Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

[Machinehead]

I'm optimistic about how this team is going to come out and perform next season. NYR sort of limped through the regular season to a cup final in 2014, won the President's trophy the next season.

With all cylinders firing, I don't see why this team won't be substantially improved at 5 on 5 next season. The kids have improved, Miller only gets better, and an insertion of Jones (Or, perhaps, Kravtsov?) could really help

I don't fully buy the idea that the team isn't going to play hard because they're just okay letting Shesty steal games. That flew for part of this season but this roster thinks it's good now.

Well, let me clarify.

I certainly agree that the talent is there to play crisper even strength hockey. We could argue how the cap affects that down the road when Igor's contract does come up, but that's later. Right now he's signed, and in that window, the talent is there and should remain there to a sufficient level. Which adds to the frustration of the team being fundamentally poor for long stretches.

And I certainly don't mean to imply that they're not playing hard. This team actually has some set of bollocks imo. It's more of a style. You're naturally a bit more loose, a bit more firewagon, a bit more fastbreak when you know you're gonna get saves. That can be good. Some teams need the confidence of a great goaltender to reach their potential.

Run and gun, cheat towards the rush teams have won the Cup. Chicago three times, Pittsburgh twice, Washington; Tampa can do it given the context. Colorado shut it down when they had to but nobody will accuse them of being the '03 Devils in most games.

It's a balancing act. Sometimes I just think we need to move the needle more towards fundamentals or at least be able to in a given matchup. The best hockey I've ever seen this team play was early AV where they learned under Torts and were fundamentally a good hockey team, and all of a sudden got a bunch more freedom to try and score. Then it went too much in that direction. I don't know if the vets that became vets under AV ever got out of that up and down the ice mindset.

My concern with the goaltending is that it takes you out of having to be sound and disciplined to win 45, 50 games. That can also be good. You get worn down having battles of attrition against the f***ing Ducks in January. I'd rather win that game because Panarin had four silly assists and nobody got hit. I just don't know if they can turn that on if they have to. "Hank/Igor will pick us up" permeates the style that we learn for essentially the 82 warmup games. It infects us. It always has. It takes us out of the ability to turn it back.

Granted, Drury hasn't been the leadership the whole 16 years, not even a fraction of it. He has cited 5v5 play and maybe he'll address it to where we could argue about the financial sense in three years, but at least Igor won't be enabling us just with his presence. And surely the young roster maturing will give us sounder fundamentals as well.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Would be very surprised if the Rangers trade Laf, Miller, or Schneider at this point. They are fixtures. The guys on the table IMO are Kakko, Chytil, Jones and Lundkvist. Othmann just had a hell of a junior season but is still multiple years away from the NHL, so not sure how much value he has in a trade. They may also want to hang on to him for the second window.

Othmann would have a great deal of trade value. He was a mid first round pick last year that just had an absolutely fantastic season in juniors. I do not want to see him traded. Chytil+Lundkvist+2nd round pick is more than enough to give up for PLD.

 

[CLW]

If they acquire Dubois, is he taking Strome's PP spot?

If he is relegated to PP2 have to think he will immediately become "overpaid" similar to Trouba whose deal looks much worse now that he is playing 50 seconds less / game than he did he last season in Winnipeg on the PP when he had 18 PP points.

If he is taking Strome's spot, does that mean Lafreniere again will get very little PP time and be Kakko'd a year from now for "not performing"?

If you are Gallant do you really give a shit? Gallant has 2 years to win the cup before he's canned for the next guy. That's life as a coach, especially if management trades for PLD which is the same as go all in NOW.

 

[NYR Viper]

If they trade for Dubois, the team is set down the middle for the next 4-5 years. They have the winger and d-men already assuming they hang on to Schneider. It’s intriguing for sure if he will sign long term. Getting Dubois under contract from 24-31 or 32 would be huge

 

[irishlaxburger2]

If they trade for Dubois, the team is set down the middle for the next 4-5 years. They have the winger and d-men already assuming they hang on to Schneider. It’s intriguing for sure if he will sign long term. Getting Dubois under contract from 24-31 or 32 would be huge

It certainly makes building out the rest of the roster quite a bit easier.

