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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

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KreiderBomb said:
Nobody ever got worse from playing junior hockey, and it delays his big pay day, there is no rush. People all say he's already dominated there, so? Dominate again and maybe win the mem cup next year.
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Nobody gets better from playing against lesser competition either though. And the more you play with guys you can dominate the more you learn bad habits.
 
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Goodrows value is versatility and that is best setup when he is on the 4th line able to slot up for whatever injury comes. If we now rely on him to be the 3C we lose that versatility.

If chytil goes out than a guy like calle jarnkrok becomes an attractive add. Stastny again may become super attractive IF he is willing to take less. Where he's at in his career he won't be breaking the bank. Going to be 37 this winter.
 
Gordon Bombay said:
If you get Dubois with trading Chytil I wouldn't say our depth is better. Your one Dubois or Mika injury away from having an Erik Christiansen type in the top 6 again.

And even without an injury Goodrow isn't the ideal 3C.

It's a slippery slope. Looks great on paper until injuries. Hope Drury can find a way and keep Chytil.
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Dubois and Mika is more depth than Chytil and Mika, If anyone worthwhile gets hurt, depth suffers.
 
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bleedblue94 said:
Bc those two guys are multiple years younger and making probably 1/3rd what pld is going to make on his next contract. For those reasons I don't feel they are comparable.

If pld was making 3.5mil then I can buy the comparison but if a guy is making 6.5-7mil he shouldn't even be in the same sentence as chytil and kakko right now
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Chytil has played 5 seasons. That is 1 less than PLD. Neither Chytil nor KK have come close to even PLD's rookie season. If Chytil and or KK put up another 5-10 goal 25-35 point season their value will be very low. If PLD gets 6.5 it is because that is what the market values him at. Is our goal to have the most average or below players at 4 mill or to win the cup?
 
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Gordon Bombay said:
If you get Dubois with trading Chytil I wouldn't say our depth is better. Your one Dubois or Mika injury away from having an Erik Christiansen type in the top 6 again.

And even without an injury Goodrow isn't the ideal 3C.

It's a slippery slope. Looks great on paper until injuries. Hope Drury can find a way and keep Chytil.
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We would be trading a 3c for a 2c. How does that hurt our center depth?
 
“Can I just say that trading Filip Chytil to the Jets as part of a package for Pierre-Luc Dubois would be about the most Rangers thing the organization could do at this moment in time
that is not meant as a compliment”
LB

Rub that on your chests like Vicks and clear your brains people.
 
RGY said:
I agree with LB.

And I do not say that often.

I say stay the course. Trade Nemeth and Georgiev. Sign Copp, Motte, and another quality 4th liner. Try to keep Braun. Even if it means keeping Jones down for the first month or so until cap space accrues.

Then at the deadline, then consider the big splash to go all in for another run. Say Patty Kane.

But stay the course for now
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Agree except for signing Copp.
 
NickyFotiu said:
Chytil has played 5 seasons. That is 1 less than PLD. Neither Chytil nor KK have come close to even PLD's rookie season. If Chytil and or KK put up another 5-10 goal 25-35 point season their value will be very low. If PLD gets 6.5 it is because that is what the market values him at. Is our goal to have the most average or below players at 4 mill or to win the cup?
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I don't invest 6.5mil+ to an unleveled player who needs to be motivated and babied, and has skipped out on two organizations and would be a ufa in two years. If you want him beyond the two years you're paying him north of 7mil
 
Alright, Brooks swayed me. I'd rather not move Chytil in a trade for PLD.

That said, I have no problem moving Kakko. As much as I believe the kid is going to break out and be a perennial two-way 60 point player, I have zero confidence in our organization and coach to handle that situation gracefully. If it hasn't happened already, the kid might be one more scratch or 4th line demotion away from either demanding a trade or losing any/all confidence and tanking his trade value. I truly fear he's just not a fit in this organization anymore, regardless of the quotes given at break-up day.
 
