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Jones should make this team, if you get close to the deadline and you want and upgrade do it, but play Jones all year and get him used to it for playoffs whether he's playing or replacing an injured player.
 
I don’t get the hesitancy with some players.

Why do they not trust Jones? Because he’s not 6’3 220? He’s been great. Makes no sense
Yeah same….he moves the puck better than some of our forwards and has made some good defensive plays this preseason
 
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Jones should make this team, if you get close to the deadline and you want and upgrade do it, but play Jones all year and get him used to it for playoffs whether he's playing or replacing an injured player.
They have to write about something with a nearly set roster and he's the 6th D. Way too many calories spent on this.
 
According to Pronmon there are several LHD that will be available on the wire

Mahura - ANA
Mackey - CGY
Valimaki - CGY
Olivier-Joseph - PIT
Alexeyev (inj) - WSH

He also says Lias Andersson will go through waivers

I doubt they will waive Hajek just to take a flyer on someone. He will be the 7th with Jones to start off the year.
Pronman's Jamaican cousin? :sarcasm:
 
Where is this discussion about Jones coming from? All I saw was Staple speculating that the Rangers could target a 6D on waivers, etc. But is that speculation based on anything?
 
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TARRYTOWN - What often gets lost in fans' understandable desire for results is the human element in sports.

This can be especially true in hockey, where players from all over the globe end up in foreign North American cities before they're legally old enough to drink there. The language is new, as is the culture, and they're far from home with no familiar faces around for support. All the while, they're trying to adjust to the best league in the world and justify their prospect status.

The pressure can be consuming and the nights can be lonely.

That was certainly the case for Vitali Kravtsov during his previous stints with the New York Rangers.

"The last three years, I used to go home after practice and be alone," he told lohud.com, part of the USA TODAY Network, following Friday's practice at the MSG Training Center. "It’s different this year."

The yearning to perform well and nerves that come with it still exist, but the way in which the Russian forward handles those emotions seems to have changed.
It's helped that Kravtsov has made a concerted effort to spend time with teammates, with dinners out and other social activities a much more frequent occurrence. He used to be hesitant to seek those kind of interactions, in part because of the language barrier, but his English has improved, as has his confidence to put himself out there.

"Even if they don’t call me, I’ll call them," he said with a laugh.

Achieving better work-life balance is important for a talented 22-year-old who's still trying to prove he belongs.

He's expressed his desire to put past drama behind him − "I definitely made a lot of noise previously," he said last month − and displayed his commitment by showing up in New York more than two months before training camp began. But that maturity has been tested the last few days.

After spending the first two weeks of camp working mostly on the second line, Kravtsov skated on the fifth line − aka the forwards on the roster bubble − the past two practices. His performance in the preseason has been timid and shaky, particularly in Wednesday's 5-4 loss to the Boston Bruins, which has caused head coach Gerard Gallant to explore other options for the coveted right-wing spot on Artemi Panarin's line.

"Last game wasn't great, (but) a lot of guys’ last game wasn't great," Gallant said. "He's still got to battle. He's still got to make the team. Nothing's really changed. He's done okay in some games, and the last game, not many guys played well."

The coach said Kravtsov will remain off the second line for Saturday's 7 p.m. preseason finale on the road against the Islanders. In fact, he didn't confirm if he'll be in the lineup at all.

"He’s had a couple of looks there, and we’re going to put somebody else there tomorrow," Gallant said. "He might be on another line."

In the not-so-distant past, the disappointment from that kind of demotion might have unnerved the No. 9 overall pick from the 2018 NHL Draft. But as he sat at his locker Friday, he seemed to be taking it all in stride.

"Every day is a new day," he said. "If I’m not on that line, I don’t have to be mad at somebody. I know I didn’t play well, but I’m trying to be better. I think everybody sees that. That’s life. Sometimes you go through changes, and I just have to do what I can do – focus on what I can control."

Kravtsov was fair in his self-evaluation, specifically noting that "I feel like I have to be stronger" in puck battles and other physical situations. He also mentioned readjusting to the NHL's "game speed" as "the toughest part" after a broken foot limited him to only 19 regular-season games in Russia's KHL last season (plus another 15 in the playoffs).

