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haohmaru said:
Uh, Fox? He's kinda important. Kakko? Panarin?



Jones has proven exactly what he's apparently looked at as: a borderline NHL player still figuring things out.

Would I like to see him there for the first 20 games to see how it goes? Absolutely. But, as GM or Coach of the NYR with aspirations to make a Cup Final, I'm not sure you've got that many games to spare to see how he works out as a 5/6 with Schneider. That's an awfully young pair on the back end.

If it were me, sure I'd give it a whirl. I understand the opposite position as well, however, of having a reliable 5/6 back there focused on defending.
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He needs to get some games in, not many young players jump in with both feet moving. The skill is there, the awareness is there, the iq is there. He just needs game situations to get comfortable and it will all straighten itself out for him. Most of the weaker plays i have seen from him this camp were out of panic, he just needs to get comfortable with the speed of things and lose the pressure of trying make the safe play to make the team and get back to his normal game.
 
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mas0764 said:
Didn't make any sense that they ran Lundkvist off because of it either but here we are.

The new administration, actually ever since JD was brought in, has completely repudiated skill hockey and is trying to get back to the 90s where size ruled. They are operating in the wrong era.
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Lundkvist was given way more than Jones.

Difference being Jones has looked good in his limited action. All we can ask for is the same 25 games for Jones. He'd earn and hold the spot then.
 
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EdJovanovski said:
None of those players were acquired by the current regime
Panarin & Fox forced their way here , and we lucked into both Laf & Kakko, who are both putting up some of the worst numbers in NHL history for their draft position
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I see we are back to the pissy blame game mode now that Kravstov has been exposed for the 3rd time in his short lived career
 
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bleedblue94 said:
And I think that they would be wrong, it is amazing how elite goaltending can cover up average play
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Yeah, I was more referring to how that Straka-Nyls-JJ-Malik-Roz unit played an extreme amount with the puck. Which is why MM’s +\- were great. Remember that was an extreme puck possession line, while most of the league still was playing dead puck hockey.

I don’t think you can get like Corsi from that time, but that line is easily top 3 in the league despite not putting a ton of rubber on the ice.

Nobody back then gave Malik any cred for all the things he actually did do well. He didn’t just throw the puck away, he made good break out passes, and of course some gaffs. But all fans wanted was ‘you are big, kill someone’. That have changed so much, now it can almost be the opposite.
 
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mas0764 said:
Maybe they had him focus on the wrong things, maybe they instructed him in a technique that didn't work for him, etc, etc. I mean, we absolutely know that Quinn overemphasized things that were detrimental to offensive development.

I am not disagreeing that at some point players are, in fact, mostly finished products, but at age 18 or 19 that is not the time. Those players are still in very moldable formative years for the most part and need good coaching.

You can't just turn 'em loose and say figure it out, you are a professional now.

Come to think of it that may be the Rangers big problem, if apparently so many of their fans think that's the way to handle a kid.



Gustav Rhydal does.
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Yeah, I’m not saying that couldn’t be the case, but lack of guidance isn’t “permanent damage;” at worst it delays development and then good guidance takes over. At this point the reason he is being waived isn’t the lack of guidance he got traded away from 2 years ago. I’m not saying NYR did a good job with him, I’m saying at this point the fault he’s been waived is his.
 
mas0764 said:
Maybe they had him focus on the wrong things, maybe they instructed him in a technique that didn't work for him, etc, etc. I mean, we absolutely know that Quinn overemphasized things that were detrimental to offensive development.

I am not disagreeing that at some point players are, in fact, mostly finished products, but at age 18 or 19 that is not the time. Those players are still in very moldable formative years for the most part and need good coaching.

You can't just turn 'em loose and say figure it out, you are a professional now.

Come to think of it that may be the Rangers big problem, if apparently so many of their fans think that's the way to handle a kid.



Gustav Rhydal does.
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Rydahl should never have been sent down. Carpenter sucks
 
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The third pairing is a tricky situation but I don't think Drury can do much about it at this point. I definitely see them doing something by the trade deadline at 6d. The third paring could be just fine as well so better to just wait it out and find out.
 
tomobson said:
The third pairing is a tricky situation but I don't think Drury can do much about it at this point. I definitely see them doing something by the trade deadline at 6d. The third paring could be just fine as well so better to just wait it out and find out.
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If they need t do something at the deadline then Jones has been a huge flop. I tend to think they find a 7 D to protect from injury. Jones should be well settled in by the deadline.
 