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bleedblue94 said:
I don't invest 6.5mil+ to an unleveled player who needs to be motivated and babied, and has skipped out on two organizations and would be a ufa in two years. If you want him beyond the two years you're paying him north of 7mil
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That is fine but we better improve that top 6 somehow if people want to actually win a cup. I hope this is not another situation where some posters on this board swore we would be better off keeping the less expensive Stepan than trying to sign Stamkos as a UFA 6 years ago.
 
Machinehead said:
The big cap rise isn't coming.Covid is just the latest excuse.

From 2005-06 through 11-12, the cap rose 64% in 7 seasons.

Since then, it's gone up 28% in 11 seasons, counting next year.

What happened in 2013? A new CBA where the players got absolutely crucified. If they didn't, another season was lost. That was the CBA the revenue split was introduced and there was a non-by-law real cap on wages.

This isn't because of a virus, it's by design.

The cap will continue to crawl for the duration of this CBA, which is at least through 2025-26. And there's no reason to believe revenue split will change in the next one if we ever want to watch the NHL again.

This is the pace the cap is rising at for...ever? I know there's a new TV deal but they had a new TV deal in 2012. The cap still hit a wall right around the time that deal was signed. This is just the pace it rises at in a revenue-split league.
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The cap will shoot up once the players pay back their part. The NHL revenue report for this year shows that had the players not owed any money to the owners, they should've seen a 12-14m jump in cap.
By 2024-25 there should be a new NHL tv deal in place for canada as well which should increase revenue there.
The NHL playoffs saw a huge influx of new viewers and a high volume of younger generation fans. Those are huge demographics that show long term potential growth.
 
IDvsEGO said:
Nobody gets better from playing against lesser competition either though. And the more you play with guys you can dominate the more you learn bad habits.
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Or maybe you learn what it takes to win s championship and you bring that with you when you are ready
 
NickyFotiu said:
That is fine but we better improve that top 6 somehow if people want to actually win a cup. I hope this is not another situation where some posters on this board swore we would be better off keeping the less expensive Stepan than trying to sign Stamkos as a UFA 6 years ago.
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There still can be quite a bit of ceiling left between the kid line of Laf chytil and kakko.
That could certainly factor into our top 6 being much much better
 
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nyr2k2 said:
Unfortunately, he can't do a half-season in the AHL. He's either going to have to make it in NY or go back to Flint. Damn that Jan 5 birthday, LOL.
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I keep forgetting he isn't AHL-eligible next year.

He should get a 9-game cup of coffee and see if he sticks (as long as his camp is as good as it should be).
 
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HatTrick Swayze said:
If they acquire Dubois, is he taking Strome's PP spot?

If he is relegated to PP2 have to think he will immediately become "overpaid" similar to Trouba whose deal looks much worse now that he is playing 50 seconds less / game than he did he last season in Winnipeg on the PP when he had 18 PP points.

If he is taking Strome's spot, does that mean Lafreniere again will get very little PP time and be Kakko'd a year from now for "not performing"?
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As far as Laf, unless he is going to play on the right wall on PP1 I'd almost prefer he play on PP2. I think he'd be wasted as a LH shot in the bumper with the personnel the Rangers have.
 
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irishlaxburger2 said:
Alright, Brooks swayed me. I'd rather not move Chytil in a trade for PLD.

That said, I have no problem moving Kakko. As much as I believe the kid is going to break out and be a perennial two-way 60 point player, I have zero confidence in our organization and coach to handle that situation gracefully. If it hasn't happened already, the kid might be one more scratch or 4th line demotion away from either demanding a trade or losing any/all confidence and tanking his trade value. I truly fear he's just not a fit in this organization anymore, regardless of the quotes given at break-up day.
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Brooks is a puppet of the organization, if he's talking a trade the reason is that they are trying to get Strome or Copp to sign for less
 
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NickyFotiu said:
That is fine but we better improve that top 6 somehow if people want to actually win a cup. I hope this is not another situation where some posters on this board swore we would be better off keeping the less expensive Stepan than trying to sign Stamkos as a UFA 6 years ago.
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I have no issues improving or trading away assets, but I just don't love trading the best pieces we have for a player we can't really afford, who will make big buck, and can leave in two years unless we pay him handsomely.
 
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