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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

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Anthony5967 said:
Bingo with the Yanks. That’s sports. Look at the guys like Laf, Chytil, Kakko, they had all to do to get top-9 mins. Drury knows this. He’s going to make some good moves, I know it.


Goodrow was hurt bad, Blais would’ve helped in this regard. Rangers have the guys to play that way.
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It’s like when Wilson went nuts but Trouba and Lindgren were out that game . This teams has plenty of grit
 
Anthony5967 said:
It isn’t, people just wanted a rebuild of a decade like Buffalo and New Jersey, stockpile EA NHL like can’t miss prospects and then wall-ah, it’s that easy, winning multiple Cups! Fact of the matter is Dolan, if anything, was right. Gorton and Davidson stood there years saying we had to be tougher to play against, iced the softest roster the rest of the league took advantage of and laughed at, while also decapitating the biggest superstar the team has had since Jagr, and then when Dolan and the fans flipped, Gorton and Davidson tried distancing themselves from the letter and quit. I’m sure that sat well with some guys out there that night. Drury comes in, they’re competitive, hires Gallant, the window has opened and for the better. The kids got a dream run of experience. I seriously don’t get what people want. I think it’s just the bi-polar New York sports fans. When you have Panarin, Kreider, Z, Trouba, a franchise goalie that’s only a year younger than Vasi and signed cheap for three more years, you don’t sit here and continue to rebuild or drag your feet. They have a strong core and a plethora of prospects still in the system. They are set up fine.
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Let’s revisit in 2024. This is looking like all in on a 1-3 year window built around the current veteran core of the team, which to me seems beyond foolish.
 
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bbny said:
The Yankees are such a great example. Clint Frazier wasted away and they got nothing for him. It probably ruined his career. Miguel Andujar was second in ROY voting when he exploded his rookie season. Got a bit derailed by injuries, but the Yankees never gave him much opportunity after that and they basically have refused to trade him. Both these guys used to have pretty high trade value that whittled down to nothing.

Drury needs to start narrowing down the list. If they aren’t making the team or don’t really have a realistic path (prime example: Lundkvist) to making the team, cash in the ticket because it’s not going to get more valuable if they aren’t playing in the NHL. Even if it’s for picks to get more future ELC contracts in the pipeline.
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They still don't f***ing play Andujar and he would probably be their second best all-around offensive player behind Judge.

But you either have to defend or hit 40 homers. Cashman isn't interested in a DH that hits .300. Contact bad.
 
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Anthony5967 said:
Bingo with the Yanks. That’s sports. Look at the guys like Laf, Chytil, Kakko, they had all to do to get top-9 mins. Drury knows this. He’s going to make some good moves, I know it.


Goodrow was hurt bad, Blais would’ve helped in this regard. Rangers have the guys to play that way.
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I partially agree with exception to speed but to your point Goodrow was playing on one leg but he also seemed a step slower all year so I wonder if he was playing with a nagging injury.

Blais coming off the second major knee injury is going to be a question mark until we see him in game. Even a step slower he will be much better than Rooney MckEgg or Reavo.
 
Machinehead said:
They still don't f***ing play Andujar and he would probably be their second best all-around offensive player behind Judge.

But you either have to defend or hit 40 homers. Cashman isn't interested in a DH that hits .300. Contact bad.
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I come to places like this to try to forget that he's down in Scranton hitting the cover of the ball and playing a passable LF while Joey Gallo goes 0-25.

This WAS as safe space for me. No longer.
 
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McRanger92 said:
How is this the takeaway from this past year? We finished 3rd in the league!
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What did you see from Panarin, Kreider, and Trouba in the playoffs that makes you think that over the course of the next 2-3 years, having $26M+ of cap space committed to them will make the NYR more likely to beat the top 2-3 teams in the league and actually win a Cup?

That is the elephant in the room. And if the cap doesn't go up until 2025, not only will it be a poor investment but it will probably also cost the NYR at least 1 young player that is actually on the upswing of their careers.
 
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HatTrick Swayze said:
What did you see from Panarin, Kreider, and Trouba in the playoffs that makes you think that over the course of the next 2-3 years, having $26M+ of cap space committed to them will make the NYR more likely to beat the top 2-3 teams in the league and actually win a Cup?

That is the elephant in the room. And if the cap doesn't go up until 2025, not only will it be a poor investment but it will probably also cost the NYR at least 1 young player that is actually on the upswing of their careers.
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Because we dont get to 2 wins away from the Cup Final without them. Kreider led us in goals, including 3 in G 6 & 7 against PIT and 2 in G7 in CAR while needing wrist surgery. Trouba had his gaffes, but also changed the momentum of the series' they won with bone crunching hits. And Panarin needs to be better, but he still made his mark on the PP and with a Game 7 OT goal.