Even if Chytil departs in that trade, finding a solid 3C is a helluva lot easier than a legitimate 2C. The Lightning acquired Nick Paul at the deadline for Mathieu Joseph and a 4th. Finding assets to find a 3C is fairly easy to do, especially at the deadline (if they wait until then and let Goodrow handle the duties for now).

 

[Synergy27]

There is a lot of recency bias with Chytil. I love the kid and was so happy to see him break out but if he can be packaged for PLD then you take it. Not concerned at all about the motivation problem. He will be playing in New York. Columbus and Winnipeg combined are literally smaller population wise than three of our boroughs.

I am, however, very against moving Kakko. He has immense potential. Just hasn't put it together. Bridge him for cheap and see him prove himself.

I don’t really want to trade either one of them, but I fail to see why we’d prioritize keeping KK over Chytil. You’d be gambling completely on age and draft position.

Chytil has shown much more since day one and has played center even if we think he’d ideally shift to the wing.

This fan base consistently underrates Chytil.

 

[bleedblue94]

I know he has had some ups and downs but what is KK or Chytil doing to match him even with his downs?

Bc those two guys are multiple years younger and making probably 1/3rd what pld is going to make on his next contract. For those reasons I don't feel they are comparable.

If pld was making 3.5mil then I can buy the comparison but if a guy is making 6.5-7mil he shouldn't even be in the same sentence as chytil and kakko right now

 

[Machinehead]

The big cap rise isn't coming.Covid is just the latest excuse.

From 2005-06 through 11-12, the cap rose 64% in 7 seasons.

Since then, it's gone up 28% in 11 seasons, counting next year.

What happened in 2013? A new CBA where the players got absolutely crucified. If they didn't, another season was lost. That was the CBA the revenue split was introduced and there was a non-by-law real cap on wages.

This isn't because of a virus, it's by design.

The cap will continue to crawl for the duration of this CBA, which is at least through 2025-26. And there's no reason to believe revenue split will change in the next one if we ever want to watch the NHL again.

This is the pace the cap is rising at for...ever? I know there's a new TV deal but they had a new TV deal in 2012. The cap still hit a wall right around the time that deal was signed. This is just the pace it rises at in a revenue-split league.

 

[RangerBoy]

If they trade for Dubois, the team is set down the middle for the next 4-5 years. They have the winger and d-men already assuming they hang on to Schneider. It’s intriguing for sure if he will sign long term. Getting Dubois under contract from 24-31 or 32 would be huge

Not if Dubois is signing a two year contract and exploring free agency in 2024.

 

[bleedblue94]

If it happens I'm thinking chytil, Nils, nemeth, and a 2nd with the same condition as the copp trade.

 

[Lays]

I still don’t love the idea of PLD. He really doesn’t produce well on his own and he’s not very good defensively either. He can play physically but he’s not some monster like Wilson or Trouba. I’d much rather sign Copp because 1. He won’t cost us anymore assets 2. He’ll be significantly cheaper. Guarantee Dubois and Copp would produce almost the same with Panarin. Dubois and Panarin didn’t even have chemistry in Columbus. They just happened to play together because Panarin was their best winger and Dubois was their best center

Does anyone know how legit we are about Dubois? It seems like we’re the heavy favorites for every single player that becomes available at this point it feels like other teams are using us to prop up value and get other teams more interested.

We heard absolutely nothing on Copp, Vatrano, Braun, and Motte. Not a peep. But for every high center that’s available for whatever reason everyone has all the details of players offered and players deemed untouchable and so on. Just seems weird

 

[bleedblue94]

Not if Dubois is signing a two year contract and exploring free agency in 2024.

Exactly, and if he's signing long term he's going to want market value. This kid wants to get treated with the star status he hasn't earned yet.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

If you get Dubois with trading Chytil I wouldn't say our depth is better. Your one Dubois or Mika injury away from having an Erik Christiansen type in the top 6 again.

And even without an injury Goodrow isn't the ideal 3C.

