Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

[Machinehead]

For these results, bringing back Rooney would be cheaper.

 

[Anthony5967]

I think people don’t understand that chytil was going up against teams third pair defenseman. If he plays on the second line next year there is a chance he plays against first or second pair defenseman and better forwards.

That’s simply false and a lazy narrative people keep using to support that bs. Two instances I can remember goals not against the third pair. Laf picks off DeAngelo as they go 3-1 the other way and score in Carolina. Kakko from behind the net where Chytil is in the slot near Cernak. How about the Kakko back door deflection? Hedman is out there. People need to open their eyes.

 

[2014nyr]

First of all, Cam Atkinson is a winger. Second, Atkinson loves Torts. He gave the Flyers a great recommendation in favor of the Flyers hiring Torts.

alright alright calm your farm... thought a thought thinking about fallback options out there that could work while half asleep waiting on some futures markets....and yea it wasnt what youd call a great one, oh well

 

[rangers1314]

San Jose also let go of their assistant coaches, John Madden and Rocky Thompson.

Madden was an assistant with Gallant for 2 seasons in Florida.

 

[NYR Viper]

What is Puljujaarvi's next contract going to look like? I'm curious because I truly think he would fit in well in NY...

 

[Anthony5967]

How are they mediocre? Did one of the best records in the week this year and they just went to the conference finals. That's not mediocre.

It isn’t, people just wanted a rebuild of a decade like Buffalo and New Jersey, stockpile EA NHL like can’t miss prospects and then wall-ah, it’s that easy, winning multiple Cups! Fact of the matter is Dolan, if anything, was right. Gorton and Davidson stood there years saying we had to be tougher to play against, iced the softest roster the rest of the league took advantage of and laughed at, while also decapitating the biggest superstar the team has had since Jagr, and then when Dolan and the fans flipped, Gorton and Davidson tried distancing themselves from the letter and quit. I’m sure that sat well with some guys out there that night. Drury comes in, they’re competitive, hires Gallant, the window has opened and for the better. The kids got a dream run of experience. I seriously don’t get what people want. I think it’s just the bi-polar New York sports fans. When you have Panarin, Kreider, Z, Trouba, a franchise goalie that’s only a year younger than Vasi and signed cheap for three more years, you don’t sit here and continue to rebuild or drag your feet. They have a strong core and a plethora of prospects still in the system. They are set up fine.

 

[JimmyG89]

What is Puljujaarvi's next contract going to look like? I'm curious because I truly think he would fit in well in NY...

Probably between 2.5M-3M AAV over his two RFA years left. If he goes to arbitration, it is probably either 3M or 3.5M on a 1 year deal.

Anything longer and you start going in to his UFA years and he'd be looking for an AAV in the 4s maybe.

 

[GAGLine]

It isn’t, people just wanted a rebuild of a decade like Buffalo and New Jersey, stockpile EA NHL like can’t miss prospects and then wall-ah, it’s that easy, winning multiple Cups!

No one wanted that. Personally, I want to be good for a long time. Trading away youth at the beginning of our window in a desperate attempt to win now will not achieve that goal. Yeah, we might win a cup. We also might not. And either way, the team will get progressively worse as we keep chasing the dragon.

There's only so much cap space and so many prospects and picks. It's better to make no move than to make the wrong move.

 

[Machinehead]

Why are we spending so much time talking about Jesse Puljujaarvi? We dont need another wing and Kakko plays the same way as him.

Yeah, just came in to say this.

We already have Puljujarvi, he just doesn't play enough. And that's not lazy analysis because they're both Finnish. They're both big, versatile, shutdown wingers who excel on the boards. Draymond Green types if you will.

I'm not against Puljujarvi at all and having both is fine, actually, if the money/assets work. I'm just saying play Kakko more and then cross the bridge of guys who aren't already here.

 

[McRanger92]

No one wanted that. Personally, I want to be good for a long time. Trading away youth at the beginning of our window in a desperate attempt to win now will not achieve that goal. Yeah, we might win a cup. We also might not. And either way, the team will get progressively worse as we keep chasing the dragon.

There's only so much cap space and so many prospects and picks. It's better to make no move than to make the wrong move.

Prospects and picks aren't going to get the Rangers a Cup, the guys who are on the roster right now will.

 

[GAGLine]

Prospects and picks aren't going to get the Rangers a Cup, the guys who are on the roster right now will.

In your myopic view, yes.

Should Colorado have traded Byram and Newhook? Amazing that they somehow won with those rookies.

 

[Anthony5967]

No one wanted that. Personally, I want to be good for a long time. Trading away youth at the beginning of our window in a desperate attempt to win now will not achieve that goal. Yeah, we might win a cup. We also might not. And either way, the team will get progressively worse as we keep chasing the dragon.

There's only so much cap space and so many prospects and picks. It's better to make no move than to make the wrong move.

What is Drury doing that supports that though? It’s hard to be good for a long time. I mean, they are set up to be as long as they draft well.

7 years, $3M+ for Nick Paul? Damn. So Goodrow isn’t overpaid? “Good deal for Tampa.” Yet last summer Rangers were laughed at for Goodrow.

 

[rangers1314]

Paul extension in TB is 7 years/3M AAV. He's 27.

No word on trade protection/money structure yet.

 

[Machinehead]

Lafreniere is 20, Kakko is 21, Schneider is 20, Chytil's veteran ass is somehow 22.

We still have Kravtsov, Cuylle, Berard, Othmann, Jones, Robertson, Lundkvist, and Korczak.

At a certain point, how many assets do you need to hoard?

I think you want to keep the pipeline fresh and not completely cut it off by trading pick after pick, but you also don't want to be the Yankees who probably cost themselves a World Series hugging prospects who never made the team.

 

[bbny]

Yeah, just came in to say this.

We already have Puljujarvi, he just doesn't play enough. And that's not lazy analysis because they're both Finnish. They're both big, versatile, shutdown wingers who excel on the boards. Draymond Green types if you will.

I'm not against Puljujarvi at all and having both is fine, actually, if the money/assets work. I'm just saying play Kakko more and then cross the bridge of guys who aren't already here.

Wow. What a lazy analysis just because they’re both Finnish bro.

 

[Vitto79]

Lafreniere is 20, Kakko is 21, Schneider is 20, Chytil's veteran ass is somehow 22.

We still have Kravtsov, Cuylle, Berard, Othmann, Jones, Robertson, Lundkvist, and Korczak.

At a certain point, how many assets do you need to hoard?

I think you want to keep the pipeline fresh and not completely cut it off by trading pick after pick, but you also don't want to be the Yankees who probably cost themselves a World Series hugging prospects who never made the team.

Likely right . I’m prepared to lose some of the prospects

Paul extension in TB is 7 years/3M AAV. He's 27.

No word on trade protection/money structure yet.

I was like woah but then realized Copp may get the same term to keep the AAV lower

 

[SA16]

What is Drury doing that supports that though? It’s hard to be good for a long time. I mean, they are set up to be as long as they draft well.

7 years, $3M+ for Nick Paul? Damn. So Goodrow isn’t overpaid? “Good deal for Tampa.” Yet last summer Rangers were laughed at for Goodrow.

Both deals are worth laughing at. The Paul one is probably worse though,

 

[Irishguy42]

Paul extension in TB is 7 years/3M AAV. He's 27.

No word on trade protection/money structure yet.

Worse than the Goodrow deal, which was already not great.

 

[rangers1314]

Both deals are worth laughing at. The Paul one is probably worse though,

Eh, we'll see. Paul is a hell of a player and fit in perfectly with that team.

Big unknown right now is trade protection and money structure.

 

[bbny]

Lafreniere is 20, Kakko is 21, Schneider is 20, Chytil's veteran ass is somehow 22.

We still have Kravtsov, Cuylle, Berard, Othmann, Jones, Robertson, Lundkvist, and Korczak.

At a certain point, how many assets do you need to hoard?

I think you want to keep the pipeline fresh and not completely cut it off by trading pick after pick, but you also don't want to be the Yankees who probably cost themselves a World Series hugging prospects who never made the team.

The Yankees are such a great example. Clint Frazier wasted away and they got nothing for him. It probably ruined his career. Miguel Andujar was second in ROY voting when he exploded his rookie season. Got a bit derailed by injuries, but the Yankees never gave him much opportunity after that and they basically have refused to trade him. Both these guys used to have pretty high trade value that whittled down to nothing.

Drury needs to start narrowing down the list. If they aren’t making the team or don’t really have a realistic path (prime example: Lundkvist) to making the team, cash in the ticket because it’s not going to get more valuable if they aren’t playing in the NHL. Even if it’s for picks to get more future ELC contracts in the pipeline.

 

[GAGLine]

What is Drury doing that supports that though? It’s hard to be good for a long time. I mean, they are set up to be as long as they draft well.

I'm not trying to defend Drury. I don't know which way he plans to go. But they can't draft well if they don't have draft picks, and even if they do, it doesn't matter if they then trade those prospects away.

I'm not saying we shouldn't trade any of those assets in order to make the current team better, but there has to be a balance. We need to show some patience and not throw away everything we've built by going for it in the short term. We've got 9 picks over the next 2 drafts, and 3 of those are in round 6, so there's not much draft capital there to keep the pipeline stocked.

 

[Raspewtin]

I think people don’t understand that chytil was going up against teams third pair defenseman. If he plays on the second line next year there is a chance he plays against first or second pair defenseman and better forwards.

I think you don't understand that "matchups" are mostly bunk since the majority of shifts are on the fly and the game is very fluid.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

In your myopic view, yes.

Should Colorado have traded Byram and Newhook? Amazing that they somehow won with those rookies.

It's really funny how all the talk now is how the Avs won the cup through the draft starting in 2012 with Landeskog. They got Byram's pick from the Duchene trade.

The top end of the team was built through the draft and trades to tweak their problems (depth scoring) and supplemented that depth through vet minimums or ELCs that fit the style they wanted -- fast aggressive forecheck.

That's the style Turk wants but our bottom 6 doesn't support that to compliment our stars. Motte and Laf ended up being the best in the bottom 2 lines of playing that style.

 

[Anthony5967]

The Yankees are such a great example. Clint Frazier wasted away and they got nothing for him. It probably ruined his career. Miguel Andujar was second in ROY voting when he exploded his rookie season. Got a bit derailed by injuries, but the Yankees never gave him much opportunity after that and they basically have refused to trade him. Both these guys used to have pretty high trade value that whittled down to nothing.

Drury needs to start narrowing down the list. If they aren’t making the team or don’t really have a realistic path (prime example: Lundkvist) to making the team, cash in the ticket because it’s not going to get more valuable if they aren’t playing in the NHL. Even if it’s for picks to get more future ELC contracts in the pipeline.

Bingo with the Yanks. That’s sports. Look at the guys like Laf, Chytil, Kakko, they had all to do to get top-9 mins. Drury knows this. He’s going to make some good moves, I know it.

It's really funny how all the talk now is how the Avs won the cup through the draft starting in 2012 with Landeskog. They got Byram's pick from the Duchene trade.

The top end of the team was built through the draft and trades to tweak their problems (depth scoring) and supplemented that depth through vet minimums or ELCs that fit the style they wanted -- fast aggressive forecheck.

That's the style Turk wants but our bottom 6 doesn't support that to compliment our stars. Motte and Laf ended up being the best in the bottom 2 lines of playing that style.

Goodrow was hurt bad, Blais would’ve helped in this regard. Rangers have the guys to play that way.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I want him gone yesterday, but I mean, the alternative is that he gets his shit together and like fetch us a bit of a bounty.

And yet he played through the trade request. Didnt leave the team.
He does better when he gets starters reps. He wants to earn the starters spot and he did what we asked of him.
Keeping him would be a terrible look across the league for us.
We bitched about kratsov so much "asking out and then leaving"
Geo didnt do that in the slightest.
Its extremely hypocritcal to say "well his value is so low now that we should ignore his trade request until he plays better".
No, we keep our word, move him or let him walk.