We were the youngest team in the playoffs, hadnt been in them since 2017 and still had a shot to win it all in our first year back. The team around them will improve with experience and I hate to break it to you, but no matter what we are going to lose multiple young players due to the cap in the coming years. Its the NHL, no team is immune.

People need to stop being paralyzed in fear by the cap and potentially losing some of these young guys, who by and large have contributed very little despite brief flashes. This is a great time to be a Rangers fan, so the anxiety around these parts is pretty shocking to me.
 
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Regarding Poolparty, I'm not buying it that he's going to be anything more than a 3rd liner for us much in the same way he was a 3rd liner for Edmonton.

Unless the cost to acquire is cheap (Georgiev) and his salary is a million less than Goodrow on a 4 year term, I'm not interested.
 
McRanger92 said:
Because we dont get to 2 wins away from the Cup Final without them. Kreider led us in goals, including 3 in G 6 & 7 against PIT and 2 in G7 in CAR while needing wrist surgery. Trouba had his gaffes, but also changed the momentum of the series' they won with bone crunching hits. And Panarin needs to be better, but he still made his mark on the PP and with a Game 7 OT goal.

We were the youngest team in the playoffs, hadnt been in them since 2017 and still had a shot to win it all in our first year back. The team around them will improve with experience and I hate to break it to you, but no matter what we are going to lose multiple young players due to the cap in the coming years. Its the NHL, no team is immune.

People need to stop being paralyzed in fear by the cap and potentially losing some of these young guys, who by and large have contributed very little despite brief flashes. This is a great time to be a Rangers fan, so the anxiety around these parts is pretty shocking to me.
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Personally, I think the "youngest team in the playoffs" line is a bit overstated, because of how players were actually utilized and where the NYR relied on for production - specifically among the forwards. Miller-Fox-Igor absolutely fit the bill of a young elite core that should provide optimism for the future.

The forward group, specifically the forwards that are given the majority of ice time including PP time...not so much. All you brought up was what those players did THIS run. I am talking about the run after this one, and then the run after that. I don't know how you win a Cup today without an elite forward group and I'm not convinced this wasn't the peak for the NYR forward group due to impact-weighted age and cap commitments.


My anxiety is based on observing that the best teams in the league over the last 15 years or so have had a few things in common.

Most notably a homegrown core that they keep together for as long as possible to provide as many “kicks at the cans” as possible.

This makes sense because in the NHL, in any one given year due to injuries, puck luck, refs, etc. winning the Cup is a crapshoot.

Caps, Blues, Tampa, Avs cores were in place for years before they won a Cup to varying degrees.

But they built a core around their young talent, developed and added to it over a long period of time, and then reaped the rewards of this process.

The NYR are constantly attempting to cheat this process in various ways with predictable results. Building around short windows because all of your cap space is tied up on veterans right at the exact peak of their careers or slightly past it is not a sustainable approach to team building.

The lessons for successful teams are so clear but it emphasizes that at the end of the day the NYR are an entertainment product, nothing more to it than that.
 
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Couple of things:

I have been saying here for months that term is the RIGHT approach for teams to be taking with these solid depth role players. We saw it with Goodrow last off-season. When the cap jumps up, those contracts will look even better with their lower cap hit and the players get guaranteed money on a nice long-term deal. I am expecting Motte to get 4-5 years for the same reason. Keep the cap hit as low as possible so when the cap jumps, they look even better.

For example, a $1.9m contract at 5 years for Motte is probably a reasonable cap hit right now for him but when the cap jumps, the allowable contract to be buried may jump to $1.3-$1.5m. Worst case scenario, the team can bury him towards the end of his deal for a miniscule cap penalty and the team gets a player who fills a pretty large hole on this roster through his prime.

For Puljujaarvi, I was thinking yesterday about a Georgiev + Blais deal. Perhaps with a middle round pick back from Edmonton to even it out. It works cap wise and the Rangers RW depth would be Kaako, Puljujaarvi and Kravtsov.
 
Boris Zubov said:
So last night I was having dinner with some friends & I got this from another friend of mine at around 1030pm. I was drinking & involved in conversation so I didn't look at it's validity til this morning. Obviously it's fake or was misreported, but did anyone else see this & was it discussed anywhere?
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There have been rumors that we're interested in PLD/have been talking to WPG about him/etc.
 
Boris Zubov said:
That much I knew, but to post a confirmed deal & then delete without a peep seems odd.

I thought Pagnotta had come credibility. Guess not.
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It's a fake account. There are a bunch of Pagnotta fakes. This one still has the tweets up that you posted; that handle of the account spells "Period" as "Peri0d" which is the giveaway. Also it has 85 followers, LOL.

EDIT: It also says "parody account" in the bio.
 
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