"I expect myself to be better," he said. "My body feels good, but I still feel like I have a lot of work to do."

At times, it's looked as if the 6-foot-3, 186-pounder is playing tight, leery of making a mistake after failing to make the team out of camp last season. But he's adamant that his resolve won't wane this time around.

"I’m never going to say, ‘(Forget) that,’ or anything like that," Kravtsov said. "It can be hard for me, but everybody goes through that. I have to go through that, too."

It's helped to lean on teammates, with Panarin emerging as a key voice who has been in his ear.

"(Panarin) asked me to delete all my social media," he said with a smile. "He always tells me that."

Kravtsov hasn't gone that far, but he's cut back to only occasional peeks at Instagram.

It's all part of the learning process for a prospect who's still trying to find his way and live up to his potential − a journey that's rarely linear, even if many expect it to be.

"When your head is clear, you’re going to be much better on the ice," he said. "I’m trying to be better with that. I had three years when I didn’t show that. This time, I’m trying to prepare for the next step and never give up on anything. I focus on waking up and working hard. That’s all I can do in this situation."

Lineup and injury updates

While Kravtsov skated with extra forwards Dryden Hunt and Julien Gauthier, the top-four lines closely resembled what we may see for Tuesday's regular-season opener.

Kaapo Kakko continued to skate on the top line with Chris Kreider and Mika Zibanejad. He's been the best right-winger in camp, having posted two goals and an assist in three preseason games, and looks like a solid bet to secure that spot.

Replacing Kravtsov at RW on the second line was Jimmy Vesey. At this point, it would be a surprise if the Rangers don't offer the 29-year-old a contract.

That left a third line of Alexis Lafrenière, Filip Chytil and Barclay Goodrow, with Sammy Blais, Ryan Carpenter and Ryan Reaves skating on the fourth.

On defense, Jacob Trouba returned after missing one practice with an upper-body ailment, but Ryan Lindgren remained out with a lower-body injury. The latter won't play Saturday, but he skated on his own Friday and the Rangers fully expect him in the lineup for opening night.

"He’ll be ready to go," Gallant said.

As for the goalies, Gallant said he thinks Igor Shesterkin will start Saturday. He missed Wednesday's game due to a stomach issue but has practiced each of the last two days.

 
What, like they permanently damaged his skating somehow? Because that’s the biggest issue, that and apparently being mentally not very tough, in which case sure he may have been gun shy after leaving here, but all the confidence in the world dpesnt make him an NHL skater. And maybe that’s something the scouts should have picked up on.

Maybe they had him focus on the wrong things, maybe they instructed him in a technique that didn't work for him, etc, etc. I mean, we absolutely know that Quinn overemphasized things that were detrimental to offensive development.

I am not disagreeing that at some point players are, in fact, mostly finished products, but at age 18 or 19 that is not the time. Those players are still in very moldable formative years for the most part and need good coaching.

You can't just turn 'em loose and say figure it out, you are a professional now.

Come to think of it that may be the Rangers big problem, if apparently so many of their fans think that's the way to handle a kid.

I would rather have Brett Howden over Carpenter. yea I said it. I miss the days when Dom Moore was our 4th line center. Does that Bryce McConnell-Barker have Dom Moore upside or Derek Stepan upside?

Gustav Rhydal does.
 
I don’t get the hesitancy with some players.

Why do they not trust Jones? Because he’s not 6’3 220? He’s been great. Makes no sense

Didn't make any sense that they ran Lundkvist off because of it either but here we are.

The new administration, actually ever since JD was brought in, has completely repudiated skill hockey and is trying to get back to the 90s where size ruled. They are operating in the wrong era.
 

"The last three years, I used to go home after practice and be alone," he told lohud.com, part of the USA TODAY Network, following Friday's practice at the MSG Training Center. "It’s different this year."

This is a familiar refrain we are hearing again and again and again and the Rangers are failing on this front. There's no other way to say it.

They should be organizing these kids day to day schedules like they are 16. Because they basically still are.

Handlers should be putting together after-practice film study, then dinner out, then a trip to the bowling alley or some shit. Video game NHL 2022 tournament in the players lounge. Going out to see a movie. Even the elder statesmen on this team are like 26, they aren't all married with kids and after hours obligations. Coworker networking should be part of the job description.