With the balance of this group I thought it was a no-brainer to bring in a vet 7D to block some shots and just worry about defending, but I was almost excited about the Jarred Tinordi signing before I had to watch him play for us
 
Mac n Gs said:
There's absolutely zero reason for Zac Jones to be in Hartford. He should've won the spot out of camp last year over Nils, vastly outplayed him in Hartford all last season, and now again has vastly outplayed Bartowski and Hajek at LD. Just give the kid the f***ing spot. He's earned it.
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He short boi tho
 
Jones and Miller have been the 2 best D by far in the preseason. if Jones doesn't make the team it's a f***ing joke.

I think the rest of the roster should be pretty easy. Carpenter, Tinordi, Bartkowski and Hajek cut/sent down and then try to get Joseph or Valimaki or someone else off of waivers to be the 7th D because everyone else we have sucks hard.
 
Something has got to give with Laf. They may not be saying it, because you always say the right things to the media (ie: I'll play whatever position I'm asked), but just seems like Laf is not comfortable playing right.

No other reason for him to not be with Panarin-Trocheck since Kravtsov failed to step up and Kakko seems primed to start with Kreider-Zibanejad.

Unless the Rangers are saving that spot for a deadline addition.
 
Give Jones some time at 3LD. See what you have. Can be addressed at a later date.

Same mentality should be had for Laf with Panarin line and Kakko with Zibanejad first couple games. Give it a shot, can't knock it till you try it. You know what you have in a 3rd line being the Kid Line to fall back on if it doesn't work.

Savant said:
Jordan Martinook is a very interesting name on waivers for bottom six. Amazing locker room guy and brings a ton of jam.

If they need a 6LHD it’s Soucy for me. Like Maatta there too but doubt he is available until the deadline.
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I like Martinook alot but we don't have the cap space to make it happen
 
kinger8998 said:
Something has got to give with Laf. They may not be saying it, because you always say the right things to the media (ie: I'll play whatever position I'm asked), but just seems like Laf is not comfortable playing right.

No other reason for him to not be with Panarin-Trocheck since Kravtsov failed to step up and Kakko seems primed to start with Kreider-Zibanejad.

Unless the Rangers are saving that spot for a deadline addition.
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Again, how will he get comfortable at it if he doesn’t try it in practice and games for a long period of time? I’m not surprised in the least that he wouldn’t be comfortable if he plays one game there and then they switch him back. He needs reps and practice there.
 
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Ola said:
Yeah, I was more referring to how that Straka-Nyls-JJ-Malik-Roz unit played an extreme amount with the puck. Which is why MM’s +\- were great. Remember that was an extreme puck possession line, while most of the league still was playing dead puck hockey.

I don’t think you can get like Corsi from that time, but that line is easily top 3 in the league despite not putting a ton of rubber on the ice.

Nobody back then gave Malik any cred for all the things he actually did do well. He didn’t just throw the puck away, he made good break out passes, and of course some gaffs. But all fans wanted was ‘you are big, kill someone’. That have changed so much, now it can almost be the opposite.
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Malik was serviceable as a second pair guy but he wasn't a great 5v5 guy. His prime years were before cf and such was really tracked but even in his last nyr season when he was a plus 7 with a cf of 47.1. I just don't care for plus minus at all as a stat. Didn't care at all about him not using his size, some smaller guys are wrecking balls and some bigger guys just utilize the size and reach. I just don't think he was ever a player that was a great 5v5 player regardless of his plus minus. That's where this started, with someone saying panarin isn't bad 5v5 bc he is a plus player. If you have eyes you know panarin has not been good 5v5 at all the last year.

Savant said:
Jordan Martinook is a very interesting name on waivers for bottom six. Amazing locker room guy and brings a ton of jam.

If they need a 6LHD it’s Soucy for me. Like Maatta there too but doubt he is available until the deadline.
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When I saw martiniook going on waivers I was very interested but how the hell can they sneak that 1.8 hit in right now?
 
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kinger8998 said:
Something has got to give with Laf. They may not be saying it, because you always say the right things to the media (ie: I'll play whatever position I'm asked), but just seems like Laf is not comfortable playing right.

No other reason for him to not be with Panarin-Trocheck since Kravtsov failed to step up and Kakko seems primed to start with Kreider-Zibanejad.

Unless the Rangers are saving that spot for a deadline addition.
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Isn’t the deadline like in March , why would they “save it”
 
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