Speculation: Roster Building Thread: New Season Edition
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irishlaxburger2
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The irony of trading Barclay Goodrow for the playoffs would really be something else
TheBloodyNine
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Wanna bet he doesn't score 50 again this season?That's what everyone said before last year started, but I think the number was 30.
Oh, yeah, he led the team in even strength goals too. Way to leave that out.
If he's only doing one thing I hope it's packing a suitcase.
He also led the team in Power Play goals, and scored more on the power play than on even strength so that's not really a gotcha.
TominNC
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It is kinda. He's still their best scorer even without the special teams, so why move him down?
OTGHockey
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Gallant seems to be very comfortable with Goodrow, and Drury brought him in for his post season experience, and even gave him an A last year. I don't see Goodrow moving for another year or two at least, certainly would be surprised if he does so while Gallant's around.
The other thing to consider is that last year the bottom six was a problem in that it was providing little offense and was a defensive liability. Obviously Goodrow was part of that, and he's also overpaid, but I can't see them jettisoning Goodrow at this point.
If you're in win now mode, then the likeliest candidates to move are going to be the ones that haven't reached potential yet, and that means the following are the guys who have the most to offer in terms of cap space and being potentially replaced with a more valuable player:
Chytil - $2.3 (RFA in July)
Kakko - $2.1 (one more year after this)
Blais - $1.5 (UFA in July - so less value)
You could also perhaps add in...
Reaves - $1.75 (UFA in July)
Though again, I don't see him being moved at this point
If you figure that the Rangers might be able to get around to $4 to $4.5M of cap space max, and maybe more like $3M if you figure in short term injuries, then you're looking at perhaps somewhere between $5M and $6M to add player(s) at the deadline IF you add in a guy like Kakko or Chytil.
You could further increase that by giving up assets for teams to retain salary (maximum of 50%) or even have a third team involved to bring it down to 25%, but you'll be paying even more for that...but certainly something other teams have leveraged in the past.
haohmaru
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Bet that he'll repeat what all of three Rangers, besides him, have done in 96 years? Yeah, that sounds like a good bet.
The gotcha is the guy lead the team in both PP and EV goals and people are putting him on the third line. Wanna bet he scores more than Vesey or Kakko or even LaF or whoever else is being pencilled into his spot?
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Machinehead
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I don't believe in lines. Find three combos that work. 17, 17, and 17. That's 51. Your 4th line plays 9 minutes. Done and dusted.
TheBloodyNine
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But in your initial reply you alluded to the fact that he could do so, so now you are NOT confident of that? Which is it?
The point is not "HE'LL SCORE MORE THAN THEM!" it's "hey those other players will get opportunities that they wouldn't normally have and perhaps score more than they normally would, thus creating this thing called depth." He's absolutely not scoring 50 again, so if you are banking on that I have bad news for you. Putting him on a different line isn't going to change his scoring that much with the way he plays and gets his goals.
KirkAlbuquerque
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TominNC
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More like 15-15-15-9 and PP and PK time take up the rest, which means more minutes for Mika, Kreider, Panarin and Trocheck. It's not knocking the Kid like down to 11-12 minutes
Machinehead
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The Crypto Guy
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It is the most logical way to solve our cap conundrum and improve the team. We have capable 4th liners. He’s the heaviest capped and lowest value movable asset on the roster. I don’t think Drury wants to trade Goodrow, but would you not trade Goodrow + 1st to make room for Kane + a vet 6D? (I’m not saying Goodrow would go to Chicago, but he has a 16 team NTC for movement). It also solves the cap problems we’re going to have next season when Laf and Miller show out. Still can’t believe people and their 2.5M/3M predictions for those two, even on bridges. It would be a major disappointment if their upcoming seasons don’t lead to more.
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Goodrow has 4 years left on his contract after this one. Who's trading for him? He's not a negative contract, but teams almost never take on term at the deadline. Cap space is going to be tight next summer for a lot of teams.
If Drury needs to dump Goodrow, he'll be bought out.
I wonder which 16 teams he’s write off, but I imagine teams looking for leadership veteran presence on the 3rd line with cap space. Calgary, Nashville, Buffalo, Detroit, Seattle, and Anaheim are teams that might be interested.
haohmaru
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My initial reply said "Yeah, put the guy who scored 50+ on line THREE" - which does NOT say the above in any way, shape or form.
Separating him from Zibanejad and pairing him with Trochek will certainly impact that without question, not to mention who is filling those shoes on line 1? Give me another Ranger winger besides Panarin that's scored even 25+ goals in ONE season. I'll wait.
And, then explain to me how it's warranted that this Ranger, that has never scored 20+ goals in a season, is supplanting the guy that just led your team in PP and EV goals?
If he stumbles out of the gate and has a terrible start, sure. If not, there's no way he's not playing line 1 EV and line 1 PP to start the season. Anything else is just fantasizing about the what ifs that may be never cans.
PP, PK, pulled goalie, etc... Those ^ numbers don't work.
That being said, if the Kid Line ends up being a force then you roll with whatever lines are working best that night regardless of their line "#".
Machinehead
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Well, of course it's not 17-17-17 every night, but it shouldn't be hard to find relative balance over the course of a season.
More than anything else, I'd like to ice the best lineup regardless of whether or not so-and-so should have the indignity of being on the "third" line.
haohmaru
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See who has legs and reward them. I'm on board with that. Should be earned instead of being bequeathed.
Fitzy
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Late in the game Gallant is going to be giving Panarin and Zibanejad, our two best players (Pardon, best forwards) who are almost always on separate lines, more shifts than the third line when he can.
I think the avenue to more than 3rd line minutes for one of the kids is being promoted into the Vesey/Goodrow or Kravtsov slots late in games.
I think the avenue to more than 3rd line minutes for one of the kids is being promoted into the Vesey/Goodrow or Kravtsov slots late in games.
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But to get the best out of a player you may have to mix the lines up first. Instead of just barking at him to “earn it.”
Kocur Dill
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