It's a slippery slope. Looks great on paper until injuries. Hope Drury can find a way and keep Chytil.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Mollie Walker is reporting that the Rangers and Motte are expected to reach an agreement. Does she have any legitimate sources?

 

[irishlaxburger2]

I still don’t love the idea of PLD. He really doesn’t produce well on his own and he’s not very good defensively either. He can play physically but he’s not some monster like Wilson or Trouba. I’d much rather sign Copp because 1. He won’t cost us anymore assets 2. He’ll be significantly cheaper. Guarantee Dubois and Copp would produce almost the same with Panarin. Dubois and Panarin didn’t even have chemistry in Columbus. They just happened to play together because Panarin was their best winger and Dubois was their best center

Does anyone know how legit we are about Dubois? It seems like we’re the heavy favorites for every single player that becomes available at this point it feels like other teams are using us to prop up value and get other teams more interested.

We heard absolutely nothing on Copp, Vatrano, Braun, and Motte. Not a peep. But for every high center that’s available for whatever reason everyone has all the details of players offered and players deemed untouchable and so on. Just seems weird

It's been reported by multiple parties today that the Rangers plan on re-signing Motte.

I have absolutely no idea how that works with what could also be happening at 2C, but that's the "news".

 

[Lone Ranger]

If we trade for PLD, and Chytil is part of the package, I'd love to see Kravtsov given a shot at 3c. we could play Goodrow, Motte and Blais as a killer 4th line with PK duties, and have Kravy center the kid line.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

If you get Dubois with trading Chytil I wouldn't say our depth is better. Your one Dubois or Mika injury away from having an Erik Christiansen type in the top 6 again.

And even without an injury Goodrow isn't the ideal 3C.

It's a slippery slope. Looks great on paper until injuries. Hope Drury can find a way and keep Chytil.

As long as that Erik Christiansen type can score on 85% of his shootout attempts, we'll be fine!!

 

[Kocur26]

Mollie Walker is reporting that the Rangers and Motte are expected to reach an agreement. Does she have any legitimate sources?

Awesome!

Yes her source is LB

 

[RGY]

If you get Dubois with trading Chytil I wouldn't say our depth is better. Your one Dubois or Mika injury away from having an Erik Christiansen type in the top 6 again.

And even without an injury Goodrow isn't the ideal 3C.

It's a slippery slope. Looks great on paper until injuries. Hope Drury can find a way and keep Chytil.

Goodrow is a more than suitable 3C if it came down to it.

But like many contending teams, they are an attraction, and those teams always seem to find the inexpensive veteran depth for the bottom 6 to fill out the roster.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers are keeping Motte. That will cost at least $2M per. Term is very important. At least 4-5 years.

 

[Synergy27]

If you get Dubois with trading Chytil I wouldn't say our depth is better. Your one Dubois or Mika injury away from having an Erik Christiansen type in the top 6 again.

And even without an injury Goodrow isn't the ideal 3C.

It's a slippery slope. Looks great on paper until injuries. Hope Drury can find a way and keep Chytil.

Again, not advocating this, but that’s another reason to trade Kakko instead.

 

[rangers1314]

Rangers should steer clear of Pierre-Luc Dubois trade that costs them Filip Chytil

 

[Machinehead]

Pierre-Luc Dubois is way too much work and PLD has no ring to it.

I'm just going to call him Jeremy.

 

[chosen]

I don’t really want to trade either one of them, but I fail to see why we’d prioritize keeping KK over Chytil. You’d be gambling completely on age and draft position.

Chytil has shown much more since day one and has played center even if we think he’d ideally shift to the wing.

This fan base consistently underrates Chytil.

How high should a 23 point player per season be rated?

 

[irishlaxburger2]

The bigger concern, in my opinion, with acquiring a new 3C is ensuring our scouting department nails it and picks the right one. The assets needed to acquire that player should be fairly easy to drum up. It's taking a shot at a guy and them busting that gives me pause. We've had a fairly inconsistent past with investing in poor depth players. And depending on timing/term, we may only have 1 chance at getting it right.