5 days out of the week at least they should have assignments with handlers following up on them, until bedtime. It should be like training camp all year for these kids.

What is this team doing? You are letting a prized asset go home and lose focus or lose his way or feel depressed? They should have a specially assigned developmental coach following up with every one of these un-plugged in new players no less often than once every twenty four hours to get them doing something social and active so they remained focused.

Frankly, the NY Rangers should own some sort of compound or apartment block that they can offer to all their new players to stay in and be around other players.

I volunteer for the job, hire me, for $200k a year I will manage all this shit from top to bottom.
 
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"The last three years, I used to go home after practice and be alone," he told lohud.com, part of the USA TODAY Network, following Friday's practice at the MSG Training Center. "It’s different this year."

This is a familiar refrain we are hearing again and again and again and the Rangers are failing on this front. There's no other way to say it.

They should be organizing these kids day to day schedules like they are 16. Because they basically still are.

Handlers should be putting together after-practice film study, then dinner out, then a trip to the bowling alley or some shit.

5 days out of the week at least they should have assignments with handlers following up on them, until bedtime. It should be like training camp all year for these kids.
It's amazing how much success we had last year in spite of the incompetence of this organization from the top down
 
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It's amazing how much success we had last year in spite of the incompetence of this organization from the top down

Fox, LaFreniere, Chytil, Panarin, Zibanejad, Miller, Kakko, etc... all the epitome of skill-repudiating 90's players. Uh, no.

Didn't make any sense that they ran Lundkvist off because of it either but here we are.

Lundkvist didn't earn a spot and couldn't beat out the players that he needed to to get into the lineup. The only one running away was HIM because he saw that the two players in front of him were likely going to be in front of him for a VERY long time.

Let's see what he does in Dallas.
 
Fox, LaFreniere, Chytil, Panarin, Zibanejad, Miller, Kakko, etc... all the epitome of skill-repudiating 90's players. Uh, no.
None of those players were acquired by the current regime
Panarin & Fox forced their way here , and we lucked into both Laf & Kakko, who are both putting up some of the worst numbers in NHL history for their draft position
 
Lundkvist didn't earn a spot and couldn't beat out the players that he needed to to get into the lineup. The only one running away was HIM because he saw that the two players in front of him were likely going to be in front of him for a VERY long time.

Let's see what he does in Dallas.

I was being tongue in cheek to an extent, but it is absolutely the case that player profile played just as big a part of the evaluation as on-ice performance.

Their refusal to trust Jones would just be more evidence of it. Jones should be the 6th D and there is no good argument against it.
 
Fox, LaFreniere, Chytil, Panarin, Zibanejad, Miller, Kakko, etc... all the epitome of skill-repudiating 90's players. Uh, no.

How many of them were acquired after JD got here? Like 1? Lafreniere? And he was obvious.
 
So, Kravtsov seems to have matured some, learned some useful things, and identified some areas where he needs to improve (though frankly, greater strength and application thereof should have been a no-brainer for him long before this). That is good to see, and I'd be happy to root for hell like him as he gives his all to show he can dominate. In the AHL. Question Vince forgot to ask is, would he report?? Because that is where he belongs and where he needs to prove his worth right now.
 
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How many of them were acquired after JD got here? Like 1? Lafreniere? And he was obvious.

Uh, Fox? He's kinda important. Kakko? Panarin?

I was being tongue in cheek to an extent, but it is absolutely the case that player profile played just as big a part of the evaluation as on-ice performance.

Their refusal to trust Jones would just be more evidence of it. Jones should be the 6th D and there is no good argument against it.

Jones has proven exactly what he's apparently looked at as: a borderline NHL player still figuring things out.

Would I like to see him there for the first 20 games to see how it goes? Absolutely. But, as GM or Coach of the NYR with aspirations to make a Cup Final, I'm not sure you've got that many games to spare to see how he works out as a 5/6 with Schneider. That's an awfully young pair on the back end.

If it were me, sure I'd give it a whirl. I understand the opposite position as well, however, of having a reliable 5/6 back there focused on defending.
 
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