Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

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Money is also an issue. Brooks has mentioned that on more than occasion. The Rangers have a specific number and Strome wants more than what the Rangers have budgeted for that spot. Staple wrote Drury wants to stop giving out NTC's.

Good, god i cant seriously see how we can still want strome anywhere near this team.

Agreed, drury and other gms need to stop handing out NTC's to players who are not upper echlion. This league has gotten ridiculous with these M-NTC, NTC, NMC, all that bullshit. Only top tier players should be getting those types of deals.
 
I have a feeling this ends with a trade for Dubois unless Copp or Strome take a significant discount.

I really don’t see a scenario where any team is going to pay either of those guys anything above 6 million in a flat cap world. None of the contenders have cap space to spend on the second tier of free agents like we normally see.
 
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Well Strome is not the guy who you hand out any NTC's for.

I really really hope that strome is off this f***ing team by the summer.
Any? Regardless of where he goes, he will get some level of protection.

This is what happens when you give trade protection to UFA 3rd pairing Dmen. Everyone is then justified to expect it.
 
I have a feeling this ends with a trade for Dubois unless Copp or Strome take a significant discount.

I really don’t see a scenario where any team is going to pay either of those guys anything above 6 million in a flat cap world. None of the contenders have cap space to spend on the second tier of free agents like we normally see.
How much is Dubois making next season and for the next two seasons?



12. Alexandar Georgiev
Goaltender, New York Rangers
Age: 26
Stats: 33 GP, 2.92 GAA, .898 Sv%
Contract: Pending RFA, Arbitration Eligible
Scoop: The Bulgarian Blocker was prominently featured on our Trade Targets board last summer, and even before the trade deadline, because he is unlikely to return as a Ranger. He is due a qualifying offer of $2.65 million and given that Igor Shesterkin is the new King of New York, that’s probably more than they need to devote to a backup goaltender. The difficulty in moving him is the Rangers’ ask has been high. They originally asked for a first-round pick last summer, but Alex Nedeljkovic going to Detroit for a third-round pick (with better numbers, albeit a shorter tracker record) gives a better indication of a likely return.

Drury gets a 3rd for Georgiev's rights?
 
Chytil is a 3c, expecting him to be more than that is fools gold.
He's 22 years old. To but a ceiling of 3c on him right now is down right idiotic. Could he get better, absolutely, will he.......time will tell, but I for one would bank on him getting better and better over the next 3 years. I wouldn't cut bait on him just yet. Especially with this organization being very thin on centers
 
How much is Dubois making next season and for the next two seasons?





Drury gets a 3rd for Georgiev's rights?


If we got a 3rd for Georgiev’s rights, I’d take it and run.

And on Dubois, I’m not saying I necessarily agree with the move but it’s one they could make if the stars align for us to fit the player in on a deal that make sense and the cost to acquire excludes Kakko.

Dubois has informed WPG he does not intend on extending and will test UFA if not moved. That puts the Jets in a tough spot. They have to qualify the player tomorrow. If Dubois and his agent were smart, they’d accept the qualifying offer of 6.65m for one year and force WPG into a situation where they have to qualify him AGAIN next summer at a higher number that walks him right to UFA or find a trade for him at a lower value when teams know he may only be a 1 year rental. The alternative is losing him for nothing if they don’t qualify.

Clock is ticking for them to move him sooner rather than later
 
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2021 Chytil - 10.51 on ice shooting percentage. Next best in his career is 7.51
2021 Chytil - 81.5 Individual Points Percentage. Next best in his career is 68.9%. (That is ~McDavid level)
2021 Chytil - 0.71 secondary assists/60. Next best in his career was 0.38 (this past year)

A lot of pucks were going on with him on the ice, even if he wasn't the one taking the shot, and he was involved in on way more of them than normal.

You're also looking at the wrong year. His individual sh% in 2020-2021 was 10.5%. This past year was 5.9%.
I'm not sure what you're saying.

I don't have the wrong year. I said "last year, Chytil's shooting % was 5.9." I said his combined Sh% for the previous three seasons ranged from 8.3-12.3. Seems to me 5.9 is the outlier number there. His 2020-21 shooting % wasn't even the highest of his career. I would expect with more usage and ice time, and more confidence from his playoff run, he would take more shots, and his shooting % would return to the 8.3-12.3 range. If he shoots 10% and takes 200 shots, that's 20 goals...can't take 200 shots without ice time.

You are acting like his 2020-21 season had these outlier numbers, I just don't see what you're referring to here. Seems to me the player took a step forward in 2020-21, then took a step back in 2021-22 and battled injuries/deployment/ice time issues in 21-22. He had 8 goals and 14 assists in 40 games in 20-21 and you're saying his numbers showed him at McDavid level....that wasn't even the highest shooting percentage of his career. He shot 10.5% in 2020-21, but in 19-20 shot 12.3% (14g on 114 shots). What #s are you looking at?
 
Any? Regardless of where he goes, he will get some level of protection.

This is what happens when you give trade protection to UFA 3rd pairing Dmen. Everyone is then justified to expect it.

True but if you continue the trend you are only feeding into that. Stop the trend now, Who cares if strome gets pissed off and wants out. Good, cant see how we would even want him back anyway.
 
I just don't know if I really buy into the PDL smoke.

The word has always been he wants to go home to MTL and play. Would Drury really pony up just to get him on a 2 year deal to watch him bolt in 24 months?
What has happened since Drury took over that makes us think he's prioritizing the long-term?

