas0764]

Lafreniere is 20, Kakko is 21, Schneider is 20, Chytil's veteran ass is somehow 22.

We still have Kravtsov, Cuylle, Berard, Othmann, Jones, Robertson, Lundkvist, and Korczak.

At a certain point, how many assets do you need to hoard?

I think you want to keep the pipeline fresh and not completely cut it off by trading pick after pick, but you also don't want to be the Yankees who probably cost themselves a World Series hugging prospects who never made the team.

Hoarding assets isn't the issue so much, ie, no one really complains if the suggestion is to liquidate Lundvist, Jones or Robertson for a center.

The issue is that we need another top 6 center for that group of names besides just Chytil.

 

[McRanger92]

Given that we are trying to scrape by until we can get out from the bad Trouba and Kreider deals, that makes sense, but you also can't pay high end assets like Lundkvist for the privilege of those rentals.

Just sign Stastny or Malkin and go.

How is Kreider's contract a bad deal? He would've made a million more AAV on the open market when it was signed. If he ws a UFA this year he'd get 8+ easily.

 

[mas0764]

Why not? Most contenders make player+prospect+pick trades when their window is open. We dont have enough spots for these prospects anyway.

Which ones don't we have room for?

 

[McRanger92]

Hoarding assets isn't the issue so much, ie, no one really complains if the suggestion is to liquidate Lundvist, Jones or Robertson for a center.

The issue is that we need another top 6 center for that group of names besides just Chytil.

The problem is that Chytil isnt a top 6 center.

 

[mas0764]

How is Kreider's contract a bad deal? He would've made a million more AAV on the open market when it was signed. If he ws a UFA this year he'd get 8+ easily.

It's bad for us in that it would be great to be able to move him so we can sign a damn center, but it's unmoveable.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Said a while ago I think Kadri and NYR are a seamless fit. Looks to be some smoke around that now. He's a player who loves the spotlight and would be surrounded with skilled players in that top 6.

I would love Kadri on this team. please get it done if possible. he agitates and provides a physical in your face game. Good player and fun to watch.

 

[mas0764]

The problem is that Chytil isnt a top 6 center.

The problem is that he hasn't cemented himself thus and may never will, true. I don't think it's a guarantee but I've long suggested he might be better on the wring.

Panarin Zibanejad Kakko
Lafreniere ________ Kravtsov
Othmann ________ Chytil

Just get me two young centers.

Lundkvist can get you one. Wish I could trade Kreider.

 

[Trxjw]

Another finesse player that is not physical. Rangers have enough of those. No thanks. Too many issues. NHL version of Kravtsov in the sense he cant decided if he wants to stay or go

This is a good example of not knowing wtf you're talking about.

 

[McRanger92]

I would love Kadri on this team. please get it done if possible. he agitates and provides a physical in your face game. Good player and fun to watch.

He is a good player and great stylistic fit at 2C but he will be 32 next October and youd need to probably move Chytil and/or Kakko in separate deals just to fit him. Sounds like his agent leaking to Frank that NYR are in the mix to drive the price up

 

[Go Rangers]

Personally, I think the "youngest team in the playoffs" line is a bit overstated, because of how players were actually utilized and where the NYR relied on for production - specifically among the forwards. Miller-Fox-Igor absolutely fit the bill of a young elite core that should provide optimism for the future.

The forward group, specifically the forwards that are given the majority of ice time including PP time...not so much. All you brought up was what those players did THIS run. I am talking about the run after this one, and then the run after that. I don't know how you win a Cup today without an elite forward group and I'm not convinced this wasn't the peak for the NYR forward group due to impact-weighted age and cap commitments.


My anxiety is based on observing that the best teams in the league over the last 15 years or so have had a few things in common.

Most notably a homegrown core that they keep together for as long as possible to provide as many “kicks at the cans” as possible.

This makes sense because in the NHL, in any one given year due to injuries, puck luck, refs, etc. winning the Cup is a crapshoot.

Caps, Blues, Tampa, Avs cores were in place for years before they won a Cup to varying degrees.

But they built a core around their young talent, developed and added to it over a long period of time, and then reaped the rewards of this process.

The NYR are constantly attempting to cheat this process in various ways with predictable results. Building around short windows because all of your cap space is tied up on veterans right at the exact peak of their careers or slightly past it is not a sustainable approach to team building.

The lessons for successful teams are so clear but it emphasizes that at the end of the day the NYR are an entertainment product, nothing more to it than that.

Dolan wants playoff revenue.