I do believe that they're trying to create a buzz about other targets so the in-house options will take less. But I absolutely think he wouldn't balk at an opportunity because the player would only be here for two years.
 
Chris Johnston says that Seattle was in on Fiala until the end. They will be aggressive this summer.

Could Chicago get 4OA out of them in a Cat deal?

What has happened since Drury took over that makes us think he's prioritizing the long-term?

I do believe that they're trying to create a buzz about other targets so the in-house options will take less. But I absolutely think he wouldn't balk at an opportunity because the player would only be here for two years.
I guess I'm just hoping against hope that he isn't willing to shoot his entire load on stopgaps.

I was more so hoping we'd see some Drouin/Sergachev equivalent deals from us when it came to our kids.
 
I think the Nets will take our next 3 first round picks, Nemeth's contract, Chytil, Kakko, and Othmann for Durant. I say we do it.
 
Chytil is a 3c, expecting him to be more than that is fools gold.
Over the past two seasons Filip Chytil has trailed only Zibanejad, Buch and Panarain in 5 v 5 production. (Minimum 30 games played). He has a 1.94 points/60 ev. strength. He is hitting his stride. I fully expect him to thrive as a 2c next season.

Excited to see him develop into the player he was projected at draft day.
 
What has happened since Drury took over that makes us think he's prioritizing the long-term?

I do believe that they're trying to create a buzz about other targets so the in-house options will take less. But I absolutely think he wouldn't balk at an opportunity because the player would only be here for two years.
Maybe not prioritize, but he isn't mortgaging it. He didn't roll over on the JT Miller deal and that was reported on and on about.
 
I transcribed Elliotte Friedman's comments on Malkin word-for word:

"I think, you know, like, I'll, like, who's gonna, who's gonna sw..., the one team I'm really curious about on a short-term kinda thing is, um... [reflects inwardly for 45 seconds] I would wonder if the Rangers would try something."

It really felt like he didn't know where the sentence was going when he started it. I'm slapping a [SPECULATION] tag on this one.
What do you mean, seems like he's very sure of himself here.
 
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If Chytil was better on faceoffs he would not get more ice time and would not take many more per game. For him to do either of those things would require him to play higher than the third line, play on the PK, or have a more important PP role. There is almost zero correlation between FO% and TOI at 5v5 among players with 200 faceoffs taken. Oddly enough, it actually was a marginally indirect correlation this year. In fact, the group of players under 45% FO% averaged more 5v5 ice time than the group of players above 55%.

All of Hayes, Thompson, Stutzle, Barbashev, Mercer, Hughes, Dach had FO% of 42.2% or lower at 5v5. They all played at least 13.4 mins (Chytil 11.7). 13.4 mins at 5v5 is more than Bergeron, J. Staal, Toews, Carter, (0.1 less than ROR), Barkov, Dvorak all of whom were 55% or better.

The "Strong Side" draw thing is one of the biggest galaxy brain things coaches do. They'll have a far inferior player take the draw just because he'll win it to the boards instead of the middle. All this does is cause the team to lose the draw more often.
the players you just sited are almost all on horrible teams that are force feeding minutes to players and not getting positive team results. they are not comparable to nyr or any other team that is actively striving for playoff success. nj, chi, ott are either simply hoping to get to the playoffs or hoping to not be out of the race by christmas. very poor comparables.

your point about the other players you listed playing less 5v5 is correct because they DO play special teams. chytil isnt going to get high level special teams ice time here. he doesnt kill penalties and this team is committed to a pp1 unit that will always take the majority of the ice time (and whats the point of putting chytil out for an offensive zone pp faceoff that he is just going to lose and waste 20 seconds after the puck is shot down the ice?). INFACT since he isn't a special teams player that means he should be one of the first options 5v5 after a pp or pk since out pp1 uses players from both top lines and our pk uses players from the 1st, 2nd, and 4th lines, yet they still avoid using him much at 5v5 for play starts. (pssss, part of it is they dont want to keep chasing the play after he loses a faceoff).

A better stat to use would be total faceoffs taken compared to ice time by our centers which is reflective of the coaches trust in them taking the draw, here are total faceoffs taken this year:
1338 mika
818 strome
311 chytil
404 rooney
741 goodrow
131 copp in 16 games

i am not wasting the time to do all the calulations, but we all know the approx ice time for these players, and now looking at those numbers there is no way you can suggest that his lack of fo ability isn't impacting his 5v5 ice time. based on his ice time compared to the number of faceoffs he was assigned to take demonstrates the majority of his 5v5 icetime would come off in play line changes.

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I did waste the time to do the calculation of faceoffs taken per minute of ice time and it supports my argument as seen below with one massive outlier at the low-end, guess who it is!!!

.84 zib
.60 strome
.35 chytil
.56 goodrow
.48 rooney
.48 copp

i am not advocating for the strong side faceoff nonsense, i think it is idiotic, BUT that doesnt change the fact nhl coaches buy into it and are deploying as such.

you can argue against deployment strategies, that is a different argument than this, my argument is based on what is actually happening from the people in charge, not necessarily what should be happening.
 
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This is how you know these insiders are out of touch with the Rangers. Vince and others have literally said he is done with the team. They cannot afford him.

Marek is saying they want a player and a high pick lol. Maybe a team will fork over a pick for him to get his rights. I'd expect that pick to be nothing better than a 4th.


This was not something I expected to read today or any other day for that matter... "a player & a high pick for Geogiev" :laugh:

Not sure they could be any more out to lunch on this